OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this! I think your right, because Vitamin K2 is obtained

mainly from the " good " bacteria produced in the digestive tract and

our kids have dysbiosis so how are they gonna have any K2 at all?!

Plus, I read that only a very small amount of oxalate in the urine

is from your diet anyway...

I think that K2 will really help my son, thanks again.

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> http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

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>

> To the list - This is a link to a paper I wrote last week

concerning Vitamin

> K deficiency in autism. In this paper I address the issue of

oxalates,

> including some theories on the source of the oxalates, their

purpose, and

> how to get rid of them. Many of you are aware that a researcher

has been

> looking into oxalates as a contributor to autism this past year;

that

> researcher has concluded that oxalates in diet are a hazard, and

that a low

> oxalate diet will be beneficial for the kids. That researcher

established a

> listserve called Trying Low Oxalates in order to investigate

his/theories on

> this diet, including advising parents on how to implement a very

low oxalate

> diet. I have been on that list since its inception and have read

all the

> posts, including every one of the abstracts and all of the

positive and

> negative parental reports. I have also put my children on that

diet, twice.

> (For those of you who don't know me, my kids and I started the

Specific

> Carbohydrate Diet over 4 years ago. I am one of the original

members of

> this list although I haven't been active in a while.)

>

>

>

> I have come to some different conclusions concerning the source of

oxalates

> from the researcher's, and I believe my conclusions fit the data

better. I

> have no doubt that autistic children have lots of oxalate crystals

in their

> bodies, and many of the non-autistic people on SCD probably have

oxalate

> crystals too. However, I believe the primary source is endogenous

> production, not dietary absorption, and that the endogenous

production is

> occurring in humans for the same reason it occurs in plants: to

manage

> calcium. So the interesting question becomes, why does calcium

need to be

> managed? And the answer concerns the importance of calcium to the

nervous

> system, a topic which has not been addressed much by the DAN

researchers. I

> also have come to believe, based on both my research and my

experience with

> my sons, that the Low Oxalate Diet is unnecessary and ill-advised,

and that

> there is a much better way to remove oxalates from the body.

>

>

>

> Here is a summary of the paper:

>

>

>

> Vitamin K is an important vitamin that is probably deficient in

autistic

> kids and others with chronic illnesses. Vitamin K " activates "

bone proteins

> that " escort " calcium around the body. If the proteins can't be

activated

> due to a Vitamin K deficiency, the calcium is unescorted: that

means it

> leaves its proper storage places of bones and teeth, and gets

deposited in

> places it shouldn't like the blood vessels, the organs, and the

nervous

> system. Unmanaged calcium in the nervous system can overstimulate

the

> neurons, causing them to continue to fire repeatedly until they are

> exhausted and die.

>

>

>

> I believe (and this is a hypothesis) that a Vitamin K deficiency

causes the

> liver to produce oxalates. The oxalates bind up the unescorted

calcium so

> that it doesn't get into the nervous system. Later on, when the

diet

> includes Vitamin K again, the activated proteins pull the calcium

out of the

> calcium oxalate crystals, leaving the oxalic acid for disposal.

The body

> can dispose of oxalic acid via the kidneys and the intestines. It

appears

> that the intestines can dispose of quite a lot of oxalic acid, IF

the proper

> bacteria are available to degrade the oxalic acid into carbon,

hydrogen, and

> oxygen. The most specific bacterium for this job is called

Oxalobacter

> formigenes and it is easily killed by antibiotics. Lactic acid

bacteria can

> also degrade oxalic acid, and they too are easily killed by

antibiotics. So

> if the proper bacteria are not in the GI tract, the body will not

be able to

> dispose of much oxalic acid. Remember, too that Vitamin K is

produced by

> gut bacteria, and these Vitamin K-producing bacteria are again

easily killed

> by antibiotics.

>

>

>

> Dr. Clive Solomons, originator of the low oxalate diet, very

specifically

> stated that people should NOT stay at the " low " level for very

long because

> he found they began to produce oxalates. A low oxalate diet

excludes leafy

> greens, an important dietary source of Vitamin K, and people who

eliminate

> leafy greens from their diet run the risk of becoming depleted in

Vitamin K.

