Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

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It doesn't have to be purred. I wouldn't do nut flour so soon. Maybe do

some nut butter in a day or two. That's a bit easier to digest than the nut

flour. Also, only intoduce one new food every c ouple of days. More than

one, and too frequently could be too hard on the healing gut, and too hard

to tell if the food isn't tolerated.

Meleah

Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

> My kids are typically tough to satisfy, but they'be been quite cranky

> about looking for food a lot since starting SCD. I don't feel like I

> can keep up with the amount of food I'm cooking to keep them satisfied

> ( & they don't like everything but I'm trying).

>

> Is this kind of huge appetite typical in starting the diet, & will it

> level off at some point?

>

> Perhaps their bodies are looking for the GFCF grainy snack foods they

> were having. I'm not sure how to satisfy them without going broke - &

> falling over I'm so tired! (I'm on it myself).

>

> FYI, we finished intro yesterday. I added in some squash (very little)

> today. They had a tiny bit of almond flour that was mixed into some

> chicken pancakes for dinner.

>

> Question - must the squash be pureed? My ASD son does not eat pureed

> foods.

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

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It's very typical to see huge appetites. At this point, they may still be

craving carbs.... and it's more like the bad guys in their guts are saying " GO

GET WHAT WE NEED TO SURVIVE!!! " .... rather than them being truly hungry due to

needing more calories. As they switch over to this new way of digesting food, it

*should* get better with time.

In the meantime, you may find you have to cook twice as much of everything......

I mean, when chickens go on sale, buy TWO whole chickens and roast them BOTH. As

long as you have the oven going, you might as well cook two, right? Not that

much extra work. You'll find your fridge is overflowing and your pantry is

almost empty.

Too bad you can't hire a teenager to come in and help you in the kitchen for a

few hours a week. Might be a good idea.

If your son chews his food well, nothing needs to be pureed..... but keep in

mind that everything needs to be easy to digest at first. Maybe some things

could just be well mashed, if he's not a great chewer?

Patti

Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

My kids are typically tough to satisfy, but they'be been quite cranky

about looking for food a lot since starting SCD. I don't feel like I

can keep up with the amount of food I'm cooking to keep them satisfied

( & they don't like everything but I'm trying).

Is this kind of huge appetite typical in starting the diet, & will it

level off at some point?

Perhaps their bodies are looking for the GFCF grainy snack foods they

were having. I'm not sure how to satisfy them without going broke - &

falling over I'm so tired! (I'm on it myself).

FYI, we finished intro yesterday. I added in some squash (very little)

today. They had a tiny bit of almond flour that was mixed into some

chicken pancakes for dinner.

Question - must the squash be pureed? My ASD son does not eat pureed

foods.

Thanks, Michele

[Guest guest]

We're only 4 days in, so I figured we wouldn't be trying yogurt

until 1m in; is that okay or can we start sooner?

Also, when is it okay to start almond flour? I've used a tiny bit

already in a few things but not much. They are really wanting

waffles/muffins etc for breakfast. It's the worst meal of the day to

get through with them so far.

Thanks!

Michele

>

> Dear Michele:

>

> Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed to

satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons of

coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and 3

cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe will

make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just add

less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added egg

yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once your

child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to salicylates,

1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as well.

I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

>

> Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites are

not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> UC SCD 12/04

> 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would try making pancakes and/or waffles with nut butter first..... nut flour

later. It's just easier to digest.... smoother.

Have you tried the banana pancakes yet? They are AMAZING.... and you can

barely believe there is no flour in them. I put a little butter and honey on

top.

It's just one banana, mashed.... and two eggs. If the bananas are small, I do it

with one egg, but if they're medium/large, I do two. Mash the banana well,

beat the eggs and mix with the banana. Heat a pan or griddle, just like you

would for regular pancakes.

I fry them in butter... but coconut oil would work well. Make them small

(silver dollar-ish size works well) or they'll be hard to flip. You might have

to trial and error on getting just the right size and temp, and length of

cooking time... but once you get it, they are just SO good and easy. I melt a

little butter and add honey to it.... to make a yummy syrup.

Patti

Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

We're only 4 days in, so I figured we wouldn't be trying yogurt

until 1m in; is that okay or can we start sooner?

Also, when is it okay to start almond flour? I've used a tiny bit

already in a few things but not much. They are really wanting

waffles/muffins etc for breakfast. It's the worst meal of the day to

get through with them so far.

Thanks!

Michele

>

> Dear Michele:

>

> Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed to

satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons of

coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and 3

cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe will

make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just add

less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added egg

yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once your

child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to salicylates,

1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as well.

