Re: Day 2 of intro diet for 2 1/2 yr old. Not going well! Is a DAN doctor necessary?

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does he eat eggs? My 23 mos ASD son is also a skinny kid, 23 lbs, but

has been scd for four weeks and is much happier now. While he is not

yet packing on the pounds, there is a noticeable difference in his

attitdue and stools. He did loose about 1 lbs when we started the

diet and i'm not sure if its back on yet. He did not have constant

diareea, but rather large loose stools once a day or once every other

day, so he was only on the intro diet for one day, but after about

four days he got used to eggs every morning for breakfast. I cook

them over hard in coconut oil and salt and then slice them into

little bite size squares. Mine is also GFCF so we have eliminated

even more items and don't yet use the cheese or curd. Once we started

the muffins on day four things got easier. He loves the " scruptios

muffin suprise " found on the scddiet website. It is cubed almond

muffins, with half a bananna honey and peanut butter heated up and

then mixed together to form a hot cereal type consistancy. He also

love peanut butter balls which I use to sneak in supplements. But it

still seems most of his calories come from apple cider right now, but

who cares its working. When you look at what other children our kids

age eat, its not that bad. My sisters non ASD 3 yo twins came over

recently and the whole time they were here they had nothing but milk

and like two bits of some food matter, but they are fine. Don't worry

too much about not getting the quantity, he will get hungry, and the

food will start to look good. Wait him out.

As for enzymes I use No-Fenol and Peptizyse and my son can't function

without them. He is phenol sensitive, and even after SCD for four

weeks, If I miss the enzymes, hes a mess. Hope this helps.

sarah

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hi sarah,

where is the peanut butter ball recipe from??? i found this when i

was first researching the diet and have since not managed to come

across it again?

have you been on the diet for 4 weeks? what stage are you upto at

the moment? does your little one have gut issues like leaky gut? my

daughter is also sensitive to phenols but copes fine with enzymes.

we are doing the diet for leaky gut and multiple food issues and to

kill all the bad bugs (candida / strep / clostridia) - just hoping

the diet will do this as i dont hear many people talking about

treating these things???

to add calories, i add good fat to everything after its been cooked.

i add a tbl of oil to her soup before serving. i make meatballs or

sausages and then put a tsp of oil before serving. i cook eggs like

you, in a tbl of coconut oil and also use it as my 'butter' on

pancakes and muffins. we use all cold pressed organic oils -

macadamia oil, avocado oil and olive - and since adding this variety

to her diet she is gaining weight which is exciting!

would love to hear about your SCD experience and what you aim to

treat with this diet... thanks in advance!

roweena x

> does he eat eggs? My 23 mos ASD son is also a skinny kid, 23 lbs, but

> has been scd for four weeks and is much happier now. While he is not

> yet packing on the pounds, there is a noticeable difference in his

> attitdue and stools. He did loose about 1 lbs when we started the

> diet and i'm not sure if its back on yet. He did not have constant

> diareea, but rather large loose stools once a day or once every other

> day, so he was only on the intro diet for one day, but after about

> four days he got used to eggs every morning for breakfast. I cook

> them over hard in coconut oil and salt and then slice them into

> little bite size squares. Mine is also GFCF so we have eliminated

> even more items and don't yet use the cheese or curd. Once we started

> the muffins on day four things got easier. He loves the " scruptios

> muffin suprise " found on the scddiet website. It is cubed almond

> muffins, with half a bananna honey and peanut butter heated up and

> then mixed together to form a hot cereal type consistancy. He also

> love peanut butter balls which I use to sneak in supplements. But it

> still seems most of his calories come from apple cider right now, but

> who cares its working. When you look at what other children our kids

> age eat, its not that bad. My sisters non ASD 3 yo twins came over

> recently and the whole time they were here they had nothing but milk

> and like two bits of some food matter, but they are fine. Don't worry

> too much about not getting the quantity, he will get hungry, and the

> food will start to look good. Wait him out.

> As for enzymes I use No-Fenol and Peptizyse and my son can't function

> without them. He is phenol sensitive, and even after SCD for four

> weeks, If I miss the enzymes, hes a mess. Hope this helps.

