Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Bull, Marg. Your one-liner response to me was to ask " are you exercising? " That is clearly an insulting, blame placing query. Everyone on this board is an adult and not a single person here is so stupid they haven't heard of " diet and exercise. " Your one-liner was then followed by two more posts by you, one of which was to the effect that " not following post-op instructions to the T should void the warranties, " etc. So don't come back at me with your phony-baloney claiming you were " just being supportive. " Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not supportive in the least. And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will probably have today. I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my mind. > , > firstly let me say I thought this was a support group and not an attack > group. I too am literate and have read the manuels on this surgery and > others. I also know that when u plateau if u boost your metabolism you will > again start loosing weight. I was not blaming you just offering up some > advice or asking the ? are u excercising. I did not know you were the only > person on board that could ask ?I am sorry for your sudden stop in weight > loss. But dont take the time to attack me find out what is going on. My > doctor told me from the get go that this was not a magic cure. He told me I > had to work at this just like any other diet or weight loss I have done > before. I know that in the first months you have the greatest weight loss and > if you can follow the instructions in the manuel u will have the greatest > weightloss. This is not placing blame on you, just the facts. I dont think i > said it was your fault. I also think that yes we do need to change our lifes, > because that is why we are all here if we are unwilling to do some sort of > excercise if just walking, the weight will creep back. And if your theorie is > correct then at least we will be healthier and that to me is paramount. I am > sorry for you that this weight loss has stopped at a unsatisfactory number, > But again get on the phone and call the doctor, find out what he can do for > you. I have met Dr. R and I think he is trying to help us. Also I have heard > of others who have needed revisions, to help them loose more weight, while I > was in clinic he said this is not an exact science, and sometimes he does > have to go back in and do a little more. I know how disappointed u r. I > would be also.But please dont attack people who are just here to help. hugs > marg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 I can not believe this, it seems that everytime I turn around there is something going on with , for those of you that haven't been on here that long there was another arguement a while back that caused people to leave the list, and here YOU go again. I think there is no sweeter person on here than Cathy Morrow this woman has done NOTHING but support everyone on here. If you are upset with what a person said why don't you email them privately, why do you make it known to the whole group. I can understand why you are upset I would be too if I were gaining instead but I feel that all remarks were meant to help not to hurt. I don't post much anyway but I still try to answer and help when needed. I am leaving this pre=op group and going elsewhere maybe there I won't have to listen to this CRAP anymore. I will be more than happy to be a contact and try to answer questions for all who are interested you can email me directly at Aprilsands@... >From: CMo6331945@... >Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com >To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com >Subject: Re: Re: FAILED SURGERY >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:38:48 EDT > >In a message dated 9/15/2000 9:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lindat@... writes: > ><< Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not > supportive in the least. > > And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by > responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will > probably have today. > > I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my > mind. > > >> > >, > Can you not see how utterly obnoxious you are being. Marg was just >trying >to help and you attack her because you don't like what she says. You owe >Marg >an apology. You have had your rant and in the process totally insulted a >few >of the people on this list. If you have a problem call Dr. R, don't take >out >your frustration and anger on the people on this list who actually care >about >you. You need to take a deep breath and think before you use that viper >tongue of yours on how you may be hurting other people who are just trying >to >show you they care. > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > BMI 42 >A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step > >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com >Please visit our web site at http://clos.net >Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > >and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : >http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > >To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: >MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 In a message dated 9/15/2000 1:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lindat@... writes: << I suggest you point your nose in somebody elses' business if you can't keep up with what is actually being said in the posts of the people to whose defense you have rushed. >> This is the last response I will make to this subject. If it makes you feel better to insult my