Re: Re: 3- days into diet and CONFUSED!!!

November 22, 2006

Sheila

I don't know if he has yeast or not. We went to a doctor, does Dan protocol,

who said based on some of his symptoms she was confident he did have build up.

She said they were " classic symptoms " . She put us on aciodophilis and suggested

we try the SCD. I bought the book and have been figuring it out as I

go.....which has been painful. I called the office and asked about more

" advanced " foods, she said just give him foods on the legal list. But if it

says apples are ok, you guys say to cook before giving raw. If I hadn't read

some email at this site, I would have given him an apple raw. By the way, tried

the cooked _he won't eat it.

I'm just getting confused, there's so much to figure out. The only thing he

will eat is stuff he ate prior to the diet. Currently he's eating, canned pears

in their own juice, unsweeted applesauce, colby cheese and Welch's juice. I

have slipped some chicken broth from the homemade chicken soup, in his juice at

most 5 tablespoons at once and he will take that. Everything that i thought he

would eat, chicken nuggets, waffles, spaghetti (squash) and pizza- he wont

touch.....I don't blame him, my food prep skills STINK and they taste NOTHING

like what we had before. My waffles were awful, they were thin with no

substance, like paper. I've been grinding my own almonds, but am not sure if

they meet " flour " standards, they look like the $17 bag I saw at the health food

store, but what i cook with them always looks nothing like I expected. I'm

doing the diet with him, so i understand why he won't eat some of it.... Is it

ok for him to eat fruit and cheese only???????? I'm

concerned about the natural sugar in the fruit being detrimental. WOOO......

I went on and on didn't I? I've read the BTVC, I will re-read. Will also

re-read your site to help apply this diet to him. Please help. Here's a

little more about him that may help:

He's 3, no diagnosis of autism yet. Has severe language delays and sensory

issues- mostly vestibular and propreoceptive. Within last month, hand flapping,

repetition of phrases from videos, talking jibberish to the wall etc have

started up. I'm a psychologist, fighting with medicial doctors over correct

diagnosis. He's on the Autism spectrum somewhere! He has a history of poop

ranging from diarreha to constipation since age two. It's never consistent.

Currently hasn't pooped since we started diet on Monday. Thanks so much for any

help!!!!

becky

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi Becky,

Happy SCD Day 1!

> Started diet today with 3 year old son with autistic traits and

have

> a few questions. we have no diareha prior to starting so I am

> planning on doing the intro diet a couple of days then moving on.

2 days on the intro should be plenty for him.

> He will not eat anything on this intro diet, I know, but I am sure

> he will eat other recipes (muffins, chicken nuggets, fruit etc..)

> that are allowed after the 2 day cleansing. What if he doesn't

eat

> anything for 2 days, can I then proceed to the other foods

> eventhough he hasn't eaten anything on the intro diet?

Yes.

I figure the

> yeast won't be getting anything from the self-

imposed " starvation " ,

> so it should be ok to proceed. And how do i know which foods are

> more " advanced " (i've seen that in alot of emails).

Reading BTVC will help. Generally fruits and veggies are easier to

digest than raw. And raw fr. and veg. are easier to digest than

dried fruit and veggies. The Beyond the intro chart may be helpful

also: http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

> Also if he has no diarreha prior to this will diarreha and

cramping still result as a by product of the die off?

He may have some die off. You mentioned yeast. Is that a problem

with him?

> Plus a cold/allergies have just started up with snotty nose and

mild

> coughing, what specifically should I check his medication for

> besides the obvious - sugar.

You can check through the supplement page for legal fillers etc. If

still unsure just list the ingredients on the list and I'll check

through the ingredients. The supplement link:

http://www.pecanbread.com/supplements.html

Let us know how he does and if you have extra questions.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

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November 22, 2006

Becky,

Did you start with the intro diet for two days?

