Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb tinctures? I use tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the herbs, which they feel are actually helpful for the gut. So I'm a bit confused... Thanks, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 There are certain Brainchild products that are legal... and some that are not. Using the illegal ones would be your choice. I personally do not know which herbs they put in their other formulas. We are supposed to steer completely clear of the " mucilaginous herbs " . If you scroll back through the discussion on the list about those over the past couple of days, you'll find the list that Jazz posted of which ones are included in that description. Beyond that, Elaine doesn't have much to say about herbal remedies on her website, but do go look that up in her " Knowledge Base " at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info. I think if an herbal remedy (that is not in the mucilaginous category) is prescribed by your naturopath or whatever, then you should use it.... but in a form with no added illegals. A glycerin based tincture is best. Patti Herbs & herb tinctures What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb tinctures? I use tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the herbs, which they feel are actually helpful for the gut. So I'm a bit confused... Thanks, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Brainchild zinc also has xanthan gum in it, which is on the illegal supp additive list, but the zinc is under the legal list...?? I have no idea what a mucilaginous herb is (that thread had so many other posts mixed in I don't know how I'll ever find the relevant ones!). Michele > > There are certain Brainchild products that are legal... and some that are not. Using the illegal ones would be your choice. I personally do not know which herbs they put in their other formulas. > > We are supposed to steer completely clear of the " mucilaginous herbs " . If you scroll back through the discussion on the list about those over the past couple of days, you'll find the list that Jazz posted of which ones are included in that description. Beyond that, Elaine doesn't have much to say about herbal remedies on her website, but do go look that up in her " Knowledge Base " at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info. > > I think if an herbal remedy (that is not in the mucilaginous category) is prescribed by your naturopath or whatever, then you should use it.... but in a form with no added illegals. A glycerin based tincture is best. > > Patti > Herbs & herb tinctures > > > What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb tinctures? I use > tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic > practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on > Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the herbs, which > they feel are actually helpful for the gut. > > So I'm a bit confused... > Thanks, > Michele > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 If it has any illegal ingredient, then the whole thing is illegla. So, zince is legal, but the supplement has a type of gum in it. Thus, it's illegal. Meleah Herbs & herb tinctures >> >> >> What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb tinctures? > I use >> tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic >> practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on >> Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the herbs, > which >> they feel are actually helpful for the gut. >> >> So I'm a bit confused... >> Thanks, >> Michele >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Then it could be confusing that zinc is on the " legal supplements " list! It's listed under " allowed Brainchild supplements " - the Liquizinc (flavored & unflavored). I looked at ours & it had xanthan gum in it. It shouldn't be listed as allowed then. The other confusing thing is when I looked at the last part under " misc illegal supps " , Brainchild products are listed. So really they shouldn't be anywhere on the " legal " parts of the list. Just a newbie trying to not be more confused then I already am... Michele > >> > >> There are certain Brainchild products that are legal... and some > > that are not. Using the illegal ones would be your choice. I > > personally do not know which herbs they put in their other formulas. > >> > >> We are supposed to steer completely clear of the " mucilaginous > > herbs " . If you scroll back through the discussion on the list about > > those over the past couple of days, you'll find the list that Jazz > > posted of which ones are included in that description. Beyond that, > > Elaine doesn't have much to say about herbal remedies on her > > website, but do go look that up in her " Knowledge Base " at > > www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info. > >> > >> I think if an herbal remedy (that is not in the mucilaginous > > category) is prescribed by your naturopath or whatever, then you > > should use it.... but in a form with no added illegals. A glycerin > > based tincture is best. > >> > >> Patti > >> Herbs & herb tinctures > >> > >> > >> What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb tinctures? > > I use > >> tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic > >> practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on > >> Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the herbs, > > which > >> they feel are actually helpful for the gut. > >> > >> So I'm a bit confused... > >> Thanks, > >> Michele > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I would agree with you. That whole thing sounds confusing, and I hope that someone can shed a little better light on this. We don't use Brain Child, so I've never had this problem. If you look at the illegal additives list, it says gums of any kind. Meleah Herbs & herb tinctures >> >> >> >> >> >> What is the status on herbs for SCD? What about herb > tinctures? >> > I use >> >> tintures for healing sometimes & have one that my holistic >> >> practitioner has me on for adrenal issues. My son is also on >> >> Brainchild, which they say is only illegal because of the > herbs, >> > which >> >> they feel are actually helpful for the gut. >> >> >> >> So I'm a bit confused... