Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 , This is die off! Here are some tips: Activated Charcoal for a brief time.Do not take it during meal times. Some have found that epsom salts baths can also relieve some sypmtoms of die-off. Here is a saved message regarding this: Start with 1 cup of salts in waist deep water and soak for at least 20 minutes. If this is tolerated go up to 2 cups of salts per bath. If it is not well tolerated (hyperness, irritability, whining), cut the dose to 1/2 a cup. or less until you get to a point it is tolerated. Mimi > I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very > tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so > shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and > my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the > whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've > slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy > in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better. > > Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what? > > > 34, Celiac, day three of SCD > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 , There is no way we could know whether this could be hypoglycemia. If one is following SCD as prescribed in the book, you should not have hypoglycemia, because there are plenty of carbs allowed. If you tend to have a problem with hypoglycemia, or have some other reason to think you have it, you may need to talk to your doctor. Are you modifying SCD and eating mostly protein, very low carb? Die-off symptoms can be awful. Taking activated charcoal capsules can help absorb the toxins. Epsom salts baths also help. Patti Awful die off?? I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better. Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what? 34, Celiac, day three of SCD _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 > > By the way.... > > I'm only eating meat and eggs up until about ten minutes ago. I wanted to go > two days with things I absolutely knew agreed with me. I added a few slices > of goat cheese this afternoon, and just now, I ate a tiny bit of grape juice > jello. Hopefully that will help with the energy. > > ~ > > You could be exoeriencing ketosis. Why aren't you eating other things on the Intro Diet? Do not do that diet for more than 3-5 days. usually people do only 2 days. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Patti, I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD legal carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood sugar wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat. ~ > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: <pecanbread > >Subject: Re: Awful die off?? >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:47:32 -0700 > >, > >There is no way we could know whether this could be hypoglycemia. If one is >following SCD as prescribed in the book, you should not have hypoglycemia, >because there are plenty of carbs allowed. > >If you tend to have a problem with hypoglycemia, or have some other reason >to think you have it, you may need to talk to your doctor. > >Are you modifying SCD and eating mostly protein, very low carb? > >Die-off symptoms can be awful. Taking activated charcoal capsules can help >absorb the toxins. Epsom salts baths also help. > >Patti > Awful die off?? > > > I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very > tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt >so > shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, >and > my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took >the > whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, >I've > slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really >foggy > in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better. > > Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what? > > > 34, Celiac, day three of SCD > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 , To be honest, I don't know if SCD is a good idea for you if you truly can't tolerate ANY of the fruits or vegetables. You MUST have some source of carbs. What carbs were you eating before SCD? Grains and potatoes? Patti Re: Awful die off?? Patti, I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD legal carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood sugar wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation! I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal? Thanks for helping me through this. ~ > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: <pecanbread > >Subject: Re: Awful die off?? >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:53:47 -0700 > >, > >To be honest, I don't know if SCD is a good idea for you if you truly can't >tolerate ANY of the fruits or vegetables. You MUST have some source of >carbs. > >What carbs were you eating before SCD? Grains and potatoes? > >Patti > Re: Awful die off?? > > > Patti, > > I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD >legal > carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood >sugar > wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not > terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat. > > ~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD > carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation! > > I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if > someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does > tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or > is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal? > > Thanks for helping me through this. > > ~ > Bremda, When I started SCD I had a very compromised immune system. The clothes on my back actually hurt me and eating brought pain. Within a few days I was able to eat in relative comfort. I could eat eggs and cheese, which I could not touch before. An allergist had included rice on my OK list and I had been having quite a bit of it and attributing symptoms to the meat it was served with. Give yourself more time. The bad bacteria are putting up a battle to survive now that their starch and sugary favotite foods are denied them. Carol F, Celiac, SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > In that case, I will continue with the SCD until I am totally convinced it > will not work for me. It's the gastroparesis that's messing things up. I'm > almost positive. My stomach just does not want much at all. > > Onward I go, with meat, eggs, a touch of cheese, a touch of bone broth, and > grape jello. I'll try green beans, cooked, and pureed in a day or so...... > > Thanks guys. Don't know what I'd do without you! > > ~ Wait until you see what you can do WITH us. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > > > I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD > > carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation! > > > > I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if > > someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does > > tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or > > is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal? > > > > Thanks for helping me through this. > > > > ~ > > > Bremda, > When I started SCD I had a very compromised immune system. The clothes on my back > actually hurt me and eating brought pain. Within a few days I was able to eat in relative > comfort. I could eat eggs and cheese, which I could not touch before. An allergist had > included rice on my OK list and I had been having quite a bit of it and attributing > symptoms to the meat it was served with. > > Give yourself more time. The bad bacteria are putting up a battle to survive now that their > starch and sugary favotite foods are denied them. > > Carol F, > Celiac, SCD 6 years > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > Dear Carol, > I understand what you're saying in your answer to , but I > often wonder about using too much grape juice, even though it is a > monosaccharide and not a dissacharride. It's still very sweet, as is > the honey too. For years I struggled with anxiety and stayed away > from all sweet things which only added to my being reactive. Now I am > using the honey and grape juice but wonder if these two be feeding > the bad bacteria at all? > Thanks! > Ronnie, I make one recipe that creates four little custard cups of grape gelatin and it is diluted with half water and half juice as you need water to dissolve the powdered gelatin. I sometimes add grape juice to cooking as I would wine and it gets dilutes into pan juices. I find it too sweet as a thirst quenching drink, again, always diluted. There is no defined amount of grape juice so use common sense. I also do not overdo juice in geberal as I like the fiber in whole fruit. (raisns are my downfall and I only but a few ounces at a time). Carol F. Celiac, SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Sounds like hypoglycemia did you feel anxious? > > I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very > tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so > shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and > my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the > whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've > slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy > in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better. > > Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what? > > > 34, Celiac, day three of SCD > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 , At this point, I imagine quite a few foods that are SCD legal are going to cause you *some* symptoms.... but if the only carbs you've been eating pre-SCD were corn and sugar, I think you've got so much going on die-off-wise that I'm not sure you would be able to tell what was die-off and what was " not tolerating " a food. We are to avoid any foods that cause ANAPHYLACTIC type reactions.... permanently... but you are going to HAVE to include some SCD legal carb sources, EVEN IF they cause you some slight discomfort. If necessary, just eat a little tiny bit every two hours. Even ONE BITE of something like pureed squash or applesauce every two hours would be better than eating nothing but eggs and meat and a tiny bit of grape jello. You need more carbs! PLEASE read the other posts I sent today about yeast, honey and the dangers of doing a low-carb version of SCD. Patti Re: Awful die off?? I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation! I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal? Thanks for helping me through this. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > Carol and Ronnie, > > It was my understanding that ANY SCD legal carb would not feed yeast. That's > the whole idea of the diet, right?? > > ~ I am not familiar with this. Elaine advised those with yeast concerns tio be prudent in the amount of honey used. legal carbs do not feed bad intestinal bacteria to the extent that illegals do. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Patti, Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some meat and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will try and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling. I'm sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my stomach, I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for people with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/ Keep hangin' in there with me! :-) ~ Celiac, 34, day five on SCD > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: <pecanbread > >Subject: Re: Awful die off?? >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:28:48 -0700 > >, > >At this point, I imagine quite a few foods that are SCD legal are going to >cause you *some* symptoms.... but if the only carbs you've been eating >pre-SCD were corn and sugar, I think you've got so much going on >die-off-wise that I'm not sure you would be able to tell what was die-off >and what was " not tolerating " a food. We are to avoid any foods that cause >ANAPHYLACTIC type reactions.... permanently... but you are going to HAVE >to include some SCD legal carb sources, EVEN IF they cause you some slight >discomfort. > >If necessary, just eat a little tiny bit every two hours. Even ONE BITE of >something like pureed squash or applesauce every two hours would be better >than eating nothing but eggs and meat and a tiny bit of grape jello. You >need more carbs! > >PLEASE read the other posts I sent today about yeast, honey and the dangers >of doing a low-carb version of SCD. > >Patti > Re: Awful die off?? > > > I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non >SCD > carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation! > > I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. >Maybe if > someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. >Does > tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the >food? Or > is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal? > > Thanks for helping me through this. > > ~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 , I hope the gastroparesis is something that will improve (??). In the meantime, I imagine just pureeing any vegetable or fruit you take in would at least get it past your stomach more quickly, as it would not have to break it down. I'm wondering if, in your case, it might be better to eat your meat or eggs separately from the veggies or fruit.... so your