Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 , Some of the problems may be the raw diet. If the family is experiencing digestion problems, raw fruits and vegetables (especially with skin on and seeds) are very hard to digest. This diet starts off with meat, chicken soup, eggs, yogurt, and carrots, and then gradually adds in cooked deskinned, deseeded fruits and vegetables (with the exception of ripe banana and avocado - which can be eaten raw). The diet is progressive. As healing takes place, one should be able to eventually consume raw fruits and vegetables - but those are advanced. You can follow the diet non-dairy with your 11 year old, but should try to find some form of probiotic for him to take. I have had a hard time finding the dry curd cottage cheese. In Georgia, I am able to find it in Atlanta. Others may be able to share with you where it can be found. The nut flour can stay fresh for a while if you can freeze what you are not using in a deep freeze. I order mine in a 25 pound bag and then divide it into five pound freezor ziploc bags and put the ones I am not using in the deep freeze and one bag in the refrigerator. This can be an expensive diet, but you do save money on not eating out and not buying prepackaged foods. Hope this helps. Dana Garrett and SCD 4 months Celiac Food allergies mlisadelmare wrote: Hi, I am new to this list and am trying to wade myself through this material. By way of introduction, I have 12 children,live in Virginia, and have been following a gluten and casein free diet with my 11 year old with ASD, and a 80% raw diet with most of the family. My baby who is 2, has had a terrible gas problem and sleeping frights since she was born. I haven't slept through the night in years. My husband also has gas problem and perpetual loose bowels. The raw diet hasn't been great for him. I was wondering if someone could clarify for me a few question. 1. Shouldn't my 11 year old still stay away from dairy products on this diet? I couldn't tell from the book. He doesn't seem to have any problems with bowels or gas - therefore does his fruits and veggies need to be cooked still? and 2. Where does one get the cottage cheese? With my budget does this diet stay under control? I have been looking at the preground almond flour - Does it stay non-rancid? Thank you ever so much if someone responds --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 , Yes, you can do the diet dairy free.... many here do. Yes, everyone who is new to SCD starts with all peeled and cooked fruits and veggies (ripe banana does not have to be cooked). Dry curd cottage cheese is not easy to find. If you can't find it, you don't have to use it. Dripped SCD yogurt is a good substitute in recipes. Patti Newbie questions 1. Shouldn't my 11 year old still stay away from dairy products on this diet? I couldn't tell from the book. He doesn't seem to have any problems with bowels or gas - therefore does his fruits and veggies need to be cooked still? and 2. Where does one get the cottage cheese? With my budget does this diet stay under control? I have been looking at the preground almond flour - Does it stay non-rancid? Thank you ever so much if someone responds Recent Activity a.. 19New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 , Many people who use scd are able to tolerate dairy including the asd children. What you must remember is that fluid milk is not allowed. You must make homemade yogurt that is fermented for 24 hours. This will denature the milk protein to some degree, and makes it tolerable for many. You can find instructions for making yogurt in your oven or in a yogurt making machine at www.pecanbread.com Butter is allowed because it is pretty much straight fat. Cheese is also allowed, but you must make sure that it is a permitted type of cheese. Not every cheese is allowed, but there is quite a variety that is. If you ever wonder whether something is permitted you can go to the " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " web site. There is a " legal list " there to let you know if something is permitted. Many people do take away all dairy initially...maybe a month to six weeks...and then reintroduce it in permissible forms. This will let you know if your child can tolerate it. You must start out with all cooked, pealed, and deseeded fruits and vegies. The book does outline an intro diet that you must use for a couple of days initially. You need to do this. This allows your body to rid itself of a lot of the harmful bacteria living in the intestines. After that, you need to think of the diet as when introducing food to a baby. Make sure that everything is well cook, pealed, ect. There is a chart on pecanbread.com that you can use as a guide as to what foods are usually tolerated first. It is very helpful. If your husband and 2yr. old have some intestinal problems i.e. gas, loose stools, ect., then I think that they should give scd a chance. I would certainly recommend it for your asd child as well. Personally...and I know that it is the case with others...we find it easier to just all eat scd together. It makes it easier on me to not have to cook separate meals and all. I will say that when we go out to another family's home or something, we only bring food for our child who is using scd for his asd issues. As far as nut flours are concerned, you can store them in the freezer for months and months. I actually haven't even needed to do that. I keep my nut flour in an air tight container in my pantry. I haven't had a problem yet. You might feel overwhelmed and overworked initially with scd. I won't lie to you in saying that I was and still a little bit am. Boy, that was poor grammar. Anyway, I've just now really started to figure out that I must cook in bulk to make my life easier. I spent the entire day cooking on Thursday, and it was tiring, but I have food in my freezer for a couple of weeks now. If you have 12 children, then enlist some helpers. Give some children the jobs of doing prep work like chopping, grating cheese, ect. You will probably dirty every dish in your house on cooking day, but that's OK. Get all of the prep