Re: Help with water and bloating

October 23, 2006

Hello ,

I have pretty much the same problems as you do. I think the majority

of your bloating is caused from constipation. It does so much nasty

stuff to our bodies. I am bloated badly when I wake up right before

breakfast as well although it usually goes down a bit after I eat and

hopefully, fingers crossed praying, have a bm.

If I do not have a bm one day, or if I have very little, water

definitely causes my bloating to increase and I get a dull sort of

pain all through my stomach. I find that if I drink warm tea or broth

or even warm up some water and take little sips that its ok.

You did not put what you are currently eating. Alot of scd foods can

be really bothersome to the gut..especially at only a month. I am at

almost 8 months and I still have to really watch what I eat. Some good

idvice I got that helps is as soon as I have a day I don't 'go'..I

carry around a bottle of plain chicken broth with me and sip it all

day. For one day..two if I'm in really bad shape. After that, add in

easily digestible things like cooked zucchini and green beans..look at

the stages list on pecanbread website. A nut muffin as well seems to

do the trick although sometimes I think even that is too much. And

then when things are starting to move again..add a bit of dripped yogurt.

I think alot of supplements sometimes can be irritating. Have you

tried the diet alone yet to see if you get results? At the beginning

the only thing I was taking was a probiotic because I couldn't/still

can't handle alot of yogurt. Now I take a multi and a probiotic.

SCD has helped alot..but since I do have many bad days I think it will

take quite awhile to heal.

Let us know how you are making out. Its encouraging to hear other

peoples progress

God Bless.

IBS-C 8 yrs, SCD 7.5 months

October 23, 2006

I wouldn't have the faintest idea what is causing this bloating from drinking

water. Have you asked your doctor/naturopath? Since this was happening long

before you started SCD, I really don't know what the issue could be.

Four weeks into SCD is certainly too early to expect major healing.... and some

people have difficulties with die-off and other ups-and-downs as the body

switches over to this new way of digesting food. I hope the diet helps you over

time... but you may need to be very patient.

I would highly suggest that you consider trying SCD yogurt... made from GOAT

milk. The 24 hr fermentation changes the casein and makes it much more

digestible. Our yogurt is very healing.

SCD can help your body chelate mercury naturally. I'll re-post another message

here in a minute that might be of interest.

Patti

Help with water and bloating

Hello everyone,

I'm new to the group and though I've been on SCD for the last 4 weeks, I've

come across some roadblocks which I'm unable to answer for myself and was

wondering if someone can help shed some light or point me in the right

direction.

Even though my bloating has been reduced ever since starting the diet (some

days are better than others), I noticed that if I drink water 2-3 hours

AFTER a meal, I feel pressure building up inside my mid back and mid

stomach. This happens within 2-5 minutes of the first sip and gets worse

with every sip. If I don't drink between meals, this pressure/pain is

minimal. This water-related bloating has been going on for about 5 months.

This bloating is at its worst mid-morning and afternoon, but still

noticeable before breakfast. After dinner, it is not as bad.

I took DGL (licorice) to relieve symptoms of an ulcer for 5 weeks, ending a

month ago (gnawing pain in the stomach between meals which was relieved by

eating, nausea after meals, bloating, belching and general fatigue). I never

tested for H. pylori or was diagnosed with ulcer, but the DGL seemed to help

and I no longer have any of these symptoms, except the bloating is less

painful now.

I suffer from constipation despite drinking plenty of water daily. I am

taking zinc, magnesium, calcium, taurine, glutamine and vitamin C as

supplements, along with digestive enzymes. I don't tolerate vcaps because

the cellulose causes bloating. I used to drink excessive amounts of milk,

but then developed foggy head and phlegm. I stopped all dairy products for 2

years and only in the last 3 days re-introduced small amounts of kefir

(fermented for 2-3 days) into my diet. If I can't tolerate kefir in cow or

goat milk, I will try probiotics in supplement form. I had yeast overgrowth

problems 2 years ago, but it now seems I have bacterial overgrowth problems

for which SCD seems to help.

I recently did a hair test analysis (I'm planning on chelating mercury using

Andy Cutler's protocol) and found out that I have mineral deficiencies

associated with mercury poisoning.

Thanks ever so much,

Toronto, Canada

SCD since Sept 18/06

October 24, 2006

<< I wouldn't have the faintest idea what is causing this bloating from drinking

water. Have you asked your doctor/naturopath? Since this was happening long

before you started SCD, I really don't know what the issue could be.>>

I'm not ready to see my doctor yet, because I want to make sure I

spend more time figuring this out before I get tested for various

conditions. If this is bacterial overgrowth, the 'standard' treatment

is antibiotics which I refuse to take. That's what attracted me to SCD

in the first place - treating bacterial overgrowth with diet and

supplements.

