Starting again and have questions

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I am starting SCD with my 4 1/2 yo son again. We did SCD for over a

year and have been off SCD for a year. We just did a SAGE test and,

of course, rice, potato, and corn showed us as a problem. These are

the 3 starches we added back in. Over the past 3-4 months we have

been having more trouble with his constipation. His constipation is a

motility problem. He will go for days without going, then scream and

cry for several hours off and on, then his bm is like thick mud. Even

when we were SCD before, we never got his bowels moving correctly, but

he quit being bloated and gassy, and we were able to manage his C with

smaller amounts of mag. citrate and vitamin C. With this his bm's are

really runny, but he goes everyday. I am ready to get to the bottom

of this and get his bowel working correctly. If we don't see some big

improvements in 3 months, his doctor and nutritionist want him to be

scoped. If we have to we will, but we really want to avoid that. Here

are my questions since we are starting again.

1. I will be starting the goat yogurt again, since he is taking VSL#3

1/4 tsp. a day, do I still need to start the yogurt at such a small

dose or could I move up pretty quickly?

2. He has been eating frozen mango and peaches, along with raw apple,

banana, and grapes. None of those showed up as a problem on the SAGE,

and I haven't noticed a problem with them. If I go to the cooked

apple, how quickly do you think I could add these other fruits back in

uncooked, especially the mango (his ultimate favorite)?

3. How soon can nutbutter be added in? Nut flour?

4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages? I

don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal. I see

my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to eat. He

is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue. That is

why he likes his mango and peaches frozen so they aren't mushy. He

can't eat carrots, so I can't do the carrot chips. I know that as we

move through the stages, I have more recipes for things he will eat

and really like. It is just doing this beginning stage that I find

challenging, but I know it is so important! Thanks for your help.

Debbie

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I bake thinly sliced cheddar cheese at 400 degrees for about 10 minutes

and it makes really nice crispy " crackers " that taste like Cheezits

Not good for intro, but intro is only a short period of time.

Corin

> 4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages? I

> don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal. I see

> my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to eat. He

> is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue.

>

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Debbie,

I know you want to give SCD it's best shot to really work for him. You don't

want to impede the possibility of progress..... so you really do need to start

with all peeled and cooked. I can't say " how soon " you could add those raw foods

back.... each child is different.... but if I had to guess, I would have to say

at least several months.

You *could* think about cooking those fruits and then freezing the chunks and

letting him eat them that way. I would steam the mango..... till pretty soft...

then refreeze and see how it turns out. I know it will be " different " for

him.... and he may object, but you can try.

You may want to avoid cooked apple, though.... as it (and banana) are considered

to be " binding " . That means they will contribute to firming up the stool. Since

his gut issue is more to do with motility, I don't know if this is as applicable

to his case.... but you certainly want to avoid severe constipation.

You are giving up the VSL#3, right? It has all those bifidus strains in it that

are not SCD legal. Since he's been used to the probiotics, it may be that you

can move along fairly quickly with the goat yogurt.... but don't jump right in

to giving a whole cup the first day.

I think I would consider going ahead with nut butter (maybe not peanut butter

right away).... or even one of the finer nut flours, like Lucy's almond

flour.... for muffins and whatnot. These *can* be use with caution (start

small.... move up gradually) pretty early on.... and the nut flour will tend to

make the stool less firm, so you might play with that a little.

I know a good crunch cereal substitute is some of the SCD nut flour muffins....

broken into big " crumbs " and then toasted in a toaster oven or carefully under a

broiler.

If he can handle cheese, you could do the cheese crackers.... there is one

cheese cracker recipe on pecanbread.com that has almond flour in it... that

might be good. But you can also just bake slices of cheese on parchement or a

silpat...... I think you just bake it till bubbly and then take it out and let

it cool. Turns out crispy. Hopefully someone else can post the exact

instructions, I keep reading about this one but must admit I've not tried it.

Patti

Starting again and have questions

I am starting SCD with my 4 1/2 yo son again. We did SCD for over a

year and have been off SCD for a year. We just did a SAGE test and,

of course, rice, potato, and corn showed us as a problem. These are

the 3 starches we added back in. Over the past 3-4 months we have

been having more trouble with his constipation. His constipation is a

motility problem. He will go for days without going, then scream and

cry for several hours off and on, then his bm is like thick mud. Even

when we were SCD before, we never got his bowels moving correctly, but

he quit being bloated and gassy, and we were able to manage his C with

smaller amounts of mag. citrate and vitamin C. With this his bm's are

really runny, but he goes everyday. I am ready to get to the bottom

of this and get his bowel working correctly. If we don't see some big

improvements in 3 months, his doctor and nutritionist want him to be

scoped. If we have to we will, but we really want to avoid that. Here

are my questions since we are starting again.