I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

>

> Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites are

not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> UC SCD 12/04

> 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had no idea I could try nut butters before nut flours; somehow I

missed that. I'll try it but hopefully my autistic kiddo is okay

with it. I only have peanut butter but he may be sensitive to that.

Does anyone get almond butter; is there such a thing or do I just

grind the flour up until it gets butter consistency?

The banana pancakes sound great - they would love that.

Thank you,

Michele

> >

> > Dear Michele:

> >

> > Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

> beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

> just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed

to

> satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons

of

> coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and

3

> cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

> alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe

will

> make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

> smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

> little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just

add

> less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added

egg

> yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once

your

> child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to

salicylates,

> 1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as

well.

> I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

> >

> > Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites

are

> not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> > UC SCD 12/04

> > 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> > 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can get almond butter at some grocery stores...usually the more upscale

ones...and at health food stores. You can make it yourself as well.

Meleah

Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

>I had no idea I could try nut butters before nut flours; somehow I

> missed that. I'll try it but hopefully my autistic kiddo is okay

> with it. I only have peanut butter but he may be sensitive to that.

> Does anyone get almond butter; is there such a thing or do I just

> grind the flour up until it gets butter consistency?

>

> The banana pancakes sound great - they would love that.

>

> Thank you,

> Michele

>

>

>> >

>> > Dear Michele:

>> >

>> > Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

>> beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

>> just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed

> to

>> satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons

> of

>> coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and

> 3

>> cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

>> alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe

> will

>> make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

>> smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

>> little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just

> add

>> less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added

> egg

>> yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once

> your

>> child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to

> salicylates,

>> 1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as

> well.

>> I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

>> >

>> > Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites

> are

>> not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

>> > UC SCD 12/04

>> > 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

>> > 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

>> >

>> >

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You can grind your own almond butter.... start with blanched almonds (no

skins... lemme know if you don't know how to blanch them) and use a really

heavy-duty food processer..... OR one of those blade type coffee grinders (I use

one for coffee and another dedicated one for nut butters and grinding spices,

etc.). You really can't successfully make almond butter from almond flour, I

don't think...... you need to start with the whole nuts.

Pecan butter is pretty well tolerated by beginners (you'll need to add a bit of

oil of some kind to get a smooth product).... or hazelnut butter, or macadamia

butter (Maranatha brand... or maybe Arrowhead Mills... or Trader Joe's?).

Cashew butter might be well tolerated but cashews are the starchiest of all nuts

and Elaine felt we should not recommend it for beginners.... and should only

ever use it in small amounts.

Patti

Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

I had no idea I could try nut butters before nut flours; somehow I

missed that. I'll try it but hopefully my autistic kiddo is okay

with it. I only have peanut butter but he may be sensitive to that.

Does anyone get almond butter; is there such a thing or do I just

grind the flour up until it gets butter consistency?

The banana pancakes sound great - they would love that.

Thank you,

Michele

> >

> > Dear Michele:

> >

> > Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

> beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

> just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed

to

> satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons

of

> coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and

3

> cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

> alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe

will

> make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

> smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

> little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just

add

> less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added

egg

> yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once

your

> child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to

salicylates,

> 1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as

well.

> I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

> >

> > Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites

are

> not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> > UC SCD 12/04

> > 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> > 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My daughter cannot have anything but almonds; all other tree nuts

are out.

I have 25 lbs of almond flour! I was hoping I could make almond

butter out of it but I guess not.

Thanks, Michele

> > >

> > > Dear Michele:

> > >

> > > Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in

the

> > beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt

(I

> > just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is

supposed

> to

> > satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons

> of

> > coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey,

and

> 3

> > cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you

add

> > alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This

recipe

> will

> > make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

> > smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give

a

> > little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well,

just

> add

> > less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added

> egg

> > yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once

> your

> > child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to

> salicylates,

> > 1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as

> well.

> > I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as

well.

> > >

> > > Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there

appetites

> are

> > not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> > > UC SCD 12/04

> > > 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> > > 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

> > >

> > >

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I honestly don't think it will work... you could try. I'd use a coffee grinder

and suggest maybe adding a bit of oil. But, I doubt you could get it as smooth

as almond butter that's ground commercially.... so it will probably not be too

great for a brand new beginnner. Give it a try and let me know what your results

are.

Is your almond flour made from blanched almonds? Or does it have the dark brown

specks from the skins?

Patti

Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

I have 25 lbs of almond flour! I was hoping I could make almond

butter out of it but I guess not.