> The low oxalate diet as recommended for children with autism does

not

> include the use of Vitamin K. It does recommend the use of citrate

> minerals, especially calcium citrate and magnesium citrate, which

seem to

> chelate calcium from the CaOx crystals. However, without Vitamin

K in

> place, the chelated calcium is merely set loose into circulation,

without

> the " escort " proteins, to cause new problems elsewhere in the body.

>

>

>

> I believe the reason some kids have problems with SCD, or plateau

after a

> period of time, is that the probiotics - especially in the yogurt -

are

> dissolving calcium oxalate crystals in the intestines, but the

child is

> deficient in Vitamin K so the liberated calcium is now drifting

around the

> body again causing problems. More children should tolerate and

benefit from

> SCD, and the gains should be bigger, if they are also receiving

Vitamin K.

>

>

>

> The US RDA is the amount needed by the liver for blood clotting

functions

> only. The amount needed by the bond proteins is unknown. Some

Japanese

> studies on osteoporosis used an adult dose of 15 mg three times

daily (TID).

> To adjust for a child, divide the child's weight by 150 and apply

that

> fraction to the dose. Vitamin K appears to be a powerful calcium

chelator,

> and I recommend that parents proceed slowly with this nutrient. I

amusing

> Vitamin K2 from Thorne Research.

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[Guest guest]

This information on Vitamin K is from the Linus ing Institute. It

was not included in 's bibliography of references but we agree

it is quite comprehensive, so I wanted to share it.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminK/

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

So ,

What dosage of the Vitamin K are you trying, and what results are you

seeing?

Thanks for sharing your ideas on this. Very interesting.

[Guest guest]

I am using Vitamin K2 by Thorne Research. The dose used for adults in some

Japanese studies on osteoporosis was 15 mg three times daily (TID). One

drop of Thorne K2 = 1 mg. To adjust for a child you divide the child's

weight by 150 and apply that fraction to the adult dose. I can't say for

sure that is or is not the correct dose, but I think that since the kids

have such a " backlog " of calcium that needs to be cleaned up, they might

need a high dose for awhile. A friend here in Seattle took her 5-year-old

son to Dr. Dietrich Klinghard last week; Dr. Klinghardt is a fairly well

known doctor in alternative medicine who uses muscle testing extensively.

He verified that my friend's son needed Vitaminh K and that my suggested

dose was correct. So there's a little bit of feedback for those who believe

in muscle testing.

I noticed that around the second week, the K2 causes some insomnia. I put

my kids on the full dose immediately because I had no experience with the K2

but in hindsight I would say you might want to take 2 or 3 weeks to get your

child up to the full dose. The K2 is a strong calcium chelator and as the

CaOx crystals dissolve there will be some uncomfortable moments - as the

oxalic acid starts flowing out through the GI tract it causes diarrhea. We

learned some helpful tricks on the Low Oxalate Diet list which I summarized

in Appendix C of the paper.

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of & Elsass

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:34 AM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

So ,

What dosage of the Vitamin K are you trying, and what results are you

seeing?

Thanks for sharing your ideas on this. Very interesting.

[Guest guest]

Dear :

What are some of the behaviors that indicate the child has problems with

oxalates? Thank you, Eileen

UC SCD 12/04

daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

daughter eczema SCD 9/05

[Guest guest]

Well.my theory is that all kids with an autism or ADD or ADHD diagnosis have

a problem with oxalates. The oxalates are really an indication that there's

an underlying problem with calcium management, which is what causes the

" psychiatric " symptoms. Also keep in mind that oxalate crystals have been

found in the intestinal tissues of UC sufferers.

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Eileen Brown

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:05 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

Dear :

What are some of the behaviors that indicate the child has problems with

oxalates? Thank you, Eileen

UC SCD 12/04

daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

daughter eczema SCD 9/05

[Guest guest]

if aspergillus niger can make oxalic acid then its possible that

fungi in intestinal, kidney and kidney tubule biofilm can also

produce it

" Dr. Terry Beveridge of the University of Guelph told us how

microbes in biofilms facilitate the precipitation of mineral deposits

that become part of the biofilm and significantly modify the cellular

environment. This fundamental process may eventually prove to be

central to such diverse phenomena as microbially influenced

corrosion, biologically mediated scale formation, and the formation

of kidney stones. "

vitamin d and magnesium (amino acid chelates are the only suitable

form for supplementation) are deeply involved in minimsing mineral

precipitation in body tissue

cysteine, a whey protein turns down liver oxalate production

Formation of the L-cysteine-glyoxylate adduct is the mechanism by

which L-cysteine decreases oxalate production from glycollate in rat

hepatocytes.

