Re: PLEASE HELP!? Daughter on diet 5 days and pooping everywhere!

[Guest guest]

I'd just like to add in the suggestion that some people use with reintroducing

dairy into their child's diet. They make the goat yogurt, but use it in a

recipe where it will be cooked. This will kill of the bacteria that would cause

die off, and you would be more confident in knowing if the reaction were to die

off or dairy intolerance. We did not do this when we reintroduced yogurt, but I

thought that it was a great idea. I would've tried it if I'd thought of it.

Meleah

Re: PLEASE HELP!? Daughter on diet 5 days and pooping

everywhere!

Hi ,

> She ate banana yogurt with NO FRUIT. It was the Smooth and Creamy

> kind with no bits of anything in it.

>

> She ate the Giant Eagle brand for a long time (that is a grocery

> store chain here in Ohio - I wasn't sure if it was around the U.S.)

> but then I tried to get some better stuff in her and I found

> Stonyfield Farms Yogurt in the Organic Aisle. It comes in Banana

and

> Strawberry. She liked both of those.

>

> Her DAN! Dr. told us to do SCD without dairy. I asked him if I

could

> try and make the yogurt and he said he would prefer that we didn't.

>

> Is it okay for her to have the yogurt? Are their other children

that

> eat the yogurt or 'acceptable' cheeses ?

Yes, some of the kids start the diet with the legal cheeses and the

yogurt. Some don't start with dairy but add it in later slowly.

Others stay dairy free.

Some of the problem that people experience with dairy is the

lactose. Commercial yogurt has quite a bit of lactose in it as do

some cheeses. In BTVC Elaine listed legal cheeses, the illegal

cheese list are the ones with lactose. SCD yogurt is fermented fully

to break down all the lactose.

Some people's problem with dairy is casein. When milk is made into

yogurt the (fermentation) process changes the casein from a 3-

dimensional (more difficult to digest) to a 2-dimensional shape

(easier to digest).

Lastly, some have a problem with cow dairy. The milk proteins in

cow dairy are fairly large. On the other hand the milk proteins in

goat milk are smaller and easier to digest. Couple this with the

yogurt process and you have dairy that is lactose free, the casein is

altered and it has small easy to digest milk proteins. This is why

we suggest goat dairy as a starting point for those interested in

starting or restarting dairy.

Since the yogurt is fully fermented it is extremely high in good

bacteria. To minimize die off symptoms (which are sometimes confused

with intolerance of dairy) we also recommend starting with a tiny

amount and gradually increasing it 1/8 -1/4 tsp every second day.

Adding epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal as needed to help

with die off symptoms. 1/8tsp has ~2 billion CFU's of good bacteria

and 1/4tsp of dairy yogurt has almost 4 billion CFU's of good

bacteria. The bacteria in yogurt are encapsulated so they will

travel further in the GI tract than the good bacteria in powdered

probiotics/capsules, so for those who are used to giving probiotics

there will likely still be increased die off with the addition of SCD

yogurt.

> Rylee immediately starts

> spinning in circles and repeating the same low-pitched sounds over

> and over again everytime she eats yogurt.

Rylees problem could be from die off, regular casein, lactose or the

bacteria strains in the commercial yogurt etc.

> I made a batch of the yogurt about 4 months ago and it looked

great.

> I put it in the freezer and when it defrosted it looked like

spoiled

> milk. It was watery and broken down into little chunks. It looked

> nothing like it did before I put it in the freezer. I'm assuming I

> did something very wrong!

No. Plain yogurt will lose its' texture when frozen. If fruit is

added or honey (eg. making it into ice cream adding fruit to make a

fruity frozen yogurt) this will help maintain the texture.

>

> I was thinking at the time to blend some very ripe bananas in the

> yogurt with a little vanilla extract but I never made it that far.

I

> am willing to give it a shot again if you think it's okay for her

to

> have it.

I think it is very important to have a source of good bacteria

especially when battling yeast. It need not be yogurt. You can also

use probiotics ;legal ones at

http://pecanbread.com/probiotics.html#brands

or fermented non-dairy foods like homemade kimchi or sauerkraut. In

my opinion the SCD yogurt is your best bet because you have three

great strains which interact to help fight yeast.

> Any suggestions would be great - I just want her to eat something!

If you do decide to go with the yogurt let me know as I have a few

more suggestions to make it easier to tolerate and some recipe ideas.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi , I'm so happy to hear things are looking up for you all. I thought about

what you were going through today, When my son told me to come wipe his bottom!

