Honey, Fruit Sugar and Yeast/ from Mimi

[Guest guest]

Reposting this- written by Mimi and including some info from Elaine, and

Sheila, on honey and yeast... posted in 2004.

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HONEY Why can have honey and fruit on SCD despite the yeast?.

There are two reasons for this.

1)Honey has predigested sugars which are most likely to cross the

intestinal absorptive surface into the blood steam and thereby be

inaccessible for intestinal yeast and bacteria.(From Elaine)

2)The yeast lives in a biofilm inside our intestines.Biofilms are

comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive

environment for other bacteria and larger organisms

The yeast cannot flourish in our gut without the other gut pathogens

If we cut down on the other gut pathogens with SCD then the yeast

cannot do well.

Below are excerpts from this website:

http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/Education/biofilm/intro.htm#intro

What Are Biofilm Communities? Biofilms are a hot topic in microbiology

today. Scientists are studying the ways bacterial colonies form these

slimey layers, which can be resistant to antiobiotics and the immune

system, in hopes that new information will help us understand how the

layers form, adhere to surfaces, and how they can be prevented.

Biofilms moved to the forefront of microbiology after a 1994 case that

involved the infection of hundreds of asthmatics. It was found that

all the asthmatics used the same inhalant contaminated with a

bacterium known as Pseudomonas aeruginosa. This bacterium was able to

survive the routine disinfection of the inhalant during manufacturing

by forming a biofilm comprised of many colonies. The contaminated

inhalers contained pieces of the biofilm which were transported

directly to the lung tissue by the asthmatics. In the lung tissue the

Pseudomonas biofilm was able to flourish. One hundred people died from

the biofilm infection, a dramatic example of the danger posed by some

bacterial biofilms.

Biofilms can be found in many areas of the human body and the

environment. Teeth, intestines, medical devices, contact lenses,

drainage pipes, and the bottoms of ships. The common demoniator is all

the biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide

an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms.

Biofilms found on the hull of a ship consist of large organisms like

barnacles, mussels, and host of other zooplankton and phytoplankton.

These biofilms slow a ship and are expensive to remove and prevent.

Current methods to prevent biofilm formation on ships include a wide

variety of toxic marine paints. However, these paints tend to wear off

and biofilms which are resistant form on them without regard to the

toxins.

More on biofilms

http://www.uib.no/ums/magazine/teaching/Biofilm/biolfilm.htm

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/e/jel5/biofilms/primer.html

From Elaine:

For those who are terribly worried about honey, I would say, " start

very slowly " and try it out.

WHY COOKED FRUITS CAN BE EATEN IF A CHILD HAS YEAST

Elaine Gottschall wrote:

If there is an overgrowth of yeast in the bowel, the fruit sugars

should not be feeding them, especially if the fruits are cooked. It is

only the sugars and starches that are not broken down and absorbed

which get to the lower bowel to feed the microbes (yeast and

bacteria). The sugars in fruit are contained within a cell surrounded

by a " fence " cell wall of cellulose which is rigid. When they are

given raw, often the milking action of the small intestine cannot

sufficiently milk out the sugars because of the rigid cell wall and

they are passed on to the lower bowel to feed microbes.

By softening the cell wall with cooking, we will avoid this. I have

seen too many children recover with a balanced diet with the valuable

nutrients of fruits to outlaw fruits.

If you want to experiment, fine. I find I must prioritize each step of

the way and to give up fruit because of the fruit sugar does not sit

well with me because of what I have said above.

Furthermore, the gurues who suggest this often allow grains which are

so bad because the starch is all sugar which is unlikely to be broken

down and absorbed and will feed and overfeed the lower bowel microbes.

INTRODUCING FRUIT

From Two Posts by Sheila:

If you decide to try fruit you should start with cooked, peeled,

deseeded fruit like homemade applesauce or pear sauce. Ripe bananas

(lots of spots on the peel) are also good to start with. When she is

handling that okay then try peeled raw fruit like apple. The most

important thing is to go slow adding new things so you can judge if

she tolerates them well and also in case she does have a reaction that

it won't take to long to rebound from setbacks.

Sheila, SCD 25 mos, UC 20 yrs

This may sound a bit weird but since doesn't tolerate any seeds

yet if I am going to give him strawberries I actually cut off the

seeds on the outside and then slice up the rest. I have also been

known to peel grapes for him. He does okay with raw apple but only if

I peel that also. Raw pineapple goes right through but legal canned

pineapple seems okay.