Baker PW, Bais R, Rofe AM.

Division of Clinical Biochemistry, Institute of Medical and

Veterinary Science, Adelaide, South Australia.

Formation of thiazolidine-2,4-dicarboxylic acid, the L-cysteine-

glyoxylate adduct, is the putative mechanism by which L-cysteine

reduces hepatic oxalate production from glycollate [bais, Rofe and

Conyers (1991) J. Urol. 145, 1302-1305]. This was investigated in

isolated rat hepatocytes by the simultaneous measurement of both

adduct and oxalate formation. Different diastereoisomeric ratios of

cis- and trans-adduct were prepared and characterized to provide both

standard material for the enzymic analysis of adduct in hepatocyte

supernatants and to investigate the stability and configuration of

the adduct under physiological conditions. In the absence of L-

cysteine, hepatocytes produced oxalate from 2 mM glycollate at a rate

of 822 +/- 42 nmol/30 min per 10(7) cells. The addition of L-cysteine

to the incubation medium at 1.0, 2.5 and 5.0 mM lowered oxalate

production by 14 +/- 2, 25 +/- 3 (P < 0.05) and 38 +/- 3% (P < 0.01)

respectively. These reductions were accompanied by almost

stoichiometric increases in the levels of the adduct: 162 +/- 6, 264

+/- 27 and 363 +/- 30 nmol/30 min per 10(7) cells. Adduct formation

is therefore confirmed as the primary mechanism by which L-cysteine

decreases oxalate production from glycollate. As urinary oxalate

excretion is a prime risk factor in the formation of calcium oxalate

stones, any reduction in endogenous oxalate production is of clinical

significance in the prevention of this formation.

>

> Well.my theory is that all kids with an autism or ADD or ADHD

diagnosis have

> a problem with oxalates. The oxalates are really an indication

that there's

> an underlying problem with calcium management, which is what causes

the

> " psychiatric " symptoms. Also keep in mind that oxalate crystals

have been

> found in the intestinal tissues of UC sufferers.

>

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> _____

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> From: pecanbread

[mailto:pecanbread ] On

> Behalf Of Eileen Brown

> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:05 PM

> To: pecanbread

> Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and

Oxalates

>

>

>

> Dear :

>

> What are some of the behaviors that indicate the child has problems

with

> oxalates? Thank you, Eileen

> UC SCD 12/04

> daughter ADHD SCD 9/05

> daughter eczema SCD 9/05

>

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[Guest guest]

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> if aspergillus niger can make oxalic acid then its possible that

> fungi in intestinal, kidney and kidney tubule biofilm can also

> produce it

>

> " Dr. Terry Beveridge of the University of Guelph told us how

.

Thank you for the scholarly research. It takes me a while to absorb all the

implications but

two questions spring to mind:

1. How does this impact what we eat on the SCD?

2. How does this affect supplementation?

I gather from 's work that lowering oxalates too much for too long

eliminates the

valuable Vitamin K and makes the problem worse over long term. I also see she

believes

supplementing the diet with Vitamin K could be key.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Dear :

I have been unable to locate K2 locally. I did find an enzyme which is derived

from Japanese Nattto which is what the K2 on the internet says it is made from.

Do you know if these products are used at all in the autism community. The

health food store and the products itself seem to recommend the products to help

cardiovascular - like a chelator to get rid of plague out of the heart. Is

there any other brand other than the Thorne Group product that you recommend or

that others have used with success? I am going to do some research too. Eileen

Brown

UC SCD 12/04

daugther ADHD SCD 9/05

[Guest guest]

What about prunes for vitamin K? I remembered Adele listed them as high

in K in a book I read more than 30 years ago, and I confirmed it with a google

search yesterday. Then, too, if one has constipation, Sid Baker says prunes are

still one of the best treatments.

Ages ago, stewed prunes were a common breakfast fruit. Put some in a glass jar,

add boiling water, leave to soak until room temperature, then put a lid on the

jar and refrigerate. The prunes will plump up and make their own syrup. Serve

maybe four in a little bowl with some of the syrup. I think maybe some kids

would be intrigued with the cool " science experiment " and might be more inclined

to eat them, AT HOME. (My 12 year old is very sensitive to the image created by

odd sack lunches! I think he'd be mortified at the likely jokes if he had prunes

in front of anyone non-family.)