Thanks, Michele

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I did the very same thing to my son...made him a smoothie with

homemade goat yoghurt, a very ripe banana, peeled and well cooked

strawberries(til they were mush) and a little honey and a little ice

in the blender. Once I saw that he could tolerate ripe bananas I

knew I could get him to eat the goat yogurt that way. Thank You God!

whew. My son is constantly eating too. And I only have to deal with

him so far!

Trish

>

> Dear Michele:

>

> Very hungry kiddos are very typical for SCD, especially in the

beginning. What I do to satiate their appetite is goat yogurt (I

just started using it) and coconut oil. Coconut oil is supposed to

satiate the appetite and feed the brain. I put 2-4 tablespoons of

coconut oil, 2 ripe bananas, 1 cup of water, a little honey, and 3

cups of ice in a blender and make a banana smoothie. If you add

alot of ice the consistency will be like ice cream. This recipe will

make 3 large smoothies. They freeze well also. I love this

smoothie and it really fills you up. The coconut oil may give a

little nausea feeling if they are not absorbing fats well, just add

less oil next time. You can slowly build up. I have also added egg

yolks to this smoothie for a protein shake for breakfast. Once your

child is using flours and if they are not sensitive to salicylates,

1/2 cup of almond flour make a delicious banana smoothie as well.

I've used walnut flour and hazlenut flour in the recipe as well.

>

> Also, once you can start giving yogurt, I find there appetites are

not as voracious. I hope this helps. Eileen Brown

> UC SCD 12/04

> 8 yr old daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> 5 yr old daughter eczema SCD 9/05

>

>

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>> I have 25 lbs of almond flour! I was hoping I could make almond butter

out of it but I guess not. <<

Michele,

Pop it in the freezer -- it'll keep for a good long while until she's ready

for the nut flour goodies.

-- Marilyn (New Orleans, Louisiana, USA)

Undiagnosed IBS 25 Years, SCD Five Years

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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It did work! I made pancakes with almond butter instead of flour.

Hopefully that's okay (we're in the first week).

The only food I'm suspicious of right now were the cooked pears. My

ASD son got some (mild) diahrea which went away very quickly & baby

got some mushed cooked pears yesterday & has had a diaper rash since

then that I can't get rid of. It may be the pears or maybe not.

Thanks, Michele

>

> I honestly don't think it will work... you could try. I'd use a

coffee grinder and suggest maybe adding a bit of oil. But, I doubt

you could get it as smooth as almond butter that's ground

commercially.... so it will probably not be too great for a brand

new beginnner. Give it a try and let me know what your results are.

>

> Is your almond flour made from blanched almonds? Or does it have

the dark brown specks from the skins?

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

>

>

> I have 25 lbs of almond flour! I was hoping I could make almond

> butter out of it but I guess not.

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

>

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Michele,

I don't think almond butter would a good food to start in your first week. Look

at the chart at www.pecanbread.com under food prep and there is a link for

stages. The first week should be variations of the intro and possibly some

cooked fruit or cooked, peeled and seeded veggies.

Charlene

Uc 8 years

SCD almost 6 years

It did work! I made pancakes with almond butter instead of flour.

Hopefully that's okay (we're in the first week).

The only food I'm suspicious of right now were the cooked pears. My

ASD son got some (mild) diahrea which went away very quickly & baby

got some mushed cooked pears yesterday & has had a diaper rash since

then that I can't get rid of. It may be the pears or maybe not.

Thanks, Michele

>

> I honestly don't think it will work... you could try. I'd use a

coffee grinder and suggest maybe adding a bit of oil. But, I doubt

you could get it as smooth as almond butter that's ground

commercially.... so it will probably not be too great for a brand

new beginnner. Give it a try and let me know what your results are.

>

> Is your almond flour made from blanched almonds? Or does it have

the dark brown specks from the skins?

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

>

>

> I have 25 lbs of almond flour! I was hoping I could make almond

> butter out of it but I guess not.

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

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Did you try the banana pancakes? What about pancakes with pureed squash? My

daughter loves the " pumpkin pie filling " (pecanbread.com).... only I make it

with pureed butternut squash.

Patti

Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

They are so bored & cranky; breakfast time has been just awful. I

don't know how to feed them anymore.

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Yes, I did. They enjoyed them but left them very hungry still. They

ate so many too; I couldn't make anymore! Maybe with the smoothies

will be better; 2 out of 4 liked those today. Keeping them satisfied

is very difficult.

I have squash I can use for the pancakes again too; they were " okay "

with those; not loving them though. Took a while to even warm up to

them.

Do you use the pumpkin pie filling in pancakes too?