intelligence then be my guest. Believe it or not, I do feel for you and what you're going thru, I was just trying to make you see that it's not right to attack someone when they are honestly just trying to be there for you. No one on here is trying to tell you what to do or how to do it. You are a very intelligent woman as everyone knows, you know all the stats, info etc. and yes you have the right to vent, that is what this site is for, but you were getting down right ugly in your comments to people and so I responded to you in the same demeanor that you were using on them, and yes you were nice to other respondents, but 1 bad apple can spoil the basket and the comments and pot shots you were taking at these people to me just wasn't right. I guess I decided to use this forum in the way that you felt you had a right to and I shouldn't have done that. I apologize to anyone I may have offended, I just think you need to think before you speak as to how you may actually hurt someone who in all honesty thought they were trying to help you not insult you. Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC BMI 42 A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Dear , 1.) Thank you so much for making me feel like an uneducated moron and a religious retard. 2.) Had I have know that my letter was going to go under a microscope to be graded by a nasty psycotic witch and then used to absolutedly humilate me - I would never had bothered. I'll have you know that I rarely post but I was so upset for you that I stopped in the middle of my business day to close the door and try and reach out. You are a total bitch and for my effort - I am now sitting in my office and crying - thanks a lot. You are not the only one having a rough time. 3.) I (obviously) do not have a college education nor do I have the time in my day to spend on critisizing every fucking word that someone writes. Maybe you are OVER-educated and incapable of reading between the lines (you know where the love and caring stuff was) But " I " DO have feelings - How kind of you to chew them up and spit them out publically - tell me; Do you " feel " any better? 4.) Not that I owe you an explanation- but my reference to " God " s Will " was purely ment to just make you smile- of course it's NOT God's will! 5.) " NEWSFLASH " - Your not the only fat person here! I have been shy enough about posting even though I have been reading the posts now for almost a month. 6.) I can tell you this - I will NEVER post publically again! Kind Regards Debby (In Arizona) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 , If you write to Dr. R. they way you just wrote to me it is no wonder he is not answering your emails. What's that smell? Oh, it's the bridge you just burned. Las Vegas, NV wrote: > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > No squishy sanctamonial bull - just wondering what Dr. R. says > > > about this. > > > > > Has this happened to anyone else? I would think your best > > > support > > > would come > > > > > from him. I know that this surgery can " fail " as you say but > it > > > just doesn't > > > > > make sense that if you make the stomach that small and bypass > 2/3 > > > of the > > > > > calories that it wouldn't be a dramatic change. I am pre-op > and > > > in the > > > > > learning stages - I am not a t all discouraged as I feel that > > > even > > > 30 pounds > > > > > would be a relief at this point and I can tell you that I > > > couldn't > > > lose them > > > > > on my own at this point if I had too. - So I don't see your > > > surgery as a > > > > > " failure " - let's face it - at least the scales are moving in > the > > > right > > > > > direction - no matter how your getting there. I wonder where > > > you'd be (scale > > > > > wise) today without the surgery. Most of the people I am > meeting > > > say that by > > > > > the time they got the surgery - the scales were racing > upwards > - > > > and their > > > > > health was racing downwards. > > > > > Look, I know you are a huge icon in here- you have helped many > > > people with > > > > > your spirit - maybe God want's you to stay online as long as > > > possible and is > > > > > dragging it out. If you get to a size 4 too fast we will > hardly > > > ever get to > > > > > see you anymore. > > > > > Love > > > > > Debby (in Arizona) > > > > > > > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at > > > Onelist.com > > > > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > > > > Get the Patient Manual at > http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > > > > > > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > > > > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: > > > MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at > Onelist.com > > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > > > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: > MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 > In a message dated 9/15/2000 9:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lindat@m... writes: > > << Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not > supportive in the least. > > And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by > responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will > probably have today. > > I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my > mind. > > >> > > , > Can you not see how utterly obnoxious you are being. Marg was just trying > to help Saying " are you exercising, " followed by " if you don't follow post-op instructions to a T, all warranties should be void, " is not supportive and it is catty and those are the posts to which I responded. Funny, you managed to ignore the