Lorilyn

Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

Dear :

I have been unable to locate K2 locally. I did find an enzyme which is derived

from Japanese Nattto which is what the K2 on the internet says it is made from.

Do you know if these products are used at all in the autism community. The

health food store and the products itself seem to recommend the products to help

cardiovascular - like a chelator to get rid of plague out of the heart. Is there

any other brand other than the Thorne Group product that you recommend or that

others have used with success? I am going to do some research too. Eileen Brown

UC SCD 12/04

daugther ADHD SCD 9/05

[Guest guest]

Dear :

I am sorry to bombard you with more questions but if you have time I would so

appreciate it.

Does reducing calcium (eliminating dairy) in the diet help with the oxylate

problem? shortterm help?

I am curious because I eliminated dairy about 3 months ago from my ADHD and I

did initially see some changes (she stopped wetting her pull ups). I have tried

to keep calcium high in her diet with other foods and bone broths though.

Are there are other symptoms that indicate calcium oxylate cystals are present

in the gastric system? any tests that can be performed?

Should magnesium be supplemented from the very beginning when starting to

supplement with K2?

What is in VSL3? I did a search and couldn't find the bacteria included in the

supplement - it only said " Lactic acid bacteria " .

Do you recommend any calcium supplementation during this time?

Is it Ok to supplement with a multivitamin during this time? I have one that

contains L glutamine, Should this be avoided initially?

When you talk about the bath or feet soak - do you mean to add all three at the

same time to the water (epson salts, salt and baking soda)? Does charcoal pills

help?

When during the protocol is if safe to add dairy again (goat's milk yogurt and

cheeses)?

I didn't think I had this many questions! I understand if you do not have the

time. Thank you for your paper which I have read two times to try and

understand. Eileen Brown

UC SCD 12/04

daughter 8 years old ADHD SCD 9/05

daughter 5 years old eczema food allergies

[Guest guest]

Eileen - When I looked online I found several different brands. The Thorne

brand is easy to use and can be found at www.illnessisoptional.com

<http://www.illnessisoptional.com/> . Allergy Research Group makes a gelcap

called Full Spectrum Vitamin K. Vitamin Research Products makes a capsule.

Carlson makes a gelcap. So there are many brands.

Vitamin K1 is found in green leafy vegetables, olive oil, and liver.

Vitamin K2 is found in chicken egg yolk, butter, cow liver, and natto.

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Eileen Brown

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:06 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

Dear :

I have been unable to locate K2 locally. I did find an enzyme which is

derived from Japanese Nattto which is what the K2 on the internet says it is

made from. Do you know if these products are used at all in the autism

community. The health food store and the products itself seem to recommend

the products to help cardiovascular - like a chelator to get rid of plague

out of the heart. Is there any other brand other than the Thorne Group

product that you recommend or that others have used with success? I am going

to do some research too. Eileen Brown

UC SCD 12/04

daugther ADHD SCD 9/05

[Guest guest]

I didn't used to think that giving calcium supplements (and I don't mean

dairy, but pills, powders etc.) was any big deal until I spent a year on the

Trying Low Oxalates (TLO) list and watched all the bad reactions. The kids

are most likely all very deficient in Vitamin K which means they can't

manage their calcium. It's also possible that the gut is " leaky " because

calcium is unmanaged. By " manage " I mean direct calcium to where it should

go, cement it into the bones and teeth, keep it out of the organs. The

addition of Vitamin K would cause those bone proteins to start to activate,

enabling them to grab the calcium and direct it around the body. The body

doesn't absorb all the calcium that goes through the digestive tract - some

just binds to food and is eliminated. The kids on the TLO list seemed to

react more to the supplemental calcium than the dairy calcium, leading me to

guess that too much of the supplemental calcium was being absorbed and was

flooding the calcium management system. I am definitely in favor of the

calcium in dairy and do NOT recommend that anyone stop using yogurt.

Right now it seems that no one looks for CaOx crystals if they aren't

causing kidney stones. But remember that CaOx crystals cause inflammation

so their presence should be suspected in anyone with GI or bowel problems.

