Re: behavioral die-off symptoms?/probiotic ??s

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A couple of questions have occurred to me regarding probiotics & bad

bacteria die-off.

If we are starving out the bad bacteria with this diet, why would we not be

starving out good bacteria at the same time? Don't they eat sugars as well?

Or is that why we have to take probiotics & eat homemade yogurt

indefinitely- because we are not really ever getting a colony of good

bacteria going- because they aren't being fed?

Thanks,

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Yes, this behavior is common with die-off. Hard to know whether it's die-off

from the diet or from the antibiotic, since you've started both at nearly

the same time. Epsom salts baths... or lotion... may help a lot.

It could be that much of his probiotic is being killed off by the

antibiotic. I'm really not sure. I know it's true with standard

antibiotics... maybe this one he's taking is more targeted to specific

organisms? Is it a med he has to take long term? Or just for a few weeks?

Your probiotic.... is just acidophilus, with possibly s.boulardii? Right? No

bifidus?

P

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Acidophilus is a beneficial bacteria that doesn't take up long term residence in

the gut, which is why you have to keep eating it. Here's something I just copied

from Elaine's website:

<<Colleen writes:

Probiotics are harmless bacteria. Generally speaking, they don't really actively

do anything for us. Their value lies in the fact that they take up space that

would otherwise be utilized by the bad guys, keeping the opportunistic nasties

from overgrowing. >>

Now, I'm not sure that it's true that they " don't do anything for us " ... I

thought I had read somewhere that beneficial bacteria produce vitamin B-12, and

help support the immune system, but I guess I'll have to try to find where I

read that.

Patti

Re: behavioral die-off symptoms?/probiotic ??s

A couple of questions have occurred to me regarding probiotics & bad

bacteria die-off.

If we are starving out the bad bacteria with this diet, why would we not be

starving out good bacteria at the same time? Don't they eat sugars as well?

Or is that why we have to take probiotics & eat homemade yogurt

indefinitely- because we are not really ever getting a colony of good

bacteria going- because they aren't being fed?

Thanks,

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But aren't there strains of good bacteria that will colonize? I know

that Elaine said bifidus might overgrow which was why she recommended

against it, but wouldn't it be good to have some strains of good

bacteria colonizing so that we don't have to pay for probiotics

forever & ever amen?

Thanks for your patience in helping me sort out the logic.

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> Acidophilus is a beneficial bacteria that doesn't take up long term

residence in the gut, which is why you have to keep eating it. Here's

something I just copied from Elaine's website:

>

> <<Colleen writes:

> Probiotics are harmless bacteria. Generally speaking, they don't

really actively do anything for us. Their value lies in the fact that

they take up space that would otherwise be utilized by the bad guys,

keeping the opportunistic nasties from overgrowing. >>

>

> Now, I'm not sure that it's true that they " don't do anything for

us " ... I thought I had read somewhere that beneficial bacteria

produce vitamin B-12, and help support the immune system, but I guess

I'll have to try to find where I read that.

>

>

> Patti

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symptoms?/probiotic ??s

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> A couple of questions have occurred to me regarding probiotics &

bad

> bacteria die-off.

> If we are starving out the bad bacteria with this diet, why would

we not be

> starving out good bacteria at the same time? Don't they eat

sugars as well?

> Or is that why we have to take probiotics & eat homemade yogurt

> indefinitely- because we are not really ever getting a colony of

good

> bacteria going- because they aren't being fed?

> Thanks,

>

>

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> But aren't there strains of good bacteria that will colonize? I know

> that Elaine said bifidus might overgrow which was why she recommended

> against it, but wouldn't it be good to have some strains of good

> bacteria colonizing so that we don't have to pay for probiotics

> forever & ever amen?

> Thanks for your patience in helping me sort out the logic.

>

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Another source of

good colonization would be fermented foods like sauerkraut. There is refernce to

them in

our archives.

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I honestly don't know the answer to that one, . I just know that the only

ones we're to supplement with are acidophilus and possibly s.boulardii (which is

helpful in combating clostridia).

I don't know... I can imagine continuing to make my own yogurt indefinitely,

even if I stopped using an acidophilus supplement.

I suspect that in days gone by, human beings would be naturally picking up all

kinds of " wild " beneficial bacteria from their foods... with home-fermented

foods being quite common in many cultures in the past, for one example. It's

just not something we get anymore in that more " natural " way, since everything

is so processed and sterilized... and our homes are so much cleaner which in

many ways is a GOOD thing, in my book, but we do pay the price.

We also don't get a lot of the naturally occuring beneficial nematodes and other

microscopic good critters that would come with our fruits and veggies, unless we

are growing our own organic produce, using lots of organic compost, etc. That's

a " whole 'nuther " topic... but very interesting. I don't do a lot of gardening

myself, but have always wanted to. Maybe some day.

Patti

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But aren't there strains of good bacteria that will colonize? I know

that Elaine said bifidus might overgrow which was why she recommended

against it, but wouldn't it be good to have some strains of good

bacteria colonizing so that we don't have to pay for probiotics

forever & ever amen?

Thanks for your patience in helping me sort out the logic.

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