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We have raised our kids with the truth such as there is no Santa

,Toothfairy, or Easterbunny .As a child I felt lied to when I found there was no

Santa.I

wanted to always be honest with my kids and lying about some commercialized

fat man in a red suit was not my way of dealing with that issue.Christmas is

celebrated as the birth of Jesus.If someone wants to dress up in a red suit and

pretend to be Santa then they must feel the spirit of Christmas and that is how

Santa is explained.We usually put the tree up the first weekend of

December.In 1994 I was on strict bed rest w/preterm labor w/baby #6 and couldn't

decorate so I threw a Happy Birthday banner around the tree.My M-I-L who is very

religious came in one day and asked Who's b-day did I miss we all just started

laughing as we reminded her why we celebrate Christmas. On Christmas Eve we have

a stuffed toy and pajamas to open.Last year everyone got a pillow and blanket

(the only time all my kids were happy with what they got).With 8 kids I

learned to keep ALL the presents at a friends house(we take over his spare

bedroom)

and spend the weekend before Christmas going to his house (very late after the

kids are asleep) wrapping all the presents and playing Cribbage.On Christmas

we spend a couple of hours just getting everyone their presents and getting

them open.We usually have a ham (I love dressing but I don't like turkey) sweet

potatoes w/ melted marshmallows on top,dressing,gravy,biscuits, green

beans,pumpkin pie. The rest of the day is spent eating everything and having

fun.BeckyB.

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Hi,

the next time your kids can't wait until Santa arrives, just do it

the German way :-))

The real Santa in history, the Bishop of Myra,

http://www.saint-nick.com/santa/santa01.html

was born on December 6th and that's when our kids put one of their

boots outside in the evening and the next morning it's stuffed with

nuts, oranges and sweets.

I have never found out when St. was altered into that fat

gift bringer in the red suit. And due to his overweight he is almost

three weeks late now every year :-))

On the other hand here we have invented a " Christmas Child " who has

to distribute all the gifts on Christmas. And she has to do it even

without reindeers and a sledge.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 6wcf

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I sure hope all the folk help her out. What a tired gal she must

be. ---YES, Germany has a beautiful Christmas. I spent one years there

before Christmas & 2 just after . It was so very beautifully decorated too.

I loves ....all the white only lights. Now that was 20 years ago .....Do

they do the same today? hey, that's part of a song too. BUT I meant it . I

have 2 grandsons that were born there-Heidelberg.... Dec 5th & the other

Des27. I went over for almost 2 months each year for 4 years as they were

stationed in Huttenfeld. I toured all over there too. We went to a town that

was almost all CHRISTMAS shoppes. It was fabulous. (near one of the old

prisons from years ago) I really want to revisit someday........

Also to the very small town where the passion play is held each year & ONLY

those born in that town can be in it . They all play the different parts

(even men, women playing any part )I just loved your country. The beauty &

cleanliness .......wow! yes, Do have a VERY merry Christmas..

LOVE & HUGS, grandmomBEV

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Hi,

the next time your kids can't wait until Santa arrives, just do it

the German way :-))

The real Santa in history, the Bishop of Myra,

http://www.saint-nick.com/santa/santa01.html

was born on December 6th and that's when our kids put one of their

boots outside in the evening and the next morning it's stuffed with

nuts, oranges and sweets.

I have never found out when St. was altered into that fat

gift bringer in the red suit. And due to his overweight he is almost

three weeks late now every year :-))

On the other hand here we have invented a " Christmas Child " who has

to distribute all the gifts on Christmas. And she has to do it even

without reindeers and a sledge.

Peace

Torsten, dad of Fiona 6wcf

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Here's a bit of history for you Torsten... The top portion is by another

author...

Some may find this hard to believe, but Santa is based partially on Christian

principles and the example of a great Christian man. In his book, Stories Behind

the Great Traditions of Christmas, Ace traces Santa back to St. Nicolas

of Bari.

Mentioned in this article.

Stories Behind the Great Traditions of Christmas

Much like 'Stories Behind the Best-Loved Songs of Christmas,' this

captivating book tells the real inspiration behind the special symbols and acts

that have come to mean so much at Christmas.

, born in the fourth century, was the son of wealthy parents. When they

died, he took all of the family's money and distributed it to the poor. He

became a monk when he was still in his teens and, sometime later, a priest.

