Re: 6 yr. old twins not tolerating yogurt...what to do?

September 2, 2006

Tammy,

It honestly sounds to me more like the yogurt triggered some additional die-off,

especially if you saw them improve afterwards, to even better than they were

before. Some kids have really strong responses. It is POWERFUL stuff. You may

have to go with just a TEENY SPECK to start with.... just a few drops, maybe.

I think the ear infection was most likely a coincidence... but it's hard to

know. Have they reacted to goat dairy before? What did you typically see before

when they were reacting to casein pre-SCD?

Having seen improvement following the bad stuff, if I were you, I'd be tempted

to try again. I am inclined to believe it is die-off.

best wishes,

Patti

6 yr. old twins not tolerating yogurt...what to do?

My twins have been scd since Jan. 06 and I decided it was time to

introduce the goat's milk yogurt. I made it last Friday and my

daughter was in the middle of a cold. Well, a few days later after

starting the yogurt, it turned into an ear infection. I didn't know

if this was related? Also, both started having very loose bm's with

undigested (sorry, gross I know) food particals and my son was having

terrible behavior. I stopped after their third day of the yogurt.

Keep in mind that I did as told and started with 1/8 of a tsp., then

1/4, and then 1/2 of the yogurt each day. My son also developed

a " yeast " rash on his left bottom cheek.

The two days following were much better after I stopped giving it to

them; the bm's were better formed and the behavior was way better,

almost better than before the yogurt. So, I decided on Friday to

start it up again and gave it again today also. Well, they have both

had 4-5 really bad and runny bm's and my son's behavior is again off

the charts, plus he's been coughing a lot and wheezing as he picked

up the tail end of her cold. Is it a die off reaction that they are

having and yeast and bacteria is coming out of them, or is it the

casein in the milk that they can't tolerate?

Should I give up or is this encouraging? Should I just give them 1/4

tsp. every Friday after school so it can help them but not over power

their little systems?

Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Tammy

September 3, 2006

Patti,

Die off is what I suspected but I thought, how could this be,

we had a huge die off in Jan. when first starting the diet. Can you

have more than one die off? I am temporarily stopping the yogurt

until my sons cold goes away, but I have continued to give it to my

daughter and she has had a huge change with her bowels. I know that

something is changing in her little sytem.

Also, they had never had any type of goat products before this and

their reaction to dairy was usually coughing, wheezing, and

eventually an ear infection. Unfortunately we had to put her on an

anti-biotic for her current ear infection, but I space out the yogurt

to 4-5 hours in between getting it.

I am very interested in knowing about all of the properties of the

yogurt and why it is so powerful. I'm going to do a search on it, but

any additional info on it would be appreciated!

Thanks again for all of the help, this group has saved my life!

Tammy

>

> Tammy,

>

> It honestly sounds to me more like the yogurt triggered some

additional die-off, especially if you saw them improve afterwards, to

even better than they were before. Some kids have really strong

responses. It is POWERFUL stuff. You may have to go with just a TEENY

SPECK to start with.... just a few drops, maybe.

>

> I think the ear infection was most likely a coincidence... but it's

hard to know. Have they reacted to goat dairy before? What did you

typically see before when they were reacting to casein pre-SCD?

>

> Having seen improvement following the bad stuff, if I were you, I'd

be tempted to try again. I am inclined to believe it is die-off.

>

> best wishes,

> Patti

> 6 yr. old twins not tolerating

yogurt...what to do?

>

> My twins have been scd since Jan. 06 and I decided it was time to

> introduce the goat's milk yogurt. I made it last Friday and my

> daughter was in the middle of a cold. Well, a few days later

after

> starting the yogurt, it turned into an ear infection. I didn't

know

> if this was related? Also, both started having very loose bm's

with

> undigested (sorry, gross I know) food particals and my son was

having

> terrible behavior. I stopped after their third day of the yogurt.

> Keep in mind that I did as told and started with 1/8 of a tsp.,

then

> 1/4, and then 1/2 of the yogurt each day. My son also developed

> a " yeast " rash on his left bottom cheek.

>

> The two days following were much better after I stopped giving it

to

> them; the bm's were better formed and the behavior was way

better,

> almost better than before the yogurt. So, I decided on Friday to

> start it up again and gave it again today also. Well, they have

both

> had 4-5 really bad and runny bm's and my son's behavior is again

off

> the charts, plus he's been coughing a lot and wheezing as he

picked

> up the tail end of her cold. Is it a die off reaction that they

are

> having and yeast and bacteria is coming out of them, or is it the

> casein in the milk that they can't tolerate?

>

> Should I give up or is this encouraging? Should I just give them

1/4

> tsp. every Friday after school so it can help them but not over

power

> their little systems?

>

> Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tammy

>

September 3, 2006

Hi Tammy,

Starting SCD yogurt does often trigger new die-off symptoms. Yes, you CAN have

additional die-off. Sometimes there are some really resistant bacteria hanging

on by their fingernails down there... or yeast colonies that have set up camp in

the space where the bacteria used to live. Yeast REALLY doesn't like the good

bacteria in the yogurt.

If you feel like what you're seeing is more like the dairy reactions you saw

pre-SCD, you need to follow your instincts. It could be that their guts just

have not healed enough yet to tolerate it.

We always try to carefully observe what's going on, though... to be sure we're

not confusing die-off symptoms with dairy reaction. Often, the benefits of

yogurt begin to outweigh any negative... and the negative things eventually

prove to be temporary. But you are the mom! So trust your instincts!

VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION: Before now, have you used SCD nut milk yogurt? Or an

acidophilus supplement? If so, how have they tolerated the supplement or the nut

yogurt? No issues?

If you have not used either one...and no dairy yogurt either.... since starting

SCD in January, I am concerned about possible yeast issues. It's just so crucial

that the kids get an acidophilus supp or nut yogurt if they can't have the goat

yogurt.

Since your daughter is taking antibiotics right now, you DEFINITELY need to get

at LEAST an acidophilus supplement down her once she is all done taking the

antibiotic, as it will be killing off any good flora she had to begin with and