RE: health care in the States...

[Guest guest]

You mean which one is the lesser evil?Uncle Sam has his nose so far

up..., never mind.Thats a tough call.I think we all suffer one way

or another.I dont think its about the insurance, I think its about

peoples morals and ethics, or where they are lacking.Are dr.s such

because they want to heal, or because its a great $maker?I know we

all need to make a buck, but i dont think someone should be so

shallow as to make this their purpose in life and in doing so allow

slack in character, ya know?

Patty

> This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night.

Let me

> know what you guys think? Which do you think is more beneficial

for

> people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care

and

> research is needed:

> 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

never

> have much of a choice which doctor I see - and I think this

makes

> them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and

I

> have to see them

>

> OR

>

> 2. the US system. Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> choice.

>

> I always wonder. I find the health care here aweful for

specialties.

> When you break a lef, hey its great. but otherwise I am not so

> convinced.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The USA health care is great if you have good insurance. I am not

sure how good it is if you do not have insurance.

Gale

> This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night.

Let me

> know what you guys think? Which do you think is more beneficial

for

> people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care and

> research is needed:

> 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

never

> have much of a choice which doctor I see - and I think this makes

> them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and

I

> have to see them

>

> OR

>

> 2. the US system. Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> choice.

>

> I always wonder. I find the health care here aweful for

specialties.

> When you break a lef, hey its great. but otherwise I am not so

> convinced.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Natalia,

I speak for the state of Tennessee, where I live. By law, all

children under 18 are insure, either by the state or private. But if

the parents are in certain higher bracket and no insurance is

available, unless the disease is catastrophic, cf is, you are out of

luck. But, there is nothing like private insurance, which has its

glitches. We have PPO's and HMO's, so it gets rather complicated.

To summarize, it stinks, either way, it stinks. But, this is all we

have so we are lucky that we have it. There are two evils, public

and private and which one is better, I do not know. I do know that

we are highly taxed and still we have to pay for private insurance

and private school. So, I guess you are back to point A, LOL!

Hopefully, you can get n to give you her point of you, she has

dealt with all of it longer than I have.

Love to you,

> This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night.

Let me

> know what you guys think? Which do you think is more beneficial

for

> people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care and

> research is needed:

> 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

never

> have much of a choice which doctor I see - and I think this makes

> them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and

I

> have to see them

>

> OR

>

> 2. the US system. Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> choice.

>

> I always wonder. I find the health care here aweful for

specialties.

> When you break a lef, hey its great. but otherwise I am not so

> convinced.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I quit work so i could qualify for medicaid for Tyler cuz he has a

prexisting condition that other insurances wont cover and if they

did they'd charge me my 1st born son, which is Ty so it would do me

no good(lol).In medicaid like almost everywhere, you have to pick a

plan, and then you have to choose dr.s in that plan.Really, the cf

clinic tells you who to pick....democracy at its best:)

Patty

> > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

night.

> > Let me

> > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

beneficial

> > for

> > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care

> > and

> > > research is needed:

> > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

> > never

> > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > makes

> > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid

and

> > I

> > > have to see them

> > >

> > > OR

> > >

> > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be

more

> > > choice.

> > >

> > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > specialties. 

> > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> > > convinced.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add that i coulndnt afford to quit work, so i went back,

when they find out at my review, I'll get kicked off and who knows

what they'll do to me for lying.I still dont hardly have two nickels

to rub together, we live a modest hard working life to support our 3

children, unfortunately you HAVE to have medical coverage to go to

cf clinic here or you have to pay when services rendered(seems fair

enough)I dont want to live off the system so i choose to

work.Hopefully they'll help me find an honest way to do that and

receive med. svcs for my son at the same time.

Patty

> > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> night.

> > > Let me

> > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> beneficial

> > > for

> > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized

care

> > > and

> > > > research is needed:

> > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

feel I

> > > never

> > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > > makes

> > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

paid

> and

> > > I

> > > > have to see them

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to

be

> more

> > > > choice.

> > > >

> > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > specialties. 

> > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not

so

> > > > convinced.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Leg, when you break a LEG, I'm typing too fast and writing such thing

as......breaking a lef. Silly.

On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 12:07 AM, Natalia Boguslawska wrote:

> This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night. Let me

> know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more beneficial for

> people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care and

> research is needed:

> 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I never

> have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this makes

> them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and I

> have to see them

>

> OR

>

> 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> choice.

>

> I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for specialties. 

> When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> convinced.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patty, I know what you mean.

But do you have choices in doctors, or is that not true? So can you

pick someone that you not only trust more, but also like?

> You mean which one is the lesser evil?Uncle Sam has his nose so far

> up..., never mind.Thats a tough call.I think we all suffer one way

> or another.I dont think its about the insurance, I think its about

> peoples morals and ethics, or where they are lacking.Are dr.s such

> because they want to heal, or because its a great $maker?I know we

> all need to make a buck, but i dont think someone should be so

> shallow as to make this their purpose in life and in doing so allow

> slack in character, ya know?

