Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm...... I will admit that I have never used that brand, because it's not

available where I live.... but it DOES seem as if Elaine's last comments in

what you've posted here are saying that she had changed her mind and would

prefer we NOT use the Friendship Farmer's Cheese.

I will let Sheila or Mimi comment... but I do prefer to defer to Elaine's

judgement on most things, just knowing she was always trying to err on the safe

side.

Patti

confused about Farmer's Cheese

Hi guys,

O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed as

a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4 months.

I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

Leah - ASD, SCD since July

Here's what I found:

Friendship Farmer Cheese

Ingredient Statement

Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

Nutritional Information

Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

*DV = Daily Value

Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are closing

down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are left

mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places. That

is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship has

led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

DCCC Fat Content

Elaine writes:

To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

the hand. "

Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no idea

how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed Cottage

Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has worked.

This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with no

fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a hoot

about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I begin

to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

DCCC - Friendship Brand

In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the book ,

but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers Cheese

legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

cheese? " , Elaine writes:

I would use only the hoop cheese.

[Guest guest]

Yes but there are 0 carbs and 0 sugars in it. Why wouldn't it be okay? Pearl

Patti wrote: Hmmmm...... I will admit that I

have never used that brand, because it's not available where I live.... but it

DOES seem as if Elaine's last comments in what you've posted here are saying

that she had changed her mind and would prefer we NOT use the Friendship

Farmer's Cheese.

I will let Sheila or Mimi comment... but I do prefer to defer to Elaine's

judgement on most things, just knowing she was always trying to err on the safe

side.

Patti

confused about Farmer's Cheese

Hi guys,

O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed as

a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4 months.

I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

Leah - ASD, SCD since July

Here's what I found:

Friendship Farmer Cheese

Ingredient Statement

Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

Nutritional Information

Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

*DV = Daily Value

Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are closing

down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are left

mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places. That

is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship has

led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

DCCC Fat Content

Elaine writes:

To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

the hand. "

Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no idea

how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed Cottage

Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has worked.

This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with no

fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a hoot

about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I begin

to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

DCCC - Friendship Brand

In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the book ,

but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers Cheese

legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

cheese? " , Elaine writes:

I would use only the hoop cheese.

[Guest guest]

Elaine also said she was concerned about 10% fat and this only has

2.5g total fat. I'd sure love to use it because it tastes much

better than the DCCC that I have access to...but I'll wait to hear

what you more experienced folk think. We're redoing the intro AGAIN

and we really want to get things right.

Thanks!

Leah - mom to ASC, SCD since July

Hmmmm...... I will admit

that I have never used that brand, because it's not available where

I live.... but it DOES seem as if Elaine's last comments in what

you've posted here are saying that she had changed her mind and

would prefer we NOT use the Friendship Farmer's Cheese.

>

> I will let Sheila or Mimi comment... but I do prefer to defer to

Elaine's judgement on most things, just knowing she was always

trying to err on the safe side.

>

> Patti

>

> confused about Farmer's Cheese

>

> Hi guys,

> O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed

as

> a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4

months.

> I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

> totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

> little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

> and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

> Leah - ASD, SCD since July

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> Friendship Farmer Cheese

>

> Ingredient Statement

> Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

>

> Nutritional Information

> Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

> *DV = Daily Value

> Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

> Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

> Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

> Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

>

> 8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

> Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

> Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

> to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

> more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are

closing

> down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are

left

> mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

> NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places.

That

> is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship

has

> led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

>

> DCCC Fat Content

> Elaine writes:

> To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

> uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

> the hand. "

> Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no

idea

> how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed

Cottage

> Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has

worked.

> This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with

no

> fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

> I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a

hoot

> about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I

begin

> to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

>

> DCCC - Friendship Brand

> In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the

book ,

> but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers

Cheese

> legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

> the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

> cheese? " , Elaine writes:

> I would use only the hoop cheese.

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK..... I see what you mean. She was really referring to the two other brands

that were 10%.

Well.... I was hoping Sheila, Mimi, Charlene or Carol could comment on this.

Hopefully, they will pop in today.

I guess it *seems* like it's probably still okay. It is confusing, though... I

wish I was more experienced with this brand. I only have access to one DCCC....

by Sunshine Dairy in the Portland, Oregon area... but I rarely buy it and don't

have any on hand at the moment.

Patti

Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

Elaine also said she was concerned about 10% fat and this only has

2.5g total fat. I'd sure love to use it because it tastes much

better than the DCCC that I have access to...but I'll wait to hear

what you more experienced folk think. We're redoing the intro AGAIN

and we really want to get things right.

Thanks!

Leah - mom to ASC, SCD since July

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Patti.