<<Currently he's eating, canned pears in their own juice,>>

I've not ever been able to find any canned fruit, except pineapple, that is

truly " in it's OWN juice " . What brand name is this? It may be that you'd be

better off pulling this and cooking pears yourself. I know... I know... it's a

pain, but I am nervous about the use of this, just based on what we've seen with

other kids... even though I know it's listed in the book as " legal " . I would

buy some fresh ripe pears, peel them and steam them with one of those veggie

steamer baskets. Reserve the liquid in the bottom of the pan, because after

steaming the pears, this will be VERY sweet... and can be used for juice (dilute

if it's SUPER sweet.... kina depends on how much water was in the pan to start

with).

<<unsweeted applesauce,>>

Are you making your own? There is no commercial applesauce that is legal.

<<colby cheese>>

This is fine.

<<I've been grinding my own almonds, but am not sure if they meet " flour "

standards, they look like the $17 bag I saw at the health food store, but what i

cook with them always looks nothing like I expected.>>

Are you using blanched almonds? At this point, the skins on the almonds could

be irritating and interfering with progress.... plus, if you're not able to get

it ground really fine, it's going to be difficult to digest. You might try

ordering some from Lucy's Kitchen Shop.... her blanched almond flour is

wonderful... and it's only about $6 a lb if you order at least 5 lbs.

www.lucyskitchenshop.com

For brand new beginners, we really think the nut flours are too advanced.... and

actually suggest nut butters are a better thing to start with. Peanut butter

should be considered a legume, however.... and introduced later. I know it

doesn't say this in the book either... but this is just what we've seen over the

years with the little kids on SCD.

I think the advice you were given.... to just give him any food on the legal

list.... demonstrates that person did not have a thorough understanding of the

diet. You really need to start with the intro diet and then move on to legal

foods that are very easy to digest. Be absolutely strict about zero possibility

of illegal ingredients.... or all your hard work will not give you the results

you hoped for.

November 22, 2006

Sheila,

Until you can get him acclimated to the food on SCD, you can start to wean him

onto it by using more advanced foods that he will eat and as he eats more of

those, try to go backwards (if that makes sense). Add more of the beginner

foods. Make applesauce and pearsauce. They look just like the stuff you buy at

the store. With good almond flour you can make chicken nuggets that taste

great! I have and I am not a great cook. You can order almond flour online at

Lucyskitchenshop.com or hughsonnut.com. They are MUCH cheaper than what you

find in the store even with shipping and handling costs. Also, may be a better

texture. We have used flour from both and have had no problems.

Dana

Garrett and , age 2 1/2

SCD 5 1/2 months

Celiac, Global Developmental Delays

becky rogalski wrote:

Sheila

I don't know if he has yeast or not. We went to a doctor, does Dan protocol, who

said based on some of his symptoms she was confident he did have build up. She

said they were " classic symptoms " . She put us on aciodophilis and suggested we

try the SCD. I bought the book and have been figuring it out as I go.....which

has been painful. I called the office and asked about more " advanced " foods, she

said just give him foods on the legal list. But if it says apples are ok, you

guys say to cook before giving raw. If I hadn't read some email at this site, I

would have given him an apple raw. By the way, tried the cooked _he won't eat

it.

I'm just getting confused, there's so much to figure out. The only thing he will

eat is stuff he ate prior to the diet. Currently he's eating, canned pears in

their own juice, unsweeted applesauce, colby cheese and Welch's juice. I have

slipped some chicken broth from the homemade chicken soup, in his juice at most

5 tablespoons at once and he will take that. Everything that i thought he would

eat, chicken nuggets, waffles, spaghetti (squash) and pizza- he wont touch.....I

don't blame him, my food prep skills STINK and they taste NOTHING like what we

had before. My waffles were awful, they were thin with no substance, like paper.

I've been grinding my own almonds, but am not sure if they meet " flour "

standards, they look like the $17 bag I saw at the health food store, but what i

cook with them always looks nothing like I expected. I'm doing the diet with

him, so i understand why he won't eat some of it.... Is it ok for him to eat

fruit and cheese only???????? I'm

concerned about the natural sugar in the fruit being detrimental. WOOO...... I

went on and on didn't I? I've read the BTVC, I will re-read. Will also re-read

your site to help apply this diet to him. Please help. Here's a little more

about him that may help:

He's 3, no diagnosis of autism yet. Has severe language delays and sensory

issues- mostly vestibular and propreoceptive. Within last month, hand flapping,

repetition of phrases from videos, talking jibberish to the wall etc have

started up. I'm a psychologist, fighting with medicial doctors over correct

diagnosis. He's on the Autism spectrum somewhere! He has a history of poop

ranging from diarreha to constipation since age two. It's never consistent.