He had pooped in his pants. Not only did he do it 1 time, he did it again right

after i cleaned him up the first time. After that I made him sit on the stool

and finish, he didn't want to.He told I don't have to go. He did in a big way.

He is still having loose stools,I think my son is so confused with everything

that I have been doing, (changing)Re: diet )his body is out of wack. He was on

Nystatin and he had a horrible time. He isn't taking it anymore.

I took your advice and made popsicles out of grape juice for my son he got so

excited,he even joined in helping. He use to be non verbal and didn't make eye

contact,or know what I was asking, Re: up,under, on top. He now knows what they

mean. You can use a littlle bear and blocks and Say to her watch I am going to

put the block under the bear, then do it and so on, Behind, on top of the

bear.etc You will be amazed how fast she catches on. Then ask her, do you want

to try?, or it's your turn. And if she dosen't want to its ok, She will catch

on, Just keep working with her.

Have you used any visual pix with her? Let me know if you want more info on

this. My son learned alot by visual Pictures, You can make up visual schedule

for her that shows what you are doing and make up a daily routine, I found it

very useful at night when it was transition time. I made a night time visual,

1st,take a bath pix of bathtub,2nd put on clothes,3rd eat snack pix of

food,4thbrush your teeth,pix of toothbrush,5thtime for bed pix of bed. He did

like transition, And you may not have trouble with transition, But the visual

pix do help our kids understand what is going on. There is a web site you can

print them off .Let me know if you are interested.Then cut the pix out and

laminate them I used double sided sticky velcro on the back and hung them on 4x6

index cards taped together so they were long enough. Then hung it on the fridge.

We use one for getting ready for school, helpes him remember his back back.

I know you are very busy with everything now and this may seem like alot, But

this method does work, it helps our kids understand the world around them. They

are very literal thinkers.

I hope your visit goes well with feeding therapy, My son as well has alot of

sensory issues, its tough. Buy the way how old is Your daughter?

We are just getting started on this diet, my son has been gf/cf. It is time to

move forward for him. I do feel very confident about this diet. I haven't read

the book but, I have read the pecanbread info.

Hope all is well for you, best of luck.

Blessings,Christy Mom of Tristen

robin wrote:

,

That is huge! She took a couple of bites of the popsicle! You are definitely on

the right track. Get her started on that probiotic from Kirkman as soon as it

comes in.

Meleah

Re: PLEASE HELP!? Daughter on diet 5 days and pooping

everywhere!

Hi Christy,

Thanks for your reply!

Rylee actually wore her clothes all day yesterday so the die off

period must be ending (Yippee!!!!). We actually went to the grocery

store together yesterday and picked up a few things - she wouldn't

wear her shoes but i'll settle for clothes right now.

As for negotiating - You may have not read one of my messages but

Rylee isn't on that level yet. She doesn't have any language and she

is just starting to recognize commands like " we're going bye-bye "

or " it's night-night time " . Besides that, she doesn't really

understand too much.

I haven't changed or started/stopped any supplements in months.

We've been at biomed for almost 2 years now, i'm not new to that,

but i'm definitely new to SCD. We did GFCF and that didn't work out

because we still fought yeast continually because all she wanted was

GFCF pizza every single day.

And I agree about keeping journals.....I probably have around 30 of

them in my 'Rylee files' - I look back at them often to see how her

behaviors have changed over time and what we did to make them

change. If it weren't for the journals, i'd be lost.

I think her poop smearing had alot to do with the die off because

she hasn't done it since Sunday morning (keeping my fingers crossed

on that one), she was real red around her anus and that seems to be

disappearing now.

I cooked up apples and peaches and a little Welchs grape juice and

made popsicles, she actually took 3 small bites this morning! I'm

hoping that's a start.

I have an appt. to start feeding therapy with the Cleveland Clinic

on Dec. 5th, so i'm hoping they can help me with all of her texture

and sensory issues. We'll see how it goes.

Thank you all so much ~~ I honestly couldn't have gotten through any

of this without all of you. I was going to throw in the towel and

give her a Nutrigrain bar this weekend because I was so tired of the

screaming and crying but all of your posts and emails really helped

me pull through it. I know this is what is best for her and I know

now that I really have to stick to my guns and tough it out with her!

Thank you all!

> > > I really hope someone can help me!! My 3 yr. old daughter

started

> > > the diet 5 days ago. I shouldn't even say she's doing

the 'diet'

> > > because she's not - she just stopped eating.

> > >

> >

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