After being chosen to become the archbishop of Myra, says he " seemed to

take on almost mythical heroic qualities. " Saint was highly revered for

being a great prayer warrior, saving many lives, healing the sick, and

magnificent generosity.

When St. died in the late 340s or early 350s on December 6, his passing

was commemorated with an annual feast. On St. Eve, the children would

place food out for and straw for his donkey. It was said the bishop

would then come from heaven, unbeknownst to them during the night, and replace

the gifts of good boys and girls with toys and sweets.

In time, various derivations of Saint evolved. In Germany, he became

" Weinachtsmann " (Christmas man). Interestingly, he worked as a helper to the

Christ child and together they distributed gifts to the children. " Père Noel "

replaced St. in France. He supposedly placed gifts of cakes, cookies,

and candies in the children's shoes. became " Father Frost " in Russia.

He distributed gifts in January when the Russian church observed Christmas. In

England, became " Father Christmas. " Surprisingly he was a tall, thin

man, who had a long beard and large sack of toys.

writes: " After the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century, the

veneration of Catholic saints was banned in Germany and England. But people had

become accustomed to the annual visit from the gift-giving saint and didn't want

to forget the purpose of the holiday. So in some countries the orders of the

church were defied, and the festivities of St. 's Day were merged with

Christmas celebrations. "

This practice also spread to the New World, specifically New York, which was

originally established as New Amsterdam by the Dutch. Eventually St.

became known as Santa Claus because English-speaking children in New York had

difficulty saying the Dutch name for St. , " Sinterklaas. " They would say

it so quickly it came out sounding like " Santy Claus. " After several years of

mispronunciation, St. ultimately evolved into the Americanized " Santa

Claus. "

He was always rather pudgier in America, but then aren't we all. ;-) He became

the guy you see now days when Coke hired an advertising artist to draw Santa for

one of thier displays. Or, at least, that's what I've read from other sources

that I can't locate... Obviously the ban in Germany on celebrating saints was

lifted at some point in time, or you wouldn't be celebrating on the 6th.

Dawn, the keeper of obscure history, mom of 4, 7 and under, the youngest wcf

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Torsten,

I should ask my brother in law how he explanied Christmas gifts to my neice

that came from America.lol I know he tried to stay as close to German customs

as possible.

Mom to 2 w/o CF and Savannah w/ CF

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Torsten that is so cute, and you have a Christmas Child. In Italy,

where my dad was from, the one that brought the presents, was an old

woman.

Thank you,

> Hi,

>

> the next time your kids can't wait until Santa arrives, just do it

> the German way :-))

>

> The real Santa in history, the Bishop of Myra,

> http://www.saint-nick.com/santa/santa01.html

> was born on December 6th and that's when our kids put one of their

> boots outside in the evening and the next morning it's stuffed with

> nuts, oranges and sweets.

>

> I have never found out when St. was altered into that fat

> gift bringer in the red suit. And due to his overweight he is

almost

> three weeks late now every year :-))

>

> On the other hand here we have invented a " Christmas Child " who has

> to distribute all the gifts on Christmas. And she has to do it even

> without reindeers and a sledge.

>

>

> Peace

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 6wcf

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Torsten, thank you; loved the links on the site as well!

Love to you and all of yours,

n Rojas, from me and all of mine

Re: Santa/traditions

> Hi,

>

> the next time your kids can't wait until Santa arrives, just do it

> the German way :-))

>

> The real Santa in history, the Bishop of Myra,

> http://www.saint-nick.com/santa/santa01.html

> was born on December 6th and that's when our kids put one of their

> boots outside in the evening and the next morning it's stuffed with

> nuts, oranges and sweets.

>

> I have never found out when St. was altered into that fat

> gift bringer in the red suit. And due to his overweight he is almost

> three weeks late now every year :-))

>

> On the other hand here we have invented a " Christmas Child " who has

> to distribute all the gifts on Christmas. And she has to do it even

> without reindeers and a sledge.

>

>

> Peace

> Torsten, dad of Fiona 6wcf

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------

> The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY

> be construed as medical advice.

>

> PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

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Dawn,

Can I use you as my " phone a friend " for when I am on " who wants to

be a millionaire " ? HEEHEE. THanks for the history lesson! I love to

learn stuff like that!

e,who is currently trying to master the spanish language...

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hahahaha sure, just make sure its for some rather obscure information.... I

don't answer regular questions all that well...I suppose my mind grabs onto the

absurd... ;-)

Dawn mom of 4, 7 and under, the youngest wcf

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