> sarah

>

>

>

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> > does he eat eggs? My 23 mos ASD son is also a skinny kid, 23 lbs,

but

> > has been scd for four weeks and is much happier now. While he is not

> > yet packing on the pounds, there is a noticeable difference in his

> > attitdue and stools. He did loose about 1 lbs when we started the

> > diet and i'm not sure if its back on yet. He did not have constant

> > diareea, but rather large loose stools once a day or once every

other

> > day, so he was only on the intro diet for one day, but after about

> > four days he got used to eggs every morning for breakfast. I cook

> > them over hard in coconut oil and salt and then slice them into

> > little bite size squares. Mine is also GFCF so we have eliminated

> > even more items and don't yet use the cheese or curd. Once we

started

> > the muffins on day four things got easier. He loves the " scruptios

> > muffin suprise " found on the scddiet website. It is cubed almond

> > muffins, with half a bananna honey and peanut butter heated up and

> > then mixed together to form a hot cereal type consistancy. He also

> > love peanut butter balls which I use to sneak in supplements. But it

> > still seems most of his calories come from apple cider right now,

but

> > who cares its working. When you look at what other children our kids

> > age eat, its not that bad. My sisters non ASD 3 yo twins came over

> > recently and the whole time they were here they had nothing but milk

> > and like two bits of some food matter, but they are fine. Don't

worry

> > too much about not getting the quantity, he will get hungry, and the

> > food will start to look good. Wait him out.

> > As for enzymes I use No-Fenol and Peptizyse and my son can't

function

> > without them. He is phenol sensitive, and even after SCD for four

> > weeks, If I miss the enzymes, hes a mess. Hope this helps.

> > sarah

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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If you are new you may want to avoid the peanut butter for much, much

longer. It spelled nothing but disaster for us. At seven months we

still can not tolerate it without regression, both GI and behavioral.

Antoinette (scd 2/06)

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I'm going to say this again..... and again....

Raisins are NOT part of the intro diet. Nothing but juice and raisins is not

SCD intro.... and is NOT recommended by any of us here that are trying our best

to moderate the list and give guidance and support.

If you're still using the Nystatin with sugar in it, he is not really on SCD at

all. You may want to move on.....

But... MY opinion is.... you WOULD find that he would begin to eat some of the

new foods, accepting things that you never expected him to, IF you actually did

SCD correctly.... which means, get ALL the illegals out.... and stop using

raisins. These are NOT a beginner food.

If you started all over with the true intro diet.... and there are all kinds of

ideas for ASD/SCD intro on the pecanbread.com website.... as well as tricks for

picky eaters in the " Overcoming Difficulties " section, you would probably find

much greater success.

At this point, until you are prepared to start the diet correctly, it is my

opinion that you are doing more harm than good.... and that he will not make the

progress you were wanting.... and you may end up quitting and saying " SCD

didn't work " . But, you need to fully undertand that you aren't really doing SCD

right now.

As long as he's getting the sugar in the Nystatin .... and I have to say, it

just baffles me WHY they even PUT sugar in Nystatin, when it's supposed to be a

yeast killer. Maybe that explains why it often doesn't WORK..... but anyway, as

long as he's getting that sugar, you probably won't get anywhere.

I can't answer the questions about all the DAN treatments you want to know

about.

The powdered goat milk is okay to use to make SCD yogurt.... as long as you

reconsitute it properly.... no extra milk powder added to make it " thicker " , for

example.

The Vance's stuff is basically potato based.... and is SCD illegal.

Patti

Day 2 of intro diet for 2 1/2 yr old. Not going well! Is

a DAN doctor necessary?

my 2 1/2 yr old did not eat anything today but a few raisins and his

juices. his stools are surprisingly solid but he got all his

calories from juice. he has lost a couple pounds in the last 2 wks

down to 27# (<25% for his age). he is skin and bones. we did not

force feed him today and left food on plates around the house but he

was not interested. i made the cheese cookies with half of the

expensive farmer's cheese and he wouldn't touch them. he can hold

out forever with new foods so even going off the intro and trying

the new recipes may not work. i am at a loss.

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The probiotics you're using.... you say they are " therbiotics " ? Is that

Theralac... from Therabiotics, Inc? Or Ther-Biotics Complete from Klaire Labs?