posts from her, as well as all the many posts I wrote to supportive people, in order to jump on me about my response. I suggest you point your nose in somebody elses' business if you can't keep up with what is actually being said in the posts of the people to whose defense you have rushed. and you attack her because you don't like what she says. You owe Marg > an apology. You have had your rant and in the process totally insulted a few > of the people on this list. If you have a problem call Dr. R, don't take out > your frustration and anger on the people on this list who actually care about > you. You need to take a deep breath and think before you use that viper > tongue of yours on how you may be hurting other people who are just trying to > show you they care. > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > BMI 42 > A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 WELL SAID JAN! I TOO HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE POST AND WAS GETTING TO RESPOND WHEN YOUR POST POPPED UP, BRAVO WELL SAID! IN THE BACK OF MY MIND I KEPT THINKING ABOUT LEAKS, AND LOOSING TOO MUCH, AND GETTING SICK, BUT I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IF I " DIDN'T LOOSE WEIGHT " . I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF HEARING A RESPONSE FROM THE DR. AMY ~ MICH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Kaye, I suggest you look at the statistics that should comfort you and not just from Dr. R's site. If you think of yourself as a winner going into the surgery you will come out a winner after surgery. Las Vegas, Nevada MKAYEHC@... wrote: > I am planning on having the surgery soon. I am working on my packet now. I > thought my biggest fear was to lose all the weight, and gain it back. Now I > think my biggest fear is to go through all this and not lose at all. Any one > of us can lose 50 pounds, when you are big that is really not that hard. I > feel like I am at the end of my rope. This surgery is my last hope of having > a normal life again. I can not imagine the devastation of going through all > this and not having it work. I wish I had some great words of wisdom for you > , but all I know how to say is that I will pray for you. > Good Luck. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. IT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO HAVE HAPPEN TO > YOU. I hope that Dr R can help you fix it. > > Kaye > Texas Panhandle > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Here, Here! If the moderator of this EGroup does not stop this nasty and unpleasant ranting and flaming by I am leaving as well. Everyone on this EGroup except for have been wonderful and supportive to me. Las Vegas, NV April sands wrote: > I can not believe this, it seems that everytime I turn around there is > something going on with , for those of you that haven't been on here > that long there was another arguement a while back that caused people to > leave the list, and here YOU go again. I think there is no sweeter person on > here than Cathy Morrow this woman has done NOTHING but support everyone on > here. If you are upset with what a person said why don't you email them > privately, why do you make it known to the whole group. I can understand why > you are upset I would be too if I were gaining instead but I feel that all > remarks were meant to help not to hurt. I don't post much anyway but I still > try to answer and help when needed. I am leaving this pre=op group and going > elsewhere maybe there I won't have to listen to this CRAP anymore. I will be > more than happy to be a contact and try to answer questions for all who are > interested you can email me directly at Aprilsands@... > > >From: CMo6331945@... > >Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > >To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > >Subject: Re: Re: FAILED SURGERY > >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:38:48 EDT > > > >In a message dated 9/15/2000 9:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >lindat@... writes: > > > ><< Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not > > supportive in the least. > > > > And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by > > responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will > > probably have today. > > > > I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my > > mind. > > > > >> > > > >, > > Can you not see how utterly obnoxious you are being. Marg was just > >trying > >to help and you attack her because you don't like what she says. You owe > >Marg > >an apology. You have had your rant and in the process totally insulted a > >few > >of the people on this list. If you have a problem call Dr. R, don't take > >out > >your frustration and anger on the people on this list who actually care > >about > >you. You need to take a deep breath and think before you use that viper > >tongue of yours on how you may be hurting other people who are just trying > >to > >show you they care. > > > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > > BMI 42 > >A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step > > > >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > >Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > >Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > >and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > >http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > >To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: > >MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 > I am planning on having the surgery soon. > I am working on my packet now. I > thought my biggest fear was to lose all the weight, > and gain it back. Now I think my biggest