Currently hasn't pooped since we started diet on Monday. Thanks so much for any

help!!!!

becky

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi Becky,

Happy SCD Day 1!

> Started diet today with 3 year old son with autistic traits and

have

> a few questions. we have no diareha prior to starting so I am

> planning on doing the intro diet a couple of days then moving on.

2 days on the intro should be plenty for him.

> He will not eat anything on this intro diet, I know, but I am sure

> he will eat other recipes (muffins, chicken nuggets, fruit etc..)

> that are allowed after the 2 day cleansing. What if he doesn't

eat

> anything for 2 days, can I then proceed to the other foods

> eventhough he hasn't eaten anything on the intro diet?

Yes.

I figure the

> yeast won't be getting anything from the self-

imposed " starvation " ,

> so it should be ok to proceed. And how do i know which foods are

> more " advanced " (i've seen that in alot of emails).

Reading BTVC will help. Generally fruits and veggies are easier to

digest than raw. And raw fr. and veg. are easier to digest than

dried fruit and veggies. The Beyond the intro chart may be helpful

also: http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

> Also if he has no diarreha prior to this will diarreha and

cramping still result as a by product of the die off?

He may have some die off. You mentioned yeast. Is that a problem

with him?

> Plus a cold/allergies have just started up with snotty nose and

mild

> coughing, what specifically should I check his medication for

> besides the obvious - sugar.

You can check through the supplement page for legal fillers etc. If

still unsure just list the ingredients on the list and I'll check

through the ingredients. The supplement link:

http://www.pecanbread.com/supplements.html

Let us know how he does and if you have extra questions.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

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November 22, 2006

Becky,

Are you making your own applesauce? Store bought applesauce is not legal. I'd

be a little concerned about the canned pears if it were me...even though they

say " in their own juice " . Are you cooking those? At this point, all fruits and

veggies need to be pealed, seeded, and cooked. The cheese is OK. That's

something that can be introduced again right after intro. Have you ever removed

the dairy to see if it helps symptoms? My son doesn't have a problem with

dairy, and never did. I jst thought I'd suggest it. The increased symptoms in

the past little bit could be due to die off. If it seems to have gotten worse

since starting scd, then I'd bet that it is. It would actually be a good sign

because many kids seem to get worse when their body is detoxing. Please make

sure that you adhere strictly to the scd rules about starting with the true

intro diet foods, then slowly progressing from very easy to advanced foods. I

often tell people who ask me about the diet that my son is on that it is similar

to introducing food to a baby. I know that this really isn't the true scd, but

maybe that will help you when thinking about the foods to give him and in what

form. You always start out feeding baby pealed, seeded, and well cooked...even

well cut up...foods. Even for a baby, the exception would be banana and

avocado. Just remember this when feeding your son. It's OK if he refuses to

eat. We've had quite a few new scd kids lately that refused to eat for many,

many days. They eventually, slowly come around.

Meleah

Re: Re: 3- days into diet and CONFUSED!!!

Sheila

I don't know if he has yeast or not. We went to a doctor, does Dan protocol,

who said based on some of his symptoms she was confident he did have build up.

She said they were " classic symptoms " . She put us on aciodophilis and suggested

we try the SCD. I bought the book and have been figuring it out as I

go.....which has been painful. I called the office and asked about more

" advanced " foods, she said just give him foods on the legal list. But if it says

apples are ok, you guys say to cook before giving raw. If I hadn't read some

email at this site, I would have given him an apple raw. By the way, tried the

cooked _he won't eat it.

I'm just getting confused, there's so much to figure out. The only thing he

will eat is stuff he ate prior to the diet. Currently he's eating, canned pears

in their own juice, unsweeted applesauce, colby cheese and Welch's juice. I have