Friendship Farmer's cheese is legal if it is the stuff that looks crumbly. There

is another that looks like brick...that one is not allowed.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/farmers_cheese.htm

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/dccc.htm

Check and be sure the carb listing says 0g but I am sure this is ok.

Charlene

Hmmmm...... I will admit that I have never used that brand, because it's not

available where I live.... but it DOES seem as if Elaine's last comments in what

you've posted here are saying that she had changed her mind and would prefer we

NOT use the Friendship Farmer's Cheese.

I will let Sheila or Mimi comment... but I do prefer to defer to Elaine's

judgement on most things, just knowing she was always trying to err on the safe

side.

Patti

confused about Farmer's Cheese

Hi guys,

O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed as

a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4 months.

I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

Leah - ASD, SCD since July

Here's what I found:

Friendship Farmer Cheese

Ingredient Statement

Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

Nutritional Information

Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

*DV = Daily Value

Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are closing

down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are left

mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places. That

is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship has

led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

DCCC Fat Content

Elaine writes:

To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

the hand. "

Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no idea

how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed Cottage

Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has worked.

This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with no

fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a hoot

about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I begin

to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

DCCC - Friendship Brand

In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the book ,

but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers Cheese

legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

cheese? " , Elaine writes:

I would use only the hoop cheese.

[Guest guest]

" Patti " wrote:

> Well.... I was hoping Sheila, Mimi, Charlene or Carol could comment

on this. Hopefully, they will pop in today.

I wish I was more experienced with this brand. I only have access to

one DCCC.... >

> Patti

You know, maybe I should wait to hear from one of the above...as I

said, we don't want to mess things up since we're redoing the intro.

Leah

[Guest guest]

Charlene says it's fine... and I trust her judgement. I got confused by the

comment posts from Elaine.... because it seemed like she was suspicious, but I

think now that she was just referring to the other brands that have the 10%.

Sorry... I added even MORE confusion.

Patti

Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

" Patti " wrote:

> Well.... I was hoping Sheila, Mimi, Charlene or Carol could comment

on this. Hopefully, they will pop in today.

I wish I was more experienced with this brand. I only have access to

one DCCC.... >

> Patti

You know, maybe I should wait to hear from one of the above...as I

said, we don't want to mess things up since we're redoing the intro.

Leah

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah,

The Friendship farmer's cheese is SCD legal. Looks like cottage

cheese, but has O% carbs. The farmer's cheese that looks like Brick

or mozzarella cheese is not legal, it has more than 0% carbs (ie.

unfermented lactose).

Despite having cream listed as an ingredient if the carbs are listed

as " 0 " all the lactose in the skim milk and the cream has been

digested (okay for SCDers).

You have been using the correct cheese.

Sheila

> Hi guys,

> O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed

as

> a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4

months.

> I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

> totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

> little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

> and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

> Leah - ASD, SCD since July

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> Friendship Farmer Cheese

>

> Ingredient Statement

> Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

>

>

> Nutritional Information

> Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

> *DV = Daily Value

> Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

> Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

> Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

> Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

>

> 8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

> Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

> Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

> to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

> more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are

closing

> down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are

left

> mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

> NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places.

That

> is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship

has

> led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

>

> DCCC Fat Content

> Elaine writes:

> To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

> uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

> the hand. "

> Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no

idea

> how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed

Cottage

> Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has

worked.

> This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with

no

> fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

> I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a

hoot

> about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I

begin

> to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

>

> DCCC - Friendship Brand

> In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the

book ,

> but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers

Cheese

> legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

> the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

> cheese? " , Elaine writes:

> I would use only the hoop cheese.

>

[Guest guest]

> Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

>

>

> Elaine also said she was concerned about 10% fat and this only has

> 2.5g total fat. I'd sure love to use it because it tastes much

> better than the DCCC that I have access to...but I'll wait to hear

> what you more experienced folk think. We're redoing the intro AGAIN

> and we really want to get things right.

> Thanks!

> Leah - mom to ASC, SCD since July

>

I was using 0.5 % and sometimes 10% DCCC and Jodi who co authored Grain-Free

Gourmet said she uses the lowest fat type of DCCC because it is high in protein.

I once asked Elaine if I could use the .05%. and 10% and she said " yes. "

There is a legal 3.8% by Western Creamery, (Now owned by Liberty Foods) in

Ontario

called " Baker's Cheese " but it is plain old DCCC too.

I found a totally low fat DCCC from Montreal called Mehadrin that tastes like

cream cheese

even though it is 0.1% butter fat. It is from Quebec but also sold in Ontario,

Canada and is

the best for cheesecake and lasagna too.

Mehadrin Milk Company Suite 21 1192 Van Horne Avenue Montréal, Québec .

Sorry I know nothing about the U.S. brands.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

O.K. Can anyone who has a container of the correct Friendship farmer's cheese

give me the coe off of it. Someone gave me a code a while back when I found out

that BJs carried it, but I don't think that mine looks like cottage cheese. It

looks more like a brick to me.