fear is to go > through all this and not lose at all. Hey, the good news is that, with *ANY* weight loss surgery, there is a *very* small statistical likelihood that you will end up at either end of the spectrum, losing too much or not losing, something like a 1% chance, so from a statistical average, you have a 99% chance of success! > Any one of us can lose 50 pounds, when you are big that > is really not that hard. Exactly. How many times have we all lost the same 30, 50 or 100 pounds, over and over? I thought this was going to be *real* solution, a 150 pound solution, a permanent solution. And the fact is, if the surgery is done properly, it would be physically impossible to not lose weight. It would be physically impossible to gain weight short of getting high-calorie I.V.'s or something. Weight loss is even observed in THIN people who have this surgery for other problems, like congenital defects or ulcers, rather than for weight loss. That is how Dr. R. even came up with the idea to use it for weight loss -- he did this surgery on a guy who had a gunshot wound and realized the guy lost weight after the surgery. And the fact is, I have had slow weight loss from the outset, and now I am gaining. The only reasonable conclusion is that my stomach is too large and not enough intestine was bypassed and that means that the surgery was not done properly. There. I put it in black and white. [NOTE: No, that does not mean I am saying Dr. Rutledge is a bad surgeon -- I think he is an excellent surgeon and diagnostician, for that matter. But I do think that even an excellent surgeon can underestimate the amount of bowel and stomach that are or should be bypassed in this procedure. It happens. And I'm living proof.] Apparently no one wants to come right out and say that, so instead, they fall back on " diet and exercise " or the usual dieting-habit-questions, assuming fault and blame, all of which is just inappropriate after weight loss surgery. Surgery physically alters you so it should be impossible to " fail. " Now, the issue for me is what can be done about it and when (and by " it, " I mean the failed surgery)? I think it is very plain at this point that the surgery is a failure and it should be fixed. And I do think it is important for pre-ops to know that, yes, the doctors, INCLUDING Dr. Rutledge, DO vary the amount of intestine they bypass and the size they make your stomach and it depends largely on your starting weight. The heavier you are, the more you get bypassed and the smaller will be your stomach. So if you think you will get a jump start on your surgery and lose weight beforehand, like I did, then you can expect to be treated surgically like someone who was never huge because that is what the doctor will SEE -- a person who is not so huge anymore. So, you get the " lightweight " bypass -- you get a lesser bypass and bigger stomach, but, surprise, your body responds like the huge person it was and wants to be and holds onto the fat. To me, there's no surprise there, other than that Dr. Rutledge did not listen to me when I told him this before surgery. I tried very hard to keep my mouth shut about it, waiting and hoping against hope that it was going to change, but it has not, it has gotten worse. And why should I have hoped or expected it to change? NOBODY loses more weight the 3rd/4th months -- their weight loss slows. That is a statistical fact. So, in July, why did Dr. Rutledge tell me to " wait 2 months? " I can't help but wonder if it was it so my BMI would creep down low enough that my insurance would not pay for a revision -- which is EXACTLY what happened to someone else! I also can't help but note that If I don't have a revision, then I'm not a " problem statistic, " that has to be reported in the tally. Call me suspicious, for surely I am that. I really feel sorry for that lady -- THAT is my nightmare come true and I am sure it was hers, too. And I also can't help but notice that the people who are having a lot of problems losing weight now are people who have had surgery since died in mid-April. Perhaps that is coincidence or perhaps it indicates that Dr. Rutledge has made some significant changes in the way he does the surgery. I don't know. Maybe I'm looking for answers that aren't there. Thank you for your post. I hope your surgery goes perfectly. Kind regards, I > feel like I am at the end of my rope. This surgery is my last hope of having > a normal life again. I can not imagine the devastation of going through all > this and not having it work. I wish I had some great words of wisdom for you > , but all I know how to say is that I will pray for you. > Good Luck. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. IT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO HAVE HAPPEN TO > YOU. I hope that Dr R can help you fix it. > > Kaye > Texas Panhandle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 April sands wrote: > > I can not believe this, it seems that everytime I turn around there is > something going on with , for those of you that haven't been on here > that long there was another arguement a while back that caused people to > leave the list, and here YOU go again. I think there is no sweeter person on > here than Cathy Morrow this woman has done NOTHING but support everyone on > here. If you are upset with what a person said why don't you email them > privately, why do you make it known to the whole group. Hello? Earth to April: Did Cathy post her comments to me privately or in the newsgroup? Was what I wrote a sudden attack on Cathy or was it a response to what Cathy wrote in the newsgroup? And, yeah, baby, there's ALWAYS something going on with me -- jam