If so, neither of those are SCD legal.

I'm also wondering if there could be some illegal sweetener in your B-12

chewables. I've never found a chewable or sublingual tablet B-12 that didn't

have illegals.

I just wanted to mention those... because I think most people who've been here

a while realise the importance of making sure you get all the trace bits of

sugar and starch out.... for better results in the long term.

Also.... just wanted to reiterate that Lara Bars are definitely NOT for

beginners (I know you know that). I personally would not recommend them at all

for anyone on SCD.... just my 2 cents.

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Amino Acids, Zinc, Molybendum, Grape seed extract, olive leaf extract,

Acidohpilous rotated with therbiotics - not sure if SCD legal),

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Hi mrsdeals,

> my 2 1/2 yr old did not eat anything today but a few raisins and

his

> juices. his stools are surprisingly solid but he got all his

> calories from juice. he has lost a couple pounds in the last 2 wks

> down to 27# (<25% for his age).

Many others have reported a small amount of weight loss at the

beginning of the diet. Possible reasons:

1. the body is adapting to the change in diet

2. the child is experiencing die off and isn't as hungry (epsom

salt baths and /or activated charcoal may help see

http://www.pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

3. they need to eat more calorie rich food then preSCD because they

need calories for regular day things but the extra calories for

healing the gut. The body is doing a lot of work to get well and

needs " fuel " to do it. If the child isn't getting enough they may

lose a little weight.

he is skin and bones. we did not

> force feed him today and left food on plates around the house but

he

> was not interested. i made the cheese cookies with half of the

> expensive farmer's cheese and he wouldn't touch them. he can hold

> out forever with new foods so even going off the intro and trying

> the new recipes may not work. i am at a loss. i need more

> suggestions for easy fun 2 yr old friendly foods & suggestions as

to

> how to coax him to taste a new item. he is going to daycare

tomorrow

> and will starve. his behavior was so much better which leads me to

> believe he may have milk sensitivities. maybe he isn't full of

yeast

> like i originally thought. i would be happier if i could take him

> off nystatin.

If the nystatin is feeding the yeast and other potential bad

microbes (bacteria etc..) than you may be undoing the good of the

diet. Is it very expensive to get the nystatin without sugar and

other illegals. I think some pharmacies carry it that way so you

may not need it specially compounded. You may have to call around

to check.

my twin 4 mos girls are both having very loose stools

> from milk based formulas like he did as a baby. i need to know

what

> kind of baby formula to change them to. is there a dairy-free

> formula that isn't soy based?

Are you going to put them on the diet also?

>

> does anyone know if maybud brand farmer's cheese is legal. it was

> almost $5 for 8oz. what do i need to ask the manufacturer when i

> call the 800# about the ingredients?

Ask them if the May-bud is like dry curd cottage cheese or similar

in consistency to Brick or Monterey Jack. The Farmer's cheese that

is similar to Brick or Monterey Jack, is not legal.

> is powdered goat milk from a health food store legal?

You can use powdered milk that has no illegal ingredients *if* you

follow the directions on the package to reconstitute it ie only add

the amount of skim milk powder that is directed for a certain amount

of water. Adding extra milk powder will make it illegal.

> is dairy-free

> milk from vancesfoods legal?

I believe this is still illegal. What are the ingredients?

> is it necessary to go to a DAN doctor to order the testing and

> supplements or can i get most of the supplements on-line and

without

> a prescription? which supplements can i get without a

prescription.

> i would like some digestive enzymes, probiotics, Cod Liver Oil,

B6,

> B12, Nystatin, Zinc, Calcium, Selenium, topical chelation and

> Cormega, guitefane, oxyC, etc...

Some use supplements, others don't. There are some supplements

listed at http://www.pecanbread.com/supplements.html

You can check the archives by using the search function to find out

what other list members use at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/messages

> is it better to do probiotics when on SCD and hold off on all of

the

> other supplements until after you have been on SCD for a while

then

> go and do more tests for yeast and nutritional levels before you

add

> all those supplements and vitamins?

Some have found thiis approach very satisfactory.

>should i at least be giving my

> son a multi vitamin?

If he is very picky this may help . Some multivits listed at the

supplement link above and also from

http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/freedavitamins.html

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and