<< Four weeks into SCD is certainly too early to expect major healing.... and

some people have difficulties with die-off and other ups-and-downs as the body

switches over to this new way of digesting food. I hope the diet helps you over

time... but you may need to be very patient.>>

I didn't have any die-offs similar to when I got off sugars & gluten

for my yeast infection. I've been eating very healthy for the last 6

years, except the excessive consumption of bran, milk and ground flax

seed. I did notice softer BM's (which was a blessing, given my

constipation) within 48 hours of starting the diet; I also felt more

calm and my bloating is reduced.

<<I would highly suggest that you consider trying SCD yogurt... made from GOAT

milk. The 24 hr fermentation changes the casein and makes it much more

digestible. Our yogurt is very healing.>>

I used to drink kefir before and didn't have problems until I went

crazy with it and excessively consumed large amounts. That's when I

noticed my foggy head and phlegm. I'm OK with lactose I think, but

maybe it's the casein in cow's milk. I'd love to be able to try raw

milk and test my theory, but it's illegal to get here in Canada

(illegal for human consumption, that is). I'm tolerating kefir well

so far, but I'm taking about 1/4 cup a day. If I start to feel that

good 'ol foggy feeling, I'll try goat milk. If all fails, I'll

supplement with probiotics.

Toronto, Canada

SCD since Sept 18/06

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October 24, 2006

> I have pretty much the same problems as you do. I think the majority

> of your bloating is caused from constipation. It does so much nasty

> stuff to our bodies. I am bloated badly when I wake up right before

> breakfast as well although it usually goes down a bit after I eat and

> hopefully, fingers crossed praying, have a bm.

I noticed that I tend to be bloated regardless of being constipated or

not. The bloating from constipation/bacterial fermentation is

different from my *stomach* bloating. The stomach bloating is

associated with water consumption. The bloating in my colon seems to

be reduced and almost completely gone now that I'm 4 weeks into SCD.

I think my stomach bloating has to do with possible H. pylori

infection. It just dawned on me in the last 24 hours that these nasty

bugs are back again...

> You did not put what you are currently eating. Alot of scd foods can

> be really bothersome to the gut..especially at only a month. I am at

> almost 8 months and I still have to really watch what I eat. Some good

> idvice I got that helps is as soon as I have a day I don't 'go'..I

> carry around a bottle of plain chicken broth with me and sip it all

> day. For one day..two if I'm in really bad shape. After that, add in

> easily digestible things like cooked zucchini and green beans..look at

> the stages list on pecanbread website. A nut muffin as well seems to

> do the trick although sometimes I think even that is too much. And

> then when things are starting to move again..add a bit of dripped yogurt.

> I think alot of supplements sometimes can be irritating.

I can't tolerate applesauce because it causes me bloating. Ditto for

pears. So I basically stay away from fruits. I seem to do quite well

on cruciferous veggies, zucchini, eggplant (in moderation), onions,

garlic. I think tomato irritates my stomach lining. I also eat

mackerel, eggs, and pork occasionally. Medium cheddar is my new found

love (I've been off dairy for 2 years, so having a bit of cheddar is

such a treat). I'm hoping to add turkey and beef soon. As for nuts and

leafy greens - I can't have these because of my high copper levels.

Once I get my copper under control, I will gradually add them to my

diet.

> Have you tried the diet alone yet to see if you get results? At the beginning

> the only thing I was taking was a probiotic because I couldn't/still

> can't handle alot of yogurt. Now I take a multi and a probiotic.

> SCD has helped alot..but since I do have many bad days I think it will

> take quite awhile to heal.

Yes, I tried the diet alone because I couldn't tolerate any

supplements at first. I also went through a process of eliminating

foods that caused me bloating (like winter squash - I tolerated it for

a week and then I got bloated from it). I gradually introduced the

supplements and that's how I found out that I couldn't tolerate the

vcaps and any cellulose in them. I'd get bloated within 15 minutes of

ingesting one of those vcaps. So I try to avoid cellulose in veggies

as much as I can. I'm still dumbfounded about the winter squash - too

bad because I really enjoy different types of winter squash.

I'm overall really pleased with the way the diet is working out for me

so far. I really didn't know what else to try to control my bloating.

It will take a while to heal and to establish a good bacteria in my

gut, but I'm wiling to put in the time

> Let us know how you are making out. Its encouraging to hear other

> peoples progress

Thanks for your support, . I am so glad I found this group and

I will definitely keep you all posted on my progress (or lack of

thereof)...

October 24, 2006

SCD is effective against bad gut bacteria..... but NOT against clostridia. If

you find you're dealing with that one, you will need to either do the

antibiotics, or possibly add the s.boulardii probiotics.

Kefir is not for SCD beginners.... it's considered an advanced food. I would go

to Elaine's website, www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and into her " Knowledge

Base " to read what she has posted there about kefir.

Patti

Re: Help with water and bloating

<< I wouldn't have the faintest idea what is causing this bloating from

drinking water. Have you asked your doctor/naturopath? Since this was happening

long before you started SCD, I really don't know what the issue could be.>>