1. I will be starting the goat yogurt again, since he is taking VSL#3

1/4 tsp. a day, do I still need to start the yogurt at such a small

dose or could I move up pretty quickly?

2. He has been eating frozen mango and peaches, along with raw apple,

banana, and grapes. None of those showed up as a problem on the SAGE,

and I haven't noticed a problem with them. If I go to the cooked

apple, how quickly do you think I could add these other fruits back in

uncooked, especially the mango (his ultimate favorite)?

3. How soon can nutbutter be added in? Nut flour?

4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages? I

don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal. I see

my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to eat. He

is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue. That is

why he likes his mango and peaches frozen so they aren't mushy. He

can't eat carrots, so I can't do the carrot chips. I know that as we

move through the stages, I have more recipes for things he will eat

and really like. It is just doing this beginning stage that I find

challenging, but I know it is so important! Thanks for your help.

Debbie

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>

> I am starting SCD with my 4 1/2 yo son again. We did SCD for over a

> year and have been off SCD for a year. We just did a SAGE test and,

> of course, rice, potato, and corn showed us as a problem. These are

> the 3 starches we added back in. Over the past 3-4 months we have

> been having more trouble with his constipation. His constipation is a

> motility problem. He will go for days without going, then scream and

> cry for several hours off and on, then his bm is like thick mud. Even

> when we were SCD before, we never got his bowels moving correctly, but

> he quit being bloated and gassy, and we were able to manage his C with

> smaller amounts of mag. citrate and vitamin C. With this his bm's are

> really runny, but he goes everyday. I am ready to get to the bottom

> of this and get his bowel working correctly. If we don't see some big

> improvements in 3 months, his doctor and nutritionist want him to be

> scoped. If we have to we will, but we really want to avoid that. Here

> are my questions since we are starting again.

>

> 1. I will be starting the goat yogurt again, since he is taking VSL#3

> 1/4 tsp. a day, do I still need to start the yogurt at such a small

> dose or could I move up pretty quickly?

>

> 2. He has been eating frozen mango and peaches, along with raw apple,

> banana, and grapes. None of those showed up as a problem on the SAGE,

> and I haven't noticed a problem with them. If I go to the cooked

> apple, how quickly do you think I could add these other fruits back in

> uncooked, especially the mango (his ultimate favorite)?

> 3. How soon can nutbutter be added in? Nut flour?

> 4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages? I

> don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal. I see

> my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to eat. He

> is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue. That is

> why he likes his mango and peaches frozen so they aren't mushy. He

> can't eat carrots, so I can't do the carrot chips. I know that as we

> move through the stages, I have more recipes for things he will eat

> and really like. It is just doing this beginning stage that I find

> challenging, but I know it is so important! Thanks for your help.

>

> Debbie

>

Yes, unfortunately for some, taking back ll those starches just starts the bar

process over.

You can make a granola like crunchy cereal with toasted nuts and dried fruits

abd add nut

milk to it.

The VSL #3 is not SCD legal and can cause regression. You will need plenty of

yogurt if you

insist on using that. In the future we will beposting a link with more

information on the

VSL# 3.

Crackers made of grated cheese, baked on parchment paper are crunchy.

You can make chips from both squash and beets.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

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Carol, correct me if I am mistaken. Wouldn't the granola like cereal with

toasted nuts and dried fruit be an advanced food? And, shouldn't she be

starting her son back at the beginning of scd since they've been off the

diet for a year now? I would assume that she should start from square one,

and gradually move through the stages just as any true beginner would. I

just want to make sure that she understands that the granola cereal, then,

would be several months down the road. Is this right?

Meleah scd 05/06

iel 3.5yrs. asd, Ethan 5yrs., Mark 18mths., both nt

Re: Starting again and have questions

>

>>

>> I am starting SCD with my 4 1/2 yo son again. We did SCD for over a

>> year and have been off SCD for a year. We just did a SAGE test and,

>> of course, rice, potato, and corn showed us as a problem. These are

>> the 3 starches we added back in. Over the past 3-4 months we have

>> been having more trouble with his constipation. His constipation is a

>> motility problem. He will go for days without going, then scream and

>> cry for several hours off and on, then his bm is like thick mud. Even

>> when we were SCD before, we never got his bowels moving correctly, but

>> he quit being bloated and gassy, and we were able to manage his C with

>> smaller amounts of mag. citrate and vitamin C. With this his bm's are

>> really runny, but he goes everyday. I am ready to get to the bottom

>> of this and get his bowel working correctly. If we don't see some big

>> improvements in 3 months, his doctor and nutritionist want him to be

>> scoped. If we have to we will, but we really want to avoid that. Here

>> are my questions since we are starting again.