>

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night.

> Let me

> > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more beneficial

> for

> > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care

> and

> > research is needed:

> > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

> never

> > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> makes

> > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and

> I

> > have to see them

> >

> > OR

> >

> > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> > choice.

> >

> > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> specialties. 

> > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> > convinced.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I dont want to offend anyone either, but prayers are welcome.If you

dont pray your thoughts are just as appreciated.(hope that was P.C.

enough)

Patty

> > > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> > > night.

> > > > > Let me

> > > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> > > beneficial

> > > > > for

> > > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where

specialized

> > care

> > > > > and

> > > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

> > feel I

> > > > > never

> > > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think

this

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

> > paid

> > > and

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have to see them

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems

to

> > be

> > > more

> > > > > > choice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > > > specialties. 

> > > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am

not

> > so

> > > > > > convinced.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I have a feeling that when the group was set up, they wanted to keep

preaching out. You know what I mean, but we all do have special

thoughts to send to our higher Being. Some go your way from Memphis,

TN. The home of Elvis Presley, St. Jude Children's Hospital and,

drum roll, one of the seats of the Bible Belt, ;-)

> > > > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing

last

> > > > night.

> > > > > > Let me

> > > > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where

> specialized

> > > care

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

> > > feel I

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I

think

> this

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they

are

> > > paid

> > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > have to see them

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems

> to

> > > be

> > > > more

> > > > > > > choice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > > > > specialties. 

> > > > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I

am

> not

> > > so

> > > > > > > convinced.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

It seems the same. And yes we are lucky. I was born in Poland and

when I was diagnosed in Poland I got nothing for it. I came to Canada

on my death bed, and went into the hospital right away. A month later

I was like a new kid. On antibiotics, that's all I needed. But it was

so scary in Poland. And kids in Russia, for example are dying from CF

daily. there are horrible stories from there. Canada, and US, we are

lucky. I should not complain.

> I quit work so i could qualify for medicaid for Tyler cuz he has a

> prexisting condition that other insurances wont cover and if they

> did they'd charge me my 1st born son, which is Ty so it would do me

> no good(lol).In medicaid like almost everywhere, you have to pick a

> plan, and then you have to choose dr.s in that plan.Really, the cf

> clinic tells you who to pick....democracy at its best:)

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> night.

> > > Let me

> > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> beneficial

> > > for

> > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care

> > > and

> > > > research is needed:

> > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

> > > never

> > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > > makes

> > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid

> and

> > > I

> > > > have to see them

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be

> more

> > > > choice.

> > > >

> > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > specialties. 

> > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> > > > convinced.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Abby is lucky to have flexibility in choosing a doctor, provided that

the doctor is on the insurance list. All of the CF doctors are on the

insurance list and we think that the doctors here are great. We have

some very compassionate and dedicated doctors.

I have been told that the Children's Hospital (which includes the CF

Care Center) treats every patient the same, whether they have

insurance or not.

Gale

> > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night.

> > Let me

> > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more beneficial

> > for

> > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care

> > and

> > > research is needed:

> > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I

> > never

> > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > makes

> > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid

and

> > I

> > > have to see them

> > >

> > > OR

> > >

> > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be

more

> > > choice.

> > >

> > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > specialties. 

> > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> > > convinced.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .Right now thyere NEEDED!

Patty

> > > > > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing

> last

> > > > > night.

> > > > > > > Let me

> > > > > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> > > > > beneficial

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where

> > specialized

> > > > care

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care,

where I

> > > > feel I

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I

> think

> > this

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do,

they

> are

> > > > paid

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have to see them

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there

seems

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > choice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful

for

> > > > > > > specialties. 

> > > > > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise

I

> am

> > not

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > convinced.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Gale,

We need to send all these dim wits from Memphis CF center to your

hospital to learn a few things.

> > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

night.

> > > Let me

> > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

beneficial

> > > for

> > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized

care

> > > and

> > > > research is needed:

> > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel

I

> > > never

> > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > > makes

> > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

paid

> and

> > > I

> > > > have to see them

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be

> more

> > > > choice.

> > > >

> > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > specialties. 

> > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not

so

> > > > convinced.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I'm thinking of you. Your son and your family deserves the

best.....the last thing you should have to worry about when you have a

sick child is how to make enough to help your kid.

I want to say that I'm praying for you, but I don't want to assume your

religion, or offend anyone. So i'll say that I'm thinking of you. =)

Natalia

> I forgot to add that i coulndnt afford to quit work, so i went back,

> when they find out at my review, I'll get kicked off and who knows

> what they'll do to me for lying.I still dont hardly have two nickels

> to rub together, we live a modest hard working life to support our 3

> children, unfortunately you HAVE to have medical coverage to go to

> cf clinic here or you have to pay when services rendered(seems fair

> enough)I dont want to live off the system so i choose to

> work.Hopefully they'll help me find an honest way to do that and

> receive med. svcs for my son at the same time.

