Re: Get your Vitamin K in SCD foods

[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

If you haven't had a chance to, you should read 's research on Vitamin

K at: http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

The thinking is that the kids may be lacking the enzyme to convert K1 to K2...

and with gut flora out of balance, the K cycle has been badly interrupted. There

may be some other genetic basis for why the kids can't convert the K1, but

that's unknown at this point.

There's nothing " unsafe " about supplementing with K2 according to 's

protocol, from all the research and resources that I read before starting this

supp with Katera.

Making generalized statements like:

<<Since supplementing with fat soluble vitamins can be dangerous.....>>

and...

<<messing around with possibly having vitamin K hyper toxicity.>>

.... gives parents the impression that they should avoid using any of these

vitamins altogether.

I want to make sure you understand that none of us who are doing the K protocol

are giving a form or amount that would lead to " hyper toxicity " .

Here's a good link to read more about the difference between some vitamin K and

non-toxic Vitamin K2:

http://www.mercola.com/forms/vitamin_k2.htm

You can avoid using supplemental Vitamin K for your family if you want to,

that's no problem.... and, as a moderator here, it's not my intention to

suggest that everyone else here should be using it, but for those who have what

appear to be issues with oxylates while on SCD, it's certainly worth looking

into 's findings. Getting enough K2 from food to restart the K cycle

may not be possible.

Then there's the whole issue of not getting enough D to work in conjunction with

the K. If you're using D fortified dairy, and getting lots and lots of sun

exposure, in southern climates, you might not need to worry about supplementing

D.... but some kids will need a supplement, above and beyond a daily half tsp of

CLO.

Fat soluable vites are nothing to take lightly, and there are certainly upper

limits and guidelines as to what form... but I'd appreciate it if you'd make

sure the other parents on the list know that the statements you made are your

opinions only.

thanks,

Patti

Get your Vitamin K in SCD foods

Hi guys,

I also noticed that there is much talk about vitamin K. Vitamin K is a fat

soluble vitamin that is important for blood coagulation and bone metabolism.

Signs of deficiency can be, easy bruising, bloody noses and osteoporosis.

Many people with autism are known to have malabsorption and undiagnosed

intestinal disease. It is no wonder that these kids may have a vitamin K problem

too.

Here are some SAFE ways to get enough K1: Eat more green leafy vegetables,

olive oil, organic liver. K2 is found in: chicken, egg yolk, cow liver, and

certain cheeses.

Since supplementing with fat soluble vitamins can be dangerous.....this is a

way to turn this deficiency around without expensive supplements and messing

around with possibly having vitamin K hyper toxicity.

Hope this helps some, Antoinette and family of five (cd, autism, adhd, and

more) (SCD 2/06)

[Guest guest]

Since SCD helps so many things, I wonder if just this wonderful diet

can fix the K cycle? It is too bad that their is no research yet on

the power of SCD to heal the body.

This article that has written is wonderful! Very

informative. I am grateful that people are out their realizing that

this vicios cycle causes all sorts of things to go wrong in the

human body. I doubt if it is just about genetics. WE will have to

wait and see what research shows us.

One small once of Vitamin K2 cost a lot of money. Most of us can't

afford all these supplements. So expensive, not to mention the cost

of SCDiet alone. We all have to make choices here based on

economical status also.

Plus, not everyone is going to follow the guidlines in 's

article unless told to do so. They just follow the dirctions on the

bottle...which is usualy adult reomendations. Some may not even be

able to make since of this wonderful article without a person's

help in medical terminology.

They also need to be aware of the pediatric guidlines for the

amounts of fat soluble vitamins that are safe for a child. I know

that I am not aware of this amount. Even I would have to ask a

doctor.

Many assume that " more " is better, not realizing this " fine " line

can be crossed. A doctors guidance when dealing with small people is

a must. Vitamin K toxicity and taking too much D, E and A can be a

REAL problem in this case.

And yes, I am simply giving people ideas, and this is backed up by

my reasearch and personal opinion. Some of us have to use

supplements, but we do need to be careful with all these

supplements. Especialy D, E, A and K. The four that are not

excreted in our urine.....they build up in or fat and the last

things these ASD kids need is more complications.

Sincerely, Antoinette (SCD 2/06)

[Guest guest]

>

> Since SCD helps so many things, I wonder if just this wonderful diet

> can fix the K cycle? It is too bad that their is no research yet on

> the power of SCD to heal the body.