stomach does not have to do the work of breaking down the protein food while the dreaded fiber-laden veggie is in there?? You might try that.... alternate every two hours... a little meat or eggs, then two hours later, a few bites of pureed veg. You might even put your pureed green beans through a mesh strainer/sieve.... to take any stringy extra-fibrous parts out. Patti Re: Awful die off?? Patti, Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some meat and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will try and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling. I'm sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my stomach, I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for people with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/ Keep hangin' in there with me! :-) ~ Celiac, 34, day five on SCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Patti, I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits yet). That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ?? Go figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is to actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that had some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot better time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense. I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if any of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems like it would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still clumps in it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get it more like baby food. Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!! ~ Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: <pecanbread > >Subject: Re: Awful die off?? >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:36:48 -0700 > >, > >I hope the gastroparesis is something that will improve (??). In the >meantime, I imagine just pureeing any vegetable or fruit you take in would >at least get it past your stomach more quickly, as it would not have to >break it down. > >I'm wondering if, in your case, it might be better to eat your meat or eggs >separately from the veggies or fruit.... so your stomach does not have to >do the work of breaking down the protein food while the dreaded fiber-laden >veggie is in there?? You might try that.... alternate every two hours... a >little meat or eggs, then two hours later, a few bites of pureed veg. > >You might even put your pureed green beans through a mesh >strainer/sieve.... to take any stringy extra-fibrous parts out. > >Patti > Re: Awful die off?? > > > Patti, > > Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this > email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some >meat > and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will >try > and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling. >I'm > sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my >stomach, > I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so > great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for >people > with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/ > > Keep hangin' in there with me! :-) > > ~ > Celiac, 34, day five on SCD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I guess I meant to sort of press the food through the sieve/strainer... just to remove the larger, stringier bits, not ALL of the fiber. If you can get a fine puree with your blender, then great. I use a hand blender which works really well. Patti Re: Awful die off?? Patti, I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits yet). That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ?? Go figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is to actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that had some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot better time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense. I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if any of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems like it would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still clumps in it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get it more like baby food. Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!! ~ Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Oh, ok. That makes more sense. I apologize......die off also means die off of brain cells, evidently. :-) Come to think of it, I have a hand blender too. Guess it's time to bring it out! ~ > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: <pecanbread > >Subject: Re: Awful die off?? >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:38:18 -0700 > >I guess I meant to sort of press the food through the sieve/strainer... >just to remove the larger, stringier bits, not ALL of the fiber. If you can >get a fine puree with your blender, then great. I use a hand blender which >works really well. > >Patti > Re: Awful die off?? > > > Patti, > > I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits >yet). > That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs > separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ?? >Go > figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is >to > actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that >had > some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot >better > time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense. > > I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if >any > of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems >like it > would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor > really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still >clumps in > it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get >it > more like baby food. > > Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!! > > ~ > Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi , How are you feeling now? Any better? I'm celiac too and had very similar symptoms after 3 days on acidophilus pills (pre-scd). I also am allergic to most vegetables. Merika > > I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very > > tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so > > shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and > > my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the > > whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've > > slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy > > in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better. > > > > Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what? > > > > > > 34, Celiac, day three of SCD > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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