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> > night.

> > > > Let me

> > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> > beneficial

> > > > for

> > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized

> care

> > > > and

> > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

> feel I

> > > > never

> > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this

> > > > makes

> > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

> paid

> > and

> > > > I

> > > > > have to see them

> > > > >

> > > > > OR

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to

> be

> > more

> > > > > choice.

> > > > >

> > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > > specialties. 

> > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not

> so

> > > > > convinced.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Forgot to quote , " just another reason why I don't like CF

clinics "

> > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> night.

> > > > Let me

> > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> beneficial

> > > > for

> > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized

> care

> > > > and

> > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

feel

> I

> > > > never

> > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think

this

> > > > makes

> > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

> paid

> > and

> > > > I

> > > > > have to see them

> > > > >

> > > > > OR

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to

be

> > more

> > > > > choice.

> > > > >

> > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > > specialties. 

> > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am

not

> so

> > > > > convinced.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I pray all the time. Not to a particular god actually, just for faith

in something larger. To give me strength when it gets hard.

Okay, goodnight for sure. hehe

> I dont want to offend anyone either, but prayers are welcome.If you

> dont pray your thoughts are just as appreciated.(hope that was P.C.

> enough)

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > > This is something that me and my mom were discussing last

> > > > night.

> > > > > > Let me

> > > > > > > know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > people with specific disease such as CF, where

> specialized

> > > care

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > research is needed:

> > > > > > > 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I

> > > feel I

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think

> this

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are

> > > paid

> > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > have to see them

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems

> to

> > > be

> > > > more

> > > > > > > choice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for

> > > > > > specialties. 

> > > > > > > When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am

> not

> > > so

> > > > > > > convinced.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Natalia,

First let me say that, thought I haven't said it yet, I really appreciate

your presence here and thank you for your helpful and constructive comments!

Second... Before I had a kid with CF, I was totally against universal

healthcare, that is, the kind of health care system that you have in Canada

and that they also have in the UK and Australia.

Well, since having Ricky, I'm afraid I've come around to the idea of

" socialized medicine " , after having to deal with getting referrals and

authorizations for every little thing, and battling with the insurance

companies and medical groups over what gets paid and what doesn't and which

tests Ricky can't have etc.

For that reason I'm supporting Gov. Dean for president... He's very

common sense about lots of things but also about this issue. He is very

much in favor of single payer health care. Yay!

Of course, after reading your email I wonder if either of these is really

better than the other???

Becky , mom of Ricky (8) with CF and Andy (5) no CF

http://www.beckydavis.com

San , CA

health care in the States...

This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night. Let me

know what you guys think? Which do you think is more beneficial for

people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care and

research is needed:

1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I never

have much of a choice which doctor I see - and I think this makes

them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and I

have to see them

OR

2. the US system. Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

choice.

I always wonder. I find the health care here aweful for specialties.

When you break a lef, hey its great. but otherwise I am not so

convinced.

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm not sure what the answer is. which is better....I think it

always becomes more complicatd when you need constant and very involved

health care. As I said before, it's one thing when you go to the

doctor for a colf/fly/or even a broken something. For that Canadian

health care is great. Simple and free for all. But for CF, or

anything like it, I'm not sure.

On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 11:34 AM, , Rebekah wrote:

> Natalia,

>

> First let me say that, thought I haven't said it yet, I really

> appreciate

> your presence here and thank you for your helpful and constructive

> comments!

>

> Second... Before I had a kid with CF, I was totally against universal

> healthcare, that is, the kind of health care system that you have in

> Canada

> and that they also have in the UK and Australia.

>

> Well, since having Ricky, I'm afraid I've come around to the idea of

> " socialized medicine " , after having to deal with getting referrals and

> authorizations for every little thing, and battling with the insurance

> companies and medical groups over what gets paid and what doesn't and

> which

> tests Ricky can't have etc.

>

> For that reason I'm supporting Gov. Dean for president... He's

> very

> common sense about lots of things but also about this issue.  He is

> very

> much in favor of single payer health care.  Yay!

>

> Of course, after reading your email I wonder if either of these is

> really

> better than the other???

>

> Becky , mom of Ricky (8) with CF and Andy (5) no CF

> http://www.beckydavis.com

> San , CA

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> health care in the States...

>

>

> This is something that me and my mom were discussing last night. Let me

> know what you guys think?  Which do you think is more beneficial for

> people with specific disease such as CF, where specialized care and

> research is needed:

> 1. The Canadian 'free', all inclusive type care, where I feel I never

> have much of a choice which doctor I see  -  and I think this makes

> them lazy since no matter how bad a job they do, they are paid and I

> have to see them

>

> OR

>

> 2. the US system.  Speaks for itself, where there seems to be more

> choice.

>

> I always wonder.  I find the health care here aweful for specialties. 

> When you break a lef, hey its great.  but otherwise I am not so

> convinced.

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