There are so many eggs on this diet so far. Not sure if that could

be a problem but if I take those away I can't feed them at all; at

least not breakfast...

Thanks, Michele

>

> Did you try the banana pancakes? What about pancakes with pureed

squash? My daughter loves the " pumpkin pie filling "

(pecanbread.com).... only I make it with pureed butternut squash.

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Day 3 - very hungry kiddos

>

>

> They are so bored & cranky; breakfast time has been just awful.

I

> don't know how to feed them anymore.

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Michele,

I have not tried the pumpkin pie filling as a pancake batter. Might have to

experiment with the amount of egg/squash.... but it could be done.

You said:

<<There are so many eggs on this diet so far. Not sure if that could

be a problem but if I take those away I can't feed them at all; at

least not breakfast...>>

Keep in mind that you don't HAVE to serve " breakfast foods " at breakfast. There

is nothing wrong with having leftover dinner or whatever for breakfast.

Consider doing something like a meatloaf.... with ground pork (no additives),

seasoned with sage, salt and pepper.... so that it would taste something like

breakfast sausage. You could make it the night before and serve it sliced in the

morning.... with a couple of squash pancakes or a coconut fruit smoothie.

Or, you could make spagetti sauce for dinner (make a LOT, if you're going to the

trouble..... I have tomatoes coming out my ears here right now.... wish I could

" fax " you some!).... and serve it and some little meatballs over left-over

spagetti squash for breakfast. RE-fried spagetti squash topped with sauce is a

fine breakfast. Why not? Top with some grated Jack cheese. Mmmmmmm....

They will not ALWAYS be so obsessed with food..... REALLY!

Patti

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>

>

> They are so bored & cranky; breakfast time has been just awful.

I

> don't know how to feed them anymore.

>

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> Or, you could make spagetti sauce for dinner (make a LOT, if you're

going to the trouble..... I have tomatoes coming out my ears here

right now.... wish I could " fax " you some!).... and serve it and some

little meatballs over left-over spagetti squash for breakfast. RE-

fried spagetti squash topped with sauce is a fine breakfast. Why not?

Top with some grated Jack cheese. Mmmmmmm....

Well, again we're quite limited so it gets tiring. Haven't tried

tomatoes yet; still week 1 so maybe too early? No cheese yet either.

The only dairy I'll try next is the yogurt maybe within a week or two,

but most likely with raw goat's first.

Thanks, Michele

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Oh, yeah.... forgot about the dairy thing. You're definitely right on trying

goat cheese first... but later on.

Tomatoes, when you are ready...(and I think you could probably start this before

very long)..... if you do a sauce, you could start with canned tomato juice,

like you do for SCD ketchup, and cook it down (that way there's no seeds or

skins to deal with), ground meat, dried basil, oregano, garlic....

sorry..... RUNNING out the door...

patti

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> Or, you could make spagetti sauce for dinner (make a LOT, if you're

going to the trouble..... I have tomatoes coming out my ears here

right now.... wish I could " fax " you some!).... and serve it and some

little meatballs over left-over spagetti squash for breakfast. RE-

fried spagetti squash topped with sauce is a fine breakfast. Why not?

Top with some grated Jack cheese. Mmmmmmm....

Well, again we're quite limited so it gets tiring. Haven't tried

tomatoes yet; still week 1 so maybe too early? No cheese yet either.

The only dairy I'll try next is the yogurt maybe within a week or two,

but most likely with raw goat's first.

Thanks, Michele

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Here is a recipe that was posted earlier this year. My hubby can't do

many bananas yet, so we substitute apple or pear sauce. We also add

additional honey for his sweet tooth. Sometimes I'll add yogurt to

mine to make it creamier, but it's not needed. -Sharon

" from pecanbread

Grits Posted by: " play4violins " violins4@... play4violins

Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:41 pm (PDT)

Hi, This may be silly to share but I had what I thought would be a

disaster for breakfast this morning but it turned out great instead. I

mixed butternut squash, banana and egg in the food processor and tried

frying it like a pancake. Not surprisingly, it didn't stick together

and became grainy mush. I thought I was going to have one more dish

that my daughter would refuse to eat (I'm really tired of wasting

expensive food). Instead she tried a bite and said " yum. It's really

good. It tastes like grits. " I tried a bite and it was really

delicious and did seem seem like a yummy breakfast cereal. It might

just become a favorite here. Kara "

>

> >

> > Did you try the banana pancakes? What about pancakes with pureed

> squash? My daughter loves the " pumpkin pie filling "

> (pecanbread.com).... only I make it with pureed butternut squash.

> >

> >