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michele >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 It is legal, everybody. I know that sounds like a total contradiction.... BUT, Elaine personally discussed the whole situation with Lang (Brainchild's head guy) and eventually decided it would be fine.... but ONLY in this supplement line. She did NOT okay the other Brainchild formulas with the herbs.... I know, I know... don't start on me. Brainchild uses a specific pharmaceutical grade xanthan gum that is supposedly not harmful to the gut... and doesn't contribute to the bad guys. Like I said, Elaine discussed this with him. They tried and tried to come up with some other additive that would be legal, that would also keep all the vitamins and minerals in suspension for their liquid products... but could not find anything else, except things that would be worse. (How did I do, Terri?) I know this is giving everyone a headache.... but in this case ONLY, it's legal. Patti Re: Re: Herbs & herb tinctures I would agree with you. That whole thing sounds confusing, and I hope that someone can shed a little better light on this. We don't use Brain Child, so I've never had this problem. If you look at the illegal additives list, it says gums of any kind. Meleah Recent Activity a.. 23New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Michele, Reposting the thing about mucilaginous herbs that Jazz posted the other day. NOTE- These are the ones we are to AVOID: <<Here is what I found on mucilaginous herbs: http://www.theherbdoc.com/ConsumerEducation/Herbology/Classification.htm Mucilaginous Herbs Mucilaginous herbs derive their properties from the polysaccharides they contain, which give these herbs a slippery, mild taste that is sweet in water. All plants product mucilage in some form to store water and hydrates as a food reserve. Since most mucilages are not broken down by the human digestive system, but absorb toxins from the bowel and give bulk to the stool, these herbs are most effective topically as poultices and knitting agents, and are also used topically in the digestive tract. When used as lozenges or extracts, they have a demulcent action on the throat. Mucilaginous herbs produce four major effects. They: reduce bowel transit time absorb and eliminate toxins from the intestinal system help regulate intestinal flora produce a demulcent/vulnerary action Properties of Mucilaginous herbs include antibiotic, antacid, demulcent, emollient, culnerary, and detoxifier. Herbs in this classification include althea, aloe, burdock, comfrey, dandelion, echinacea, fenugreek, kelp, psylium, slippery elm, dulse, glucomannan from Konjak root, Irish moss, and mullein. >> Patti Re: Herbs & herb tinctures I have no idea what a mucilaginous herb is (that thread had so many other posts mixed in I don't know how I'll ever find the relevant ones!). Michele Recent Activity a.. 23New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yes, that's what I had found; thank you for your time today in answering all my questions - everyone that is. Michele > > Michele, > > Reposting the thing about mucilaginous herbs that Jazz posted the other day. NOTE- These are the ones we are to AVOID: > > <<Here is what I found on mucilaginous herbs: > http://www.theherbdoc.com/ConsumerEducation/Herbology/Classification. htm > > Mucilaginous Herbs > Mucilaginous herbs derive their properties from the polysaccharides they > contain, which give these herbs a slippery, mild taste that is sweet in > water. All plants product mucilage in some form to store water and hydrates > as a food reserve. Since most mucilages are not broken down by the human > digestive system, but absorb toxins from the bowel and give bulk to the > stool, these herbs are most effective topically as poultices and knitting > agents, and are also used topically in the digestive tract. When used as > lozenges or extracts, they have a demulcent action on the throat. > Mucilaginous herbs produce four major effects. They: > reduce bowel transit time > absorb and eliminate toxins from the intestinal system > help regulate intestinal flora > produce a demulcent/vulnerary action > > Properties of Mucilaginous herbs include antibiotic, antacid, demulcent, > emollient, culnerary, and detoxifier. Herbs in this classification include > althea, aloe, burdock, comfrey, dandelion, echinacea, fenugreek, kelp, psylium, > slippery elm, dulse, glucomannan from Konjak root, Irish moss, and mullein. >> > > Patti > > Re: Herbs & herb tinctures > > > > I have no idea what a mucilaginous herb is (that thread had so many > other posts mixed in I don't know how I'll ever find the relevant > ones!). > > Michele > > > Recent Activity > a.. 23New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Please let me clear up the confusion about BrainChild products: The following products are " approved " for the SCD: - LiquiZinc - Ultra-Sensitive Vitamins - Ultra-Sensitive Minerals What should be on the " not approved list " is all BrainChild products EXCEPT the ones listed above. Here's the history: Several years ago, when we were all at the AutismOne conference, we met with Elaine, and she personally approved LiquiZinc and the UltraSensitive Vitamins and Minerals for use on the SCD. She said that the tiny amount of xanthan gum was acceptable to her, because of the value of the supplements. To make a liquid suspension, something needs to be used to keep the ingredients suspended, and all the possible ingredients used for this are not legal on the SCD, so we are not able to make liquids without it. Without something to suspend the nutrients, they would fall to the bottom, in a " sludge " and a child might get way more or way less in each dose than is safe and effective. She did not approve any of our products with herbs in them. Tamaro, an experienced SCD parent, was there, and can confirm this account. Can someone put this info up on the site, so people won't be confused? Terri Mykland Business Manager BrainChild Nutritionals > > Then it could be confusing that zinc is on the " legal supplements " > list! It's listed under " allowed Brainchild supplements " - the > Liquizinc (flavored & unflavored). I looked at ours & it had xanthan > gum in it. It shouldn't be listed as allowed then. The other > confusing thing is when I looked at the last part under " misc > illegal supps " , Brainchild products are listed. So really they > shouldn't be anywhere on the " legal " parts of the list. > > Just a newbie trying to not be more confused then I already am... > > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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