work done for many different meals...and remember to double, triple, quadruple, ect. the recipes to make lots for the freezer. When the prep work is done, start the oven up, and just get everything cooked. Then, just store it in the freezer. Remember that you can offer all of this work up as a sacrifice for your asd child's recovery, the health issues of the rest of your family, ect. Prayer and sacrifice is a powerful tool. I hope all of this helps. God give you the strength to do it. It will be a great blessing to your family. Meleah scd 05/06 iel 3.5yrs. asd, Ethan 5yrs., Mark 18mths., both nt Newbie questions > Hi, I am new to this list and am trying to wade myself through this > material. By way of introduction, I have 12 children,live in Virginia, > and have been following a gluten and casein free diet with my 11 year > old with ASD, and a 80% raw diet with most of the family. My baby who > is 2, has had a terrible gas problem and sleeping frights since she > was born. I haven't slept through the night in years. My husband also > has gas problem and perpetual loose bowels. The raw diet hasn't been > great for him. > I was wondering if someone could clarify for me a few question. > 1. Shouldn't my 11 year old still stay away from dairy products on > this diet? I couldn't tell from the book. He doesn't seem to have any > problems with bowels or gas - therefore does his fruits and veggies > need to be cooked still? and 2. Where does one get the cottage cheese? > With my budget does this diet stay under control? I have been looking > at the preground almond flour - Does it stay non-rancid? > Thank you ever so much if someone responds > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 > > Thank you all who responded. I have more to go on, and am trying to > do some menu planning. When you all do a stock up on cooking, is > there a list of staples, or certain family favorite recipes that are > worth starting on.? I am trying plan for the next two weeks. Thanks. > > , I divide my shopping between 3 places, Costco, Whole Foods and our local suopermarket in Toronto, Loblaws. I buy lots of eggs. Costco sells 2 1/2 dozen and they are dated good for a month. I buy two quarts of goats' milk at a time and use 2% because I seem to tolerate it better. I but about 3 pounds of almond flour at a time but I don't bake much. I buy big trays of lamb chops at Costco, bags of frozen sole and scallops, trays of chicken parts and prtion pack to freexe. I buy several large squeeze bottles of Billy bee Honey at a time. I buy large trays of berries and fruits and sweet peppers, Brussels sprouts, cauliflour, zucchini and store them in Debbie Meyers Evert Fresh Green bags in the fridge. I buy Tropicana o.j. in 2 jug cartons and freeze one. Costco has various cheeses in big hunks or trays of slices that are a 2 pack and last a long time unopened. I buy large cans of tomato juice, 2 lb. boxes of Medjool dates, 4 packs of capers at Costco. Our Costco has large packs of DCCC and the ubused can be frozen. I also buy big bags of frozen peas there. I also but big clamshell packs of mixed sald greens and transfer them to a debbie Meyers bag as they keep longer that way. I freeze coffee beans from Costo from 2 lb. bags and grind a week's supply at a time. I no longer use canned tuna and salmon. I but a few bottles of organic sunflower oil at a time and always have a large bottle of good olive oil on hand. Butter is another good value at Costco. It freezes well too. Costco has double bags of Sun maid raisins. I reserve Whole Foods for wonderful unusual legal cheese and beef without hormones or anti biotic. Some of the foods I have mentioned are reserved for those who are advanced which is my situation. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 It is definitely worth the cost of a membership to a wholesale place like BJs or Sams if you don't already have one. You can buy the dry curd cottage cheese(referred to as dccc here) at BJs. I also buy butter, heavy cream(that's mainly for me and my coffee), eggs, chicken breasts, and sometimes ground turkey there. You can use Welch's 100% grape juice in the bottle as well as Tropicana 100% Pure Premium, not from concentrate, orange juice. I get the Welch's in bulk at BJs. Don't break your bank by going all organic if you can't afford it. We did that for a couple of months in the beginning, and now we're paying the price with my husband out of work and no savings left. You can get legal cheeses from places like WalMart Supercenter or any local grocery. If your kids aren't allergic to eggs, buy a lot. You go through them like crazy. I will tell you that our dan doctor and dan dietician told us that the would highly recommend organic milk if you can at all afford anything organic. We do buy that, but it would be costly for you with 12 children. My sister-in-law and brother are a family of nine, and she makes five gallons of milk into yogurt at one time. She has to use the oven method for this, but it lasts them a couple of weeks. You'll want to make up a lot of the chicken soup recipe in the book. You can also use ground turkey, pork, ect. to fry up a bunch of hamburger and sausage patties. I wouldn't bother buying nut flour right now because you will want to give it a little time before introducing nut flour anyway. We pretty much eat eggs of some variety and a yogurt with some sort of fruit(cooked in the beginning) for breakfast. Lunch is a cooked vegie and a meat. Dinner is the same. Initially it was pretty bland, but I'm starting to get the hang of stuff now. Feel free to email me off list to ask any specifics about recipes, food choices, ect. I've gone on long enough. Meleah scd 05/06 iel 3.5yrs. asd., Ethan 5yrs., Mark 18mths., both nt Newbie questions > Thank you all who responded. I have more to go on, and am trying to > do some menu planning. When you all do a stock up on cooking, is > there a list of staples, or certain family favorite recipes that are > worth starting on.? I am trying plan for the next two weeks. Thanks. > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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