Meleah

Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

Hi Leah,

The Friendship farmer's cheese is SCD legal. Looks like cottage

cheese, but has O% carbs. The farmer's cheese that looks like Brick

or mozzarella cheese is not legal, it has more than 0% carbs (ie.

unfermented lactose).

Despite having cream listed as an ingredient if the carbs are listed

as " 0 " all the lactose in the skim milk and the cream has been

digested (okay for SCDers).

You have been using the correct cheese.

Sheila

> Hi guys,

> O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed

as

> a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4

months.

> I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

> totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

> little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

> and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

> Leah - ASD, SCD since July

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> Friendship Farmer Cheese

>

> Ingredient Statement

> Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

>

>

> Nutritional Information

> Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

> *DV = Daily Value

> Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

> Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

> Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

> Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

>

> 8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

> Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

> Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

> to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

> more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are

closing

> down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are

left

> mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

> NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places.

That

> is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship

has

> led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

>

> DCCC Fat Content

> Elaine writes:

> To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

> uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

> the hand. "

> Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no

idea

> how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed

Cottage

> Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has

worked.

> This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with

no

> fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

> I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a

hoot

> about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I

begin

> to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

>

> DCCC - Friendship Brand

> In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the

book ,

> but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers

Cheese

> legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

> the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

> cheese? " , Elaine writes:

> I would use only the hoop cheese.

>

[Guest guest]

The only code that I see is the UPC which is 7148101160 1

[Guest guest]

So.... how do we explain these comments from Elaine? :

<<DCCC Fat Content

Elaine writes:

To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

the hand. "

Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no idea

how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed Cottage

Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has worked.

This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with no

fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a hoot

about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I begin

to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

DCCC - Friendship Brand

In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the book ,

but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers Cheese

legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

cheese? " , Elaine writes:

I would use only the hoop cheese.>>

Patti

Confused about Farmer's Cheese

I am phoning Western Creamery (Liberty Foods) to be sure of what is in

10% DCCC. If skim milk is added after it's been made into cheese it

would not be legal as there would be lactose. The brand is listed as

legal in BTVC but I will double check about the 10%. I thought Elaine

said it was OK but I need to be sure.

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

my upc code is 7148101160

robin wrote: O.K. Can anyone who has a

container of the correct Friendship farmer's cheese give me the coe off of it.

Someone gave me a code a while back when I found out that BJs carried it, but I

don't think that mine looks like cottage cheese. It looks more like a brick to

me.

Meleah

Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

Hi Leah,

The Friendship farmer's cheese is SCD legal. Looks like cottage

cheese, but has O% carbs. The farmer's cheese that looks like Brick

or mozzarella cheese is not legal, it has more than 0% carbs (ie.

unfermented lactose).

Despite having cream listed as an ingredient if the carbs are listed

as " 0 " all the lactose in the skim milk and the cream has been

digested (okay for SCDers).

You have been using the correct cheese.

Sheila

> Hi guys,

> O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed

as

> a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4

months.

> I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

> totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out a

> little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

> and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

> Leah - ASD, SCD since July

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> Friendship Farmer Cheese

>

> Ingredient Statement

> Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

>

>

> Nutritional Information

> Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

> *DV = Daily Value

> Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

> Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

> Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

> Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

>

> 8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

> Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

> Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more salt

> to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

> more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are

closing

> down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are

left

> mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies in

> NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places.

That

> is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship

has

> led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

>

> DCCC Fat Content

> Elaine writes:

> To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

> uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being crumbly " in

> the hand. "

> Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no

idea

> how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed

Cottage

> Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has

worked.

> This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with

no

> fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

> I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a

hoot

> about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I

begin

> to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

>

> DCCC - Friendship Brand

> In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the

book ,

> but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers

Cheese

> legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

> the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

> cheese? " , Elaine writes:

> I would use only the hoop cheese.

>

[Guest guest]

That's the code on mine, so I guess I've got the right one. Thanks.

Meleah

Re: confused about Farmer's Cheese

The only code that I see is the UPC which is 7148101160 1

[Guest guest]

Patti,

Friendship Dairy Farmer's Cheese which is crumbly is legal. The stuff that

looks like " regular " cheese, say, a cheddar, or something, is not.

I was finally able to find this at Fresh Market in Covington following

Katrina, and have been using it quite successfully.

My understanding of what Elaine was saying was that the hoop cheese was

better, but the farmer's cheese was legal. There was someone else who was

producing a farmer's cheese with more fat in it because they were using a

whole milk instead of skim milk the way Friendship does, and she was

concerned that the procedure might not be the same.