up, action-packed adventure and excitement! Get over it. Kind regards, I can understand why > you are upset I would be too if I were gaining instead but I feel that all > remarks were meant to help not to hurt. I don't post much anyway but I still > try to answer and help when needed. I am leaving this pre=op group and going > elsewhere maybe there I won't have to listen to this CRAP anymore. I will be > more than happy to be a contact and try to answer questions for all who are > interested you can email me directly at Aprilsands@... > > >From: CMo6331945@... > >Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > >To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > >Subject: Re: Re: FAILED SURGERY > >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:38:48 EDT > > > >In a message dated 9/15/2000 9:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >lindat@... writes: > > > ><< Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not > > supportive in the least. > > > > And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by > > responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will > > probably have today. > > > > I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my > > mind. > > > > >> > > > >, > > Can you not see how utterly obnoxious you are being. Marg was just > >trying > >to help and you attack her because you don't like what she says. You owe > >Marg > >an apology. You have had your rant and in the process totally insulted a > >few > >of the people on this list. If you have a problem call Dr. R, don't take > >out > >your frustration and anger on the people on this list who actually care > >about > >you. You need to take a deep breath and think before you use that viper > >tongue of yours on how you may be hurting other people who are just trying > >to > >show you they care. > > > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > > BMI 42 > >A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step > > > >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > >Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > >Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > >and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > >http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > >To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: > >MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 I think it's rich how the people like you, complaining about my " attacks on them " don't quote what they said. I guess I'm supposed to forget what you said if you don't quote it? Now *that's* insulting someone's intelligence. Your previous post was not concerned, kind or supportive, and if you don't like my response, then don't write nasty comments to me, it's JUST that easy. I dare say I rarely, if ever, wrote to you before you took it upon yourself to attack me, now did I? If you'd like that happy state of affairs to return, then simply cease and desist, madam. Nothing more, nothing less. CMo6331945@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/15/2000 1:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lindat@... writes: > > << I suggest you point your nose in somebody elses' business if you > can't > keep up with what is actually being said in the posts of the people > to whose defense you have rushed. > >> > > This is the last response I will make to this subject. If it makes you feel > better to insult my intelligence then be my guest. Believe it or not, I do > feel for you and what you're going thru, I was just trying to make you see > that it's not right to attack someone when they are honestly just trying to > be there for you. No one on here is trying to tell you what to do or how to > do it. You are a very intelligent woman as everyone knows, you know all the > stats, info etc. and yes you have the right to vent, that is what this site > is for, but you were getting down right ugly in your comments to people and > so I responded to you in the same demeanor that you were using on them, and > yes you were nice to other respondents, but 1 bad apple can spoil the basket > and the comments and pot shots you were taking at these people to me just > wasn't right. I guess I decided to use this forum in the way that you felt > you had a right to and I shouldn't have done that. I apologize to anyone I > may have offended, I just think you need to think before you speak as to how > you may actually hurt someone who in all honesty thought they were trying to > help you not insult you. > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > BMI 42 > A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Des wrote: > > Kaye, > > I suggest you look at the statistics that should comfort you and not just from > Dr. R's site. > > If you think of yourself as a winner going into the surgery you will come out a > winner after surgery. Is this another " supportive " post, ? Or should I assume that if because I'm not losing weight that you are implying I didn't " think of myself as a winner " before surgery? Have you ever heard what happens to people who overdose on cliches? It's not pretty. > > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > MKAYEHC@... wrote: > > > I am planning on having the surgery soon. I am working on my packet now. I > > thought my biggest fear was to lose all the weight, and gain it back. Now I > > think my biggest fear is to go through all this and not lose at all. Any one > > of us can lose 50 pounds, when you are big that is really not that hard. I > > feel like I am at the end of my rope. This surgery is my last hope of having > > a normal life again. I can not imagine the devastation of going through all > > this and not having it work. I wish I had some great words of wisdom for you > > , but all I know how to say is that I will pray for you. > > Good Luck. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. IT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO HAVE HAPPEN TO > > YOU. I hope that Dr R can help you fix it. > > > > Kaye > > Texas Panhandle > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Des wrote: > > Here, Here! > > If the moderator of this EGroup does not stop this nasty and unpleasant ranting > and flaming by I am leaving as well. > > Everyone on this EGroup except for have been wonderful and supportive to > me. > > Whoops, you've slipped up, there, Dave. I wrote you a quite informative and supportive response to your earlier posts. However, in response to YOUR condescending post to me, I responded in kind. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. > Las Vegas, NV > > April sands wrote: > > > I can not believe this, it seems that everytime I turn around there is > > something going on with , for those of you that haven't been on here > > that long there was another arguement a while back that caused people to > > leave the list, and here YOU go again. I think there is no sweeter person on > > here than Cathy Morrow this woman has done NOTHING but support everyone on > > here. If you are upset with what a person said why don't you email them > > privately, why do you make it known to the whole group. I can understand why > > you are upset I would be too if I were gaining instead but I feel that all > > remarks were meant to help not to hurt. I don't post much anyway but I still > > try to answer and help when needed. I am leaving this pre=op group and going > > elsewhere maybe there I won't have to listen to this CRAP anymore. I will be > > more than happy to be a contact and try to answer questions for all who are > > interested you can email me directly at Aprilsands@... > > > > >From: CMo6331945@... > > >Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > >To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > >Subject: Re: Re: FAILED SURGERY > > >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:38:48 EDT > > > > > >In a message dated 9/15/2000 9:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > >lindat@... writes: > > > > > ><< Those comments made it very plain that you were being catty, not > > > supportive in the least. > > > > > > And to then claim that I was " attacking " you by > > > responding to your attacks -- that's the best laugh I will > > > probably have today. > > > > > > I won't tell you to shove it, Marg, but the thought crossed my > > > mind. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >, > > > Can you not see how utterly obnoxious you are being. Marg was just > > >trying > > >to help and you attack her because you don't like what she says. You owe > > >Marg > > >an apology. You have had your rant and in the process totally insulted a > > >few > > >of the people on this list. If you have a problem call Dr. R, don't take > > >out > > >your frustration and anger on the people on this list who actually care > > >about > > >you. You need to take a deep breath and think before you use that viper > > >tongue of yours on how you may be hurting other people who are just trying > > >to > > >show you they care. > > > > > > Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC > > > BMI 42 > > >A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step > > > > > >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > > >Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > >Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > > >and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > > >http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > > > >To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: > > >MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss : > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb > > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Everyone on this EGroup except for have been wonderful and supportive to me. ******************************************************************** This might be a mistake but I would like to add something to this: For the preops that are new to this list (and need the advice and support). I have been here since May. and I have had a problem or two but I want to say here and now that has been the BIGGEST help to a lot people here including me. She is very informative when it comes to the law and to the MGB. She has been the reason alot of people have been approved by insurance who otherwise would have been denied. is going through a terrible time. I (as a pre op) can " only " imagine what she must be feeling. is mad, upset, hurt and frustrated, but she is also a very strong determined outspoken woman. I think I'd be a pissy mood also if it was me. This is a support group, can we all be a little more understanding of what she is going through? Please!!! I am not sure what can be done to end this. I can only hope that 's situation gets better (either by a revision or suprise weight loss, which lets face it after 4 months it ain't happening) ...as I said before email me personally or call if I can help or just be there to listen (read) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 Marge, Thanks for the encouragement. I am seeing a psychiatrist to help with the self-image problem. I think you are right. It is a little early, and at least my blood sugars are going in the right direction - only FBS of 156 this morning. I cannot remember when it was that low - and no meds! Thanks, and best wishes to you. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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