>>

>> 1. I will be starting the goat yogurt again, since he is taking VSL#3

>> 1/4 tsp. a day, do I still need to start the yogurt at such a small

>> dose or could I move up pretty quickly?

>>

>> 2. He has been eating frozen mango and peaches, along with raw apple,

>> banana, and grapes. None of those showed up as a problem on the SAGE,

>> and I haven't noticed a problem with them. If I go to the cooked

>> apple, how quickly do you think I could add these other fruits back in

>> uncooked, especially the mango (his ultimate favorite)?

>> 3. How soon can nutbutter be added in? Nut flour?

>> 4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages? I

>> don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal. I see

>> my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to eat. He

>> is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue. That is

>> why he likes his mango and peaches frozen so they aren't mushy. He

>> can't eat carrots, so I can't do the carrot chips. I know that as we

>> move through the stages, I have more recipes for things he will eat

>> and really like. It is just doing this beginning stage that I find

>> challenging, but I know it is so important! Thanks for your help.

>>

>> Debbie

>>

> Yes, unfortunately for some, taking back ll those starches just starts the

> bar process over.

>

> You can make a granola like crunchy cereal with toasted nuts and dried

> fruits abd add nut

> milk to it.

>

> The VSL #3 is not SCD legal and can cause regression. You will need plenty

> of yogurt if you

> insist on using that. In the future we will beposting a link with more

> information on the

> VSL# 3.

>

> Crackers made of grated cheese, baked on parchment paper are crunchy.

>

> You can make chips from both squash and beets.

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

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Yes, it WOULD be too advanced for a new SCD-er to have whole nuts and dried

fruits.... and this kid needs to start from square one, so those would

definitely have to come later.

Patti

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Carol, correct me if I am mistaken. Wouldn't the granola like cereal with

toasted nuts and dried fruit be an advanced food?

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> Carol, correct me if I am mistaken. Wouldn't the granola like cereal with

> toasted nuts and dried fruit be an advanced food?

Absolutely, but at least she would have a cereal substitute to look forward to.

Iscramble eggs adding but flour and add yogurt in a bowl as I nevr made nut

milk. It tastes

like hot cereal if you add honey.

carol F.

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Thank you all for your replies to my questions. I definitely want

to start at the beginning and work my way up. I do plan to stop the

VSL#3, that is why I definitely wanted to start the goat yogurt

right away among other healing reasons. Carson can't eat cow

cheese, he is allergic to everything cow. When we were SCD before I

did start giving him raw goat cheddar, and he did fine with it. I

made those cheese and nutflour crackers using hazelnut flour. He

doesn't tolerate the almond flour. He loved those crackers. I was

going to hold off on adding back in the goat cheddar for a while.

His nutritionist said to wait for a couple of months on the nut

butter, but I thought I remembered adding it in pretty quickly last

time. Having those muffins and pancakes was the only way we stuck

it out at first that last time.

Debbie

>

> Debbie,

>

> I know you want to give SCD it's best shot to really work for him.

You don't want to impede the possibility of progress..... so you

really do need to start with all peeled and cooked. I can't say " how

soon " you could add those raw foods back.... each child is

different.... but if I had to guess, I would have to say at least

several months.

>

> You *could* think about cooking those fruits and then freezing the

chunks and letting him eat them that way. I would steam the

mango..... till pretty soft... then refreeze and see how it turns

out. I know it will be " different " for him.... and he may object,

but you can try.

>

> You may want to avoid cooked apple, though.... as it (and banana)

are considered to be " binding " . That means they will contribute to

firming up the stool. Since his gut issue is more to do with

motility, I don't know if this is as applicable to his case.... but

you certainly want to avoid severe constipation.

>

> You are giving up the VSL#3, right? It has all those bifidus

strains in it that are not SCD legal. Since he's been used to the

probiotics, it may be that you can move along fairly quickly with

the goat yogurt.... but don't jump right in to giving a whole cup

the first day.

>

> I think I would consider going ahead with nut butter (maybe not

peanut butter right away).... or even one of the finer nut flours,

like Lucy's almond flour.... for muffins and whatnot. These *can*

be use with caution (start small.... move up gradually) pretty early

on.... and the nut flour will tend to make the stool less firm, so

you might play with that a little.

>

> I know a good crunch cereal substitute is some of the SCD nut

flour muffins.... broken into big " crumbs " and then toasted in a

toaster oven or carefully under a broiler.

>

> If he can handle cheese, you could do the cheese crackers....

there is one cheese cracker recipe on pecanbread.com that has almond

flour in it... that might be good. But you can also just bake slices

of cheese on parchement or a silpat...... I think you just bake it

till bubbly and then take it out and let it cool. Turns out crispy.