I think that just by adding supplemental Vitamin K to your daughter's diet

and using the yogurt you can get rid of them over time. The yogurt is

necessary to manage the diarrhea that results when the oxalic acid from the

dissolving crystals is moved to the intestines for disposal - oxalic acid is

extremely irritating to the GI tissues and the probiotics will break it down

into its components so it doesn't irritate or burn the intestines on the way

out.

Yes, I feel strongly that magnesium should be supplemented. Be aware that

magnesium citrate will cause some of the crystals to dissolve. Using a

multivitamin is fine. I just don't know whether supplementing glutamine is

OK or not.

VSL#3 contains Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus acidophilus,

Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus plantarum, Bifidobacterium infantis,

Lactobacillus paracasei, Streptococcus thermophilus, and Lactobacillus

bulgaricus in a base of either corn starch or maltose/natural

flavorings/silicon dioxide. It is NOT SCD legal but the reason I am using

it is several of the Bididobacteria species are particularly good at

degrading oxalates in the intestines. I use the unflavored version and

make yogurt out of it.

Yes, for the foot soak or bath you add all three ingredients at once. The

sulfate in the Epsom salts, the bicarbonate in the baking soda, and the

chloride in the sea salt, all exchange for oxalates in the cells, so the

purpose of the baths/footbaths is to absorb these substances, which will

allow them to substitute for oxalates inside the cells. It will also help

balance the body's pH which will really get pushed out of balance as the

oxalic is liberated form the crystals. I use 1 cup Epsom salts, 1 cup

baking soda, and 2 tablespoons in the footbath. For a bath you would

probably quadruple those quantities. The reason I give the footbaths is

it's easier and therefore more likely to get done.

Charcoal has no effect on oxalates.

HTH,

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Eileen Brown

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:05 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and Oxalates

Dear :

I am sorry to bombard you with more questions but if you have time I would

so appreciate it.

Does reducing calcium (eliminating dairy) in the diet help with the oxylate

problem? shortterm help?

I am curious because I eliminated dairy about 3 months ago from my ADHD and

I did initially see some changes (she stopped wetting her pull ups). I have

tried to keep calcium high in her diet with other foods and bone broths

though.

Are there are other symptoms that indicate calcium oxylate cystals are

present in the gastric system? any tests that can be performed?

Should magnesium be supplemented from the very beginning when starting to

supplement with K2?

What is in VSL3? I did a search and couldn't find the bacteria included in

the supplement - it only said " Lactic acid bacteria " .

Do you recommend any calcium supplementation during this time?

Is it Ok to supplement with a multivitamin during this time? I have one that

contains L glutamine, Should this be avoided initially?

When you talk about the bath or feet soak - do you mean to add all three at

the same time to the water (epson salts, salt and baking soda)? Does

charcoal pills help?

When during the protocol is if safe to add dairy again (goat's milk yogurt

and cheeses)?

I didn't think I had this many questions! I understand if you do not have

the time. Thank you for your paper which I have read two times to try and

understand. Eileen Brown

UC SCD 12/04

daughter 8 years old ADHD SCD 9/05

daughter 5 years old eczema food allergies

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been reading this thread on vitamin K with a great deal of

interest. Thank you so very much for sharing this information with

us.

Yesterday was our three year anniverary on SCD (I really can't

believe it!). I'm wondering if Vitamin K, by controlling oxalates,

can get to the bottom of the problem of all the children having to be

on special diets. I know I'll never go back to giving my kids junk

food and processed foods, but I would like to think that they may be

able to occasionally stray from the diet once in a while without any

behavioral and GI repercussions.

Thanks again for posting this. You're an awesome mom!

Best,

Kate

>

> I didn't used to think that giving calcium supplements (and I don't

mean

> dairy, but pills, powders etc.) was any big deal until I spent a

year on the

> Trying Low Oxalates (TLO) list and watched all the bad reactions.

The kids

> are most likely all very deficient in Vitamin K which means they

can't

> manage their calcium. It's also possible that the gut is " leaky "

because

> calcium is unmanaged. By " manage " I mean direct calcium to where

it should

> go, cement it into the bones and teeth, keep it out of the organs.

The

> addition of Vitamin K would cause those bone proteins to start to

activate,

> enabling them to grab the calcium and direct it around the body.

