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I thought I would throw this out to ya all. I asked the ASBS about

their position on the MGB and th statement by Alvarado. Here is the

response I just got:

Subject: Re: MGB Bypass Concerns

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:15:37 EDT

From: MalloryGN@...

To: desmisc@...

The ASBS has no official position on " Mini-gastric bypass " , or

indeed,

any bariatric surgical operation. We have no control over content of

any web site except our own, or over any opinions expressed in other

web sites.

The " consensus " quote you refer to is a liberal interpretation of the

term, in that it reflects the majority opinions expressed by speakers

during the annual conference. This in no way implies official

approval

by the Society.

Indeed the Society makes a point of NOT taking positions on individual

operative procedures, preferring to provide a forum where issues

pertaining to physiology, technique, complications and outcome can be

frankly and fully discussed.

Other than the claim concerning the " consensus " , the comments do

fairly reflect the contrary viewpoint expressed concerning

" Mini-gastric bypass "

ASBS

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Judith,

I believe I just asked the ASBS to comment on the following statement from

Alvarado,

I just copied and pasted the statement from the Alvarado site onto the email

word for word.

Des

judith wrote:

> Dear Live and Learn with Elliott Stern:

> Once again thanks for posting the e-mail from ASBS. Just wanted to comment:

> paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 are a reasoned, unbiased response. But, I have to

> take exception to paragraph 4. I think it shows a true bias on the part of

> the author, and if I was a member I'd be disappointed in this response. Of

> course, I don't remember seeing your e-mail inquiry, so maybe the response

> was just phrased to respond to it and I'm being a 'witch-hunter.' Anyhow,

> thanks for posting it for us.

> Judith in Seattle

>

> >

> > The ASBS has no official position on " Mini-gastric bypass " , or

> > indeed,

> > any bariatric surgical operation. We have no control over content of

> > any web site except our own, or over any opinions expressed in other

> > web sites.

> >

> > The " consensus " quote you refer to is a liberal interpretation of the

> > term, in that it reflects the majority opinions expressed by speakers

> > during the annual conference. This in no way implies official

> > approval

> > by the Society.

> >

> > Indeed the Society makes a point of NOT taking positions on individual

> > operative procedures, preferring to provide a forum where issues

> > pertaining to physiology, technique, complications and outcome can be

> > frankly and fully discussed.

> >

> > Other than the claim concerning the " consensus " , the comments do

> > fairly reflect the contrary viewpoint expressed concerning

> > " Mini-gastric bypass "

> >

> > ASBS

>

> This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

>

> and for more on the MGB,Don't miss :

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

>

> To Unsubscribe Send and Email to: MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com

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Thanks for the clarification.

Re: ASBS RESPONSE

> Judith,

>

> I believe I just asked the ASBS to comment on the following statement from

> Alvarado,

>

> I just copied and pasted the statement from the Alvarado site onto the

email

> word for word.

>

> Des

>

> judith wrote:

>

> > Dear Live and Learn with Elliott Stern:

> > Once again thanks for posting the e-mail from ASBS. Just wanted to

comment:

> > paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 are a reasoned, unbiased response. But, I have

to

> > take exception to paragraph 4. I think it shows a true bias on the part

of

> > the author, and if I was a member I'd be disappointed in this response.

Of

> > course, I don't remember seeing your e-mail inquiry, so maybe the

response

> > was just phrased to respond to it and I'm being a 'witch-hunter.'

Anyhow,

> > thanks for posting it for us.

> > Judith in Seattle

> >

> > >

> > > The ASBS has no official position on " Mini-gastric bypass " , or

> > > indeed,

> > > any bariatric surgical operation. We have no control over content of

> > > any web site except our own, or over any opinions expressed in other

> > > web sites.

> > >

> > > The " consensus " quote you refer to is a liberal interpretation of the

> > > term, in that it reflects the majority opinions expressed by speakers

> > > during the annual conference. This in no way implies official

> > > approval

> > > by the Society.

> > >

> > > Indeed the Society makes a point of NOT taking positions on individual

> > > operative procedures, preferring to provide a forum where issues

> > > pertaining to physiology, technique, complications and outcome can be

> > > frankly and fully discussed.

> > >

> > > Other than the claim concerning the " consensus " , the comments do

> > > fairly reflect the contrary viewpoint expressed concerning

> > > " Mini-gastric bypass "

> > >

> > > ASBS

> >

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

> >

> > and for more on the MGB,Don't miss :

> > http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

> >

> > To Unsubscribe Send and Email to:

MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com

>

>

> This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

>

> and for more on the MGB,Don't miss :

> http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

>

> To Unsubscribe Send and Email to:

MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com

>

>

>

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I am going out on a limb here and assume that ASBS is the American Society of

Bariatric Surgery. If that assumption is correct, one thing is clear.

Lawyers Rule!

It's too bad the respondent didn't go into politics, rather than medicine.

He could be President!!! Master of Doublepseak and saying nothing! Shame.

Spineless. Could have saved the ink!

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