Sheila

[Every child is different,observe your child carefully]

[Guest guest]

Fix " HONEY Why can " we " have honey and fruit on SCD despite the yeast? " Jenn L

Honey, Fruit Sugar and Yeast/ from Mimi

Reposting this- written by Mimi and including some info from Elaine, and

Sheila, on honey and yeast... posted in 2004.

-----------------

HONEY Why can have honey and fruit on SCD despite the yeast?.

There are two reasons for this.

1)Honey has predigested sugars which are most likely to cross the

intestinal absorptive surface into the blood steam and thereby be

inaccessible for intestinal yeast and bacteria.(From Elaine)

2)The yeast lives in a biofilm inside our intestines.Biofilms are

comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive

environment for other bacteria and larger organisms

The yeast cannot flourish in our gut without the other gut pathogens

If we cut down on the other gut pathogens with SCD then the yeast

cannot do well.

Below are excerpts from this website:

http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/Education/biofilm/intro.htm#intro

What Are Biofilm Communities? Biofilms are a hot topic in microbiology

today. Scientists are studying the ways bacterial colonies form these

slimey layers, which can be resistant to antiobiotics and the immune

system, in hopes that new information will help us understand how the

layers form, adhere to surfaces, and how they can be prevented.

Biofilms moved to the forefront of microbiology after a 1994 case that

involved the infection of hundreds of asthmatics. It was found that

all the asthmatics used the same inhalant contaminated with a

bacterium known as Pseudomonas aeruginosa. This bacterium was able to

survive the routine disinfection of the inhalant during manufacturing

by forming a biofilm comprised of many colonies. The contaminated

inhalers contained pieces of the biofilm which were transported

directly to the lung tissue by the asthmatics. In the lung tissue the

Pseudomonas biofilm was able to flourish. One hundred people died from

the biofilm infection, a dramatic example of the danger posed by some

bacterial biofilms.

Biofilms can be found in many areas of the human body and the

environment. Teeth, intestines, medical devices, contact lenses,

drainage pipes, and the bottoms of ships. The common demoniator is all

the biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide

an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms.

Biofilms found on the hull of a ship consist of large organisms like

barnacles, mussels, and host of other zooplankton and phytoplankton.

These biofilms slow a ship and are expensive to remove and prevent.

Current methods to prevent biofilm formation on ships include a wide

variety of toxic marine paints. However, these paints tend to wear off

and biofilms which are resistant form on them without regard to the

toxins.

More on biofilms

http://www.uib.no/ums/magazine/teaching/Biofilm/biolfilm.htm

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/e/jel5/biofilms/primer.html

From Elaine:

For those who are terribly worried about honey, I would say, " start

very slowly " and try it out.

WHY COOKED FRUITS CAN BE EATEN IF A CHILD HAS YEAST

Elaine Gottschall wrote:

If there is an overgrowth of yeast in the bowel, the fruit sugars

should not be feeding them, especially if the fruits are cooked. It is

only the sugars and starches that are not broken down and absorbed

which get to the lower bowel to feed the microbes (yeast and

bacteria). The sugars in fruit are contained within a cell surrounded

by a " fence " cell wall of cellulose which is rigid. When they are

given raw, often the milking action of the small intestine cannot

sufficiently milk out the sugars because of the rigid cell wall and

they are passed on to the lower bowel to feed microbes.

By softening the cell wall with cooking, we will avoid this. I have

seen too many children recover with a balanced diet with the valuable

nutrients of fruits to outlaw fruits.

If you want to experiment, fine. I find I must prioritize each step of

the way and to give up fruit because of the fruit sugar does not sit

well with me because of what I have said above.

Furthermore, the gurues who suggest this often allow grains which are

so bad because the starch is all sugar which is unlikely to be broken

down and absorbed and will feed and overfeed the lower bowel microbes.

INTRODUCING FRUIT

From Two Posts by Sheila:

If you decide to try fruit you should start with cooked, peeled,

deseeded fruit like homemade applesauce or pear sauce. Ripe bananas

(lots of spots on the peel) are also good to start with. When she is

handling that okay then try peeled raw fruit like apple. The most

important thing is to go slow adding new things so you can judge if

she tolerates them well and also in case she does have a reaction that

it won't take to long to rebound from setbacks.

Sheila, SCD 25 mos, UC 20 yrs

This may sound a bit weird but since doesn't tolerate any seeds

yet if I am going to give him strawberries I actually cut off the

seeds on the outside and then slice up the rest. I have also been

known to peel grapes for him. He does okay with raw apple but only if

I peel that also. Raw pineapple goes right through but legal canned

pineapple seems okay.

Sheila

[Every child is different,observe your child carefully]