Hopefully someone else can post the exact instructions, I keep

reading about this one but must admit I've not tried it.

>

> Patti

>

> Starting again and have questions

>

>

> I am starting SCD with my 4 1/2 yo son again. We did SCD for

over a

> year and have been off SCD for a year. We just did a SAGE test

and,

> of course, rice, potato, and corn showed us as a problem. These

are

> the 3 starches we added back in. Over the past 3-4 months we

have

> been having more trouble with his constipation. His constipation

is a

> motility problem. He will go for days without going, then scream

and

> cry for several hours off and on, then his bm is like thick mud.

Even

> when we were SCD before, we never got his bowels moving

correctly, but

> he quit being bloated and gassy, and we were able to manage his

C with

> smaller amounts of mag. citrate and vitamin C. With this his

bm's are

> really runny, but he goes everyday. I am ready to get to the

bottom

> of this and get his bowel working correctly. If we don't see

some big

> improvements in 3 months, his doctor and nutritionist want him

to be

> scoped. If we have to we will, but we really want to avoid that.

Here

> are my questions since we are starting again.

>

> 1. I will be starting the goat yogurt again, since he is taking

VSL#3

> 1/4 tsp. a day, do I still need to start the yogurt at such a

small

> dose or could I move up pretty quickly?

>

> 2. He has been eating frozen mango and peaches, along with raw

apple,

> banana, and grapes. None of those showed up as a problem on the

SAGE,

> and I haven't noticed a problem with them. If I go to the cooked

> apple, how quickly do you think I could add these other fruits

back in

> uncooked, especially the mango (his ultimate favorite)?

> 3. How soon can nutbutter be added in? Nut flour?

> 4. Any ideas for crispy crunchy things for the beginning stages?

I

> don't know what I am going to do to replace his crunchy cereal.

I see

> my biggest challenges as not having crunchy things for him to

eat. He

> is such a sensory eater, and texture is his biggest issue. That

is

> why he likes his mango and peaches frozen so they aren't mushy.

He

> can't eat carrots, so I can't do the carrot chips. I know that

as we

> move through the stages, I have more recipes for things he will

eat

> and really like. It is just doing this beginning stage that I

find

> challenging, but I know it is so important! Thanks for your help.

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> You *could* think about cooking those fruits and then freezing the

chunks and letting him eat them that way. I would steam the

mango..... till pretty soft... then refreeze and see how it turns

out. I know it will be " different " for him.... and he may object,

but you can try.

So, do you think it would be okay to give him the mango and peaches

pretty quick if I cook them first? I had thought about cooking them

and refreezing them, also doing that to the apple once it was cooked

since he probably won't like it mushy. I just wasn't sure how mango

would do cooked. It is such a soft mushy fruit already.

> You may want to avoid cooked apple, though.... as it (and banana)

are considered to be " binding " . That means they will contribute to

firming up the stool. Since his gut issue is more to do with

motility, I don't know if this is as applicable to his case.... but

you certainly want to avoid severe constipation.

I don't think the apple and banana bother him in that way, but I was

concerned about giving him so much cooked apple, also because he has

a phenol problem. I usually only give him about 1/2 an apple every

few days. I use golden delicious, and I peel it well. I don't

remember him having a problem when we were SCD before, but I also

added in other cooked fruits with his apple like peaches and

pineapple. He can't eat pineapple now based on his SAGE test, but

he liked the apple a lot better when I added in the other fruits. I

would leave the fruits chunky, but cook them really tender. He

loved it with his dripped yogurt. It was also really filling to him.

> I think I would consider going ahead with nut butter (maybe not

peanut butter right away).... or even one of the finer nut flours,

like Lucy's almond flour.... for muffins and whatnot. These *can*

be use with caution (start small.... move up gradually) pretty early

on.... and the nut flour will tend to make the stool less firm, so

you might play with that a little.

We did a lot of the hazelnut flour the last time because he seemed

to tolerate it the best of all the nuts. Do you think I could add a

little bit of coconut oil to it and see if I could get it into more

of a nutbutter consistency? Would that help him digest it better or

does it really matter?

Debbie

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<<So, do you think it would be okay to give him the mango and peaches

pretty quick if I cook them first?>>

Yes, after intro. I have to admit, I have never cooked and re-frozen mango...

so I don't know what it would turn out like.

<<We did a lot of the hazelnut flour the last time because he seemed

to tolerate it the best of all the nuts. Do you think I could add a

little bit of coconut oil to it and see if I could get it into more

of a nutbutter consistency? Would that help him digest it better or

does it really matter? >>

Good idea. I don't know about the digestibility part, but coconut oil is

good.... anti-fungal qualities.... so I would definitely give that a try.

Patti