>

Vitamin K protocol is a response to suspected Oxalate problems. It is a theory

and a pretty

logical one proving true for for whom the LOD did not work SCD never

included that concern or the K protocol. It is new and time and testing, reports

from

parents etc. hopefully will bear out 's beliefs.

SCD may be more costly than the Standard American Diet but non dietary autism

interventions can bankrupt a family. Mimi believes SCD should be started early

because it

is most effective with younger kids. Unfortunately too many come to SCD as a

court of last

resort.

has her own list for people interested in the K additions.

We have told how SCD helps with chelation, how it can help with yeast

overgrowth

management in tandem with supplements, and of course how it improves the gut

brain

connection. We know grain is not an essential food and neither is rice or

refined sugar, so

what's so surprising?

Many feel the lobbying activities to U.S. government gave the agricultural grain

industry an

inordinate amount of power and influence and is connected to the historical food

pyramid

top heavy with grain which has been modified.

It is also logical to believe that food without chemicals, additives and

needless

preservatives is better.

Some time ago, a key supporter of the GFCF diet wondered why before healing, we

couldn't have an occasional GFCF kind of treat. It would have been effective if

BTVC

contained a single drawing of how many bad bacteria are generated by a small

helping of

starch.

The thing I like about Elaine's thinking was " If in doubt, leave it out. "

She would always rather embrace caution than err from being too lenient and

giving in to

requests to legalize pet foods.

I am so happy your progress and enthusiasm continues Antoinette.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Since SCD helps so many things, I wonder if just this wonderful diet

> > can fix the K cycle? It is too bad that their is no research yet on

> > the power of SCD to heal the body.

> >

>

I said:

>She would always rather embrace caution than err from being too lenient and

giving in

to requests to legalize pet foods.

>

Of course I meant " favorite foods " but when it comes to actual " pet foods, " my

two dogs,

like Marilyn's " doxies " are both SCD and beg and cry when the yogurt bowl comes

out of

the fridge .

They are on a frozen commercial mixture of human grade animal protein and

vegetables

along with other healthy ingredients and they take a pro biotic. Their treats

are dehydrated

chips of liver and a ground raw bone and meat mixture in small amounts for a

little extra

bulk . They like the yogurt best! (and they are very smart so must have a great

gut-brain

connection)

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

Scarlett, red miniature poodle, 12 years old

Remy , black toy poodle, 5 years old

[Guest guest]

Two years ago a group of European scientists published a paper in

which they recommended that the minimum daily dose of Vitamin K

should be raised. They all agreed that it is not possible to obtain

that increased dose from food alone, and they noted it is

unfortunate that multivitamin supplements do not include K.

A small amount of Vitamin K is stored in the liver, but K is not

stored in other organs or in the fat cells. Therefore it is more

important to be getting a regular daily dose of K than it is for A,

D or E, all of which the body stores. Scientists have found that

Vitamin K does not seem to be toxic at any level.

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I also noticed that there is much talk about vitamin K. Vitamin K

is a fat soluble vitamin that is important for blood coagulation and

bone metabolism. Signs of deficiency can be, easy bruising, bloody

noses and osteoporosis.

>

> Many people with autism are known to have malabsorption and

undiagnosed intestinal disease. It is no wonder that these kids may

have a vitamin K problem too.

>

> Here are some SAFE ways to get enough K1: Eat more green leafy

vegetables, olive oil, organic liver. K2 is found in: chicken, egg

yolk, cow liver, and certain cheeses.

>

> Since supplementing with fat soluble vitamins can be

dangerous.....this is a way to turn this deficiency around without

expensive supplements and messing around with possibly having

vitamin K hyper toxicity.

>

> Hope this helps some, Antoinette and family of five (cd, autism,

adhd, and more) (SCD 2/06)

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I also noticed that there is much talk about vitamin K. Vitamin

K

> is a fat soluble vitamin that is important for blood coagulation

and

> bone metabolism. Signs of deficiency can be, easy bruising,

bloody

> noses and osteoporosis.

> >

> > Many people with autism are known to have malabsorption and

> undiagnosed intestinal disease. It is no wonder that these kids

may

> have a vitamin K problem too.

> >

> > Here are some SAFE ways to get enough K1: Eat more green leafy

> vegetables, olive oil, organic liver. K2 is found in: chicken,

egg

> yolk, cow liver, and certain cheeses.

> >

> > Since supplementing with fat soluble vitamins can be

> dangerous.....this is a way to turn this deficiency around without

> expensive supplements and messing around with possibly having

> vitamin K hyper toxicity.

> >

> > Hope this helps some, Antoinette and family of five (cd, autism,

> adhd, and more) (SCD 2/06)

>