The body

> doesn't absorb all the calcium that goes through the digestive

tract - some

> just binds to food and is eliminated. The kids on the TLO list

seemed to

> react more to the supplemental calcium than the dairy calcium,

leading me to

> guess that too much of the supplemental calcium was being absorbed

and was

> flooding the calcium management system. I am definitely in favor

of the

> calcium in dairy and do NOT recommend that anyone stop using yogurt.

>

>

>

> Right now it seems that no one looks for CaOx crystals if they

aren't

> causing kidney stones. But remember that CaOx crystals cause

inflammation

> so their presence should be suspected in anyone with GI or bowel

problems.

> I think that just by adding supplemental Vitamin K to your

daughter's diet

> and using the yogurt you can get rid of them over time. The yogurt

is

> necessary to manage the diarrhea that results when the oxalic acid

from the

> dissolving crystals is moved to the intestines for disposal -

oxalic acid is

> extremely irritating to the GI tissues and the probiotics will

break it down

> into its components so it doesn't irritate or burn the intestines

on the way

> out.

>

>

>

> Yes, I feel strongly that magnesium should be supplemented. Be

aware that

> magnesium citrate will cause some of the crystals to dissolve.

Using a

> multivitamin is fine. I just don't know whether supplementing

glutamine is

> OK or not.

>

>

>

> VSL#3 contains Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus acidophilus,

> Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus plantarum, Bifidobacterium

infantis,

> Lactobacillus paracasei, Streptococcus thermophilus, and

Lactobacillus

> bulgaricus in a base of either corn starch or maltose/natural

> flavorings/silicon dioxide. It is NOT SCD legal but the reason I

am using

> it is several of the Bididobacteria species are particularly good at

> degrading oxalates in the intestines. I use the unflavored

version and

> make yogurt out of it.

>

>

>

> Yes, for the foot soak or bath you add all three ingredients at

once. The

> sulfate in the Epsom salts, the bicarbonate in the baking soda, and

the

> chloride in the sea salt, all exchange for oxalates in the cells,

so the

> purpose of the baths/footbaths is to absorb these substances, which

will

> allow them to substitute for oxalates inside the cells. It will

also help

> balance the body's pH which will really get pushed out of balance

as the

> oxalic is liberated form the crystals. I use 1 cup Epsom salts, 1

cup

> baking soda, and 2 tablespoons in the footbath. For a bath you

would

> probably quadruple those quantities. The reason I give the

footbaths is

> it's easier and therefore more likely to get done.

>

>

>

> Charcoal has no effect on oxalates.

>

>

>

> HTH,

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: pecanbread

[mailto:pecanbread ] On

> Behalf Of Eileen Brown

> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:05 PM

> To: pecanbread

> Subject: Re: OT: Paper on Autism, Vitamin K, and

Oxalates

>

>

>

> Dear :

>

> I am sorry to bombard you with more questions but if you have time

I would

> so appreciate it.

>

> Does reducing calcium (eliminating dairy) in the diet help with the

oxylate

> problem? shortterm help?

>

> I am curious because I eliminated dairy about 3 months ago from my

ADHD and

> I did initially see some changes (she stopped wetting her pull

ups). I have

> tried to keep calcium high in her diet with other foods and bone

broths

> though.

>

> Are there are other symptoms that indicate calcium oxylate cystals

are

> present in the gastric system? any tests that can be performed?

>

> Should magnesium be supplemented from the very beginning when

starting to

> supplement with K2?

>

> What is in VSL3? I did a search and couldn't find the bacteria

included in

> the supplement - it only said " Lactic acid bacteria " .

>

> Do you recommend any calcium supplementation during this time?

>

> Is it Ok to supplement with a multivitamin during this time? I have

one that

> contains L glutamine, Should this be avoided initially?

>

> When you talk about the bath or feet soak - do you mean to add all

three at

> the same time to the water (epson salts, salt and baking soda)? Does

> charcoal pills help?

>

> When during the protocol is if safe to add dairy again (goat's milk

yogurt

> and cheeses)?

>

> I didn't think I had this many questions! I understand if you do

not have

> the time. Thank you for your paper which I have read two times to

try and

> understand. Eileen Brown

> UC SCD 12/04

> daughter 8 years old ADHD SCD 9/05

> daughter 5 years old eczema food allergies

>

>