In addition, there is a rabbi in Israel, who translated BTVC into Hebrew,

who was producing kosher DCCC, which had a higher fat content than most

American DCCC, but she was not concerned about that, since she knew how

scrupulous the rabbi in question was.

-- Marilyn (New Orleans, Louisiana, USA)

Undiagnosed IBS 25 Years, SCD Five Years

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti

Three or four years ago Elaine and I discussed the Organic meadows

pressed cheese. I was unable to find any DCCC on my little island

but found the org. Meadows pressed cottage cheese. She said it had

far to many carbohydrates (8g of carbs/100g of pressed cotage cheese )

after the culture was added and wasn't legal. We figured they must

be adding milk products after the culture had done it's fermenting or

they weren't fermenting it long enough.

If the final carb content is still high after fermentation than you

shouldn't use it. The friendship farmer's cheese (resembles cottage

cheese) with 0 carbs (ie. no residual lactose) is SCD legal. The

skim milk and cream in the ingredient list must be added before

fermentation.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and daniel

> Hmmmm...... I will admit that I have never used that brand,

because it's not available where I live.... but it DOES seem as if

Elaine's last comments in what you've posted here are saying that she

had changed her mind and would prefer we NOT use the Friendship

Farmer's Cheese.

>

> I will let Sheila or Mimi comment... but I do prefer to defer to

Elaine's judgement on most things, just knowing she was always trying

to err on the safe side.

>

>

>

>

> Hi guys,

> O.K. We've been using Friendship Farmer's Cheese which is listed

as

> a resource in BTVC on pg. 187 (from Whole Foods)for about 4

months.

> I just now read the ingredients which say skim milk, cream, salt -

> totally my fault for not reading sooner. Now this freaked me out

a

> little because of the cream so I went online to research a little

> and now I'm completely confused. HELP!

> Leah - ASD, SCD since July

>

> Here's what I found:

>

> Friendship Farmer Cheese

>

> Ingredient Statement

> Cultured Pasteurized Grade A Skim Milk, Cream and Salt.

>

>

> Nutritional Information

> Serving Size: 1 oz.(30g/About 2 Tbsp.)

> *DV = Daily Value

> Calories: 50 Fat Cal.: 25 Total Fat: 2.5g

> Sat. Fat: 1.5g Trans Fat: 0g Cholesterol: 10mg

> Sodium: 120mg Total Carb: 0g Fiber: 0g

> Sugars: 0g Protein: 5g

>

> 8th Jan 2004 Elaine writes:

> Friendship Hoop Cheese and Friendship Farmers Cheese:

> Only difference we are interested in is that Farmers has more

salt

> to make it more palatable (this is good - we like salt!) and has

> more fat (this is good, we don't mind fat) However, they are

closing

> down much of the production of the Hoop and, therefore, we are

left

> mainly with Farmers. The Hoop will still be available in delies

in

> NYC, etc. but may eventually disappear even from these places.

That

> is OK as my conversation with the dairy scientist at Friendship

has

> led me to believe we are just fine with Farmers.

>

> DCCC Fat Content

> Elaine writes:

> To settle this matter once and for all, it is best to use the

> uncreamed " dry cottage cheese " . I describe it as being

crumbly " in

> the hand. "

> Arthur Klein, who makes the dry curd for Advantage Foods has no

idea

> how Organic Meadow and Western Dairy can make a 10% Pressed

Cottage

> Cheese without adding skim milk to it after the culture has

worked.

> This is the last word from me: Get a dry curd Farmer Cheese with

no

> fat because that is the only thing I know is pure curd.

> I despise using the word " fat " because you know we don't give a

hoot

> about the fat content. But once the dry curd says it is 10%, I

begin

> to worry because something has been added and it is not just fat.

>

> DCCC - Friendship Brand

> In answer to a list-members question, " I know this is in the

book ,

> but I'm not crystal clear on this yet. Is Friendship Farmers

Cheese

> legal, or only the Friendship Hoop cheese? My local store carries

> the farmers cheese and is looking into ordering me the hoop

> cheese? " , Elaine writes:

> I would use only the hoop cheese.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah,

She was concerned about the amount of fat in some brands because it

indicated that milk products had been added after fermenting *in some

products*. You are right Pearl, if there are 0 carbs,0 sugars it

doesn't matter what the fat content is.

This one is legal:

http://www.friendshipdairies.com/products/info_farmer.shtml

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> Elaine also said she was concerned about 10% fat and this only has

> 2.5g total fat. I'd sure love to use it because it tastes much

> better than the DCCC that I have access to...but I'll wait to hear

> what you more experienced folk think. We're redoing the intro AGAIN

> and we really want to get things right.

> Thanks!

> Leah - mom to ASC, SCD since July

>

> >

> > Yes but there are 0 carbs and 0 sugars in it. Why wouldn't it be

> okay? Pearl

> >