Re: Carol, Patti..fruit snack bar

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>

> The stuff are digestive wellness are just not SCD legal or they just

> don't taste well. My son likes the fruit snack and the chips so much,

> are they not SCD legal?

>

I repeat, some items have had to be removed from time to time because they were

not

legal. This has happened over a period of at least five years. I no longer know

what is and

is not legal and possibly Mimi does.

My personal choice not to bother with the products is based on having tasted

three kinds

of stale DW cookies and I don't care to try again.

In as much time as is required to fill out an Internet order form, credit card

etc. I can dump

eggs, almond flour, baking soda, vanilla etc. in my food processor, onto some

parchment

lined cookie tins and into the oven. I do not have to pay tax, Canadian Customs,

shipping

or wait at home for the delivery service or clutter up the recycle with

uneccessary

packaging

This is a personal opinion and choice not refelective of the many satisfied

clients of

Digestive Wellness.

You will have to try it yourself and judge.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, Celiac

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I have heard from Mimi that the people at Digestive Wellness are committed to

making sure all of their products are SCD legal.... BUT, with that said, many

things there are not for SCD beginners. Some snack foods have dried fruit and

whole nuts that are only for those who've been on the diet quite some time.

I think Carol was trying to suggest caution.... because one cannot necessarily

eat EVERYthing DW makes and do okay. Each person still needs to go carefully

forward with foods that are easy to digest in the beginning weeks/months. Some

of the DW products will be too much for a gut that has not healed significantly.

Use common sense.

Patti

Carol, Patti..fruit snack bar

The stuff are digestive wellness are just not SCD legal or they just

don't taste well. My son likes the fruit snack and the chips so much,

are they not SCD legal?

[Guest guest]

>

> I have heard from Mimi that the people at Digestive Wellness are committed to

making

sure all of their products are SCD legal.... BUT, with that said, many things

there are not

for SCD beginners. Some snack foods have dried fruit and whole nuts that are

only for

those who've been on the diet quite some time.

>

> I think Carol was trying to suggest caution.... because one cannot

necessarily eat

EVERYthing DW makes and do okay. Each person still needs to go carefully forward

with

foods that are easy to digest in the beginning weeks/months. Some of the DW

products

will be too much for a gut that has not healed significantly. Use common sense.

>

> Patti

>

Carol was reminding people that DW has had to remove various products more than

once

in the past and we still know more about SCD than they do. Esther Weiss,

currently in

charge there is cooperative, consults with us and has the best of intentions

and I am sure

the products are a boon to those who insist on some degree of convenience.

Elaine was never entirely happy with DW and threatened to disclaim them several

times. I

do not know who monitors them now.

Elaine has always warned about all storebought products except those she

approved and

they too could be subject to change. Elaine discusses this in BTVC, and we do on

the

Pecanbread website. There are no guarantees with third party foods. Also, people

have

different tastes, I happen to dislike what I have tasted from DW, others like

it.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

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Whole Foods was sampling Larbars the other day and I looked at the ingredients.

The only

one that seemed OK for me was the Pecan Pie which had only dates, pecans and

almonds.

Most of the others contained some illegal ingredients.

I didn't like the taste and am able to make these bars at home with my Omega

8002 Juicer

food cone.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

> Whole Foods was sampling Larbars the other day and I looked at the

ingredients.

The only

> one that seemed OK for me was the Pecan Pie which had only dates, pecans and

almonds.

>

> Most of the others contained some illegal ingredients.

>

> I didn't like the taste and am able to make these bars at home with my Omega

8002

Juicer

> food cone.

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

>

Perhaps DW does not sell the Lemon Bar which contains natural lemon flavor and

lemon

juice concentrate or The Chocolate Coconut Bar would also be illegal.

Carol F,

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Nope - they don't sell the flavors that are not legal.

carolfrilegh wrote:

> Whole Foods was sampling Larbars the other day and I looked at the

ingredients.

The only

> one that seemed OK for me was the Pecan Pie which had only dates, pecans and

almonds.

>

> Most of the others contained some illegal ingredients.

>

> I didn't like the taste and am able to make these bars at home with my Omega

8002

Juicer

> food cone.

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>

>

Perhaps DW does not sell the Lemon Bar which contains natural lemon flavor and

lemon

juice concentrate or The Chocolate Coconut Bar would also be illegal.

Carol F,

SCD 6 years, celiac

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>

> I use them for my daughter who hates the concept of home made food. I

> do not give them to my son who is super compliant since he is very

> happy with the home made products. My son loves to bake his own

> cookies and it is a great social activity.

>

> Homemade food does taste better. However,the products from Digestive

> Wellness do taste better than the ready made GFCF products and most

> supermarket cookies.

>

> Digestive Wellness has a new manager and she is very eager to make

> sure that the products comply with SCD.

>

> Mimi

>

I don't fault her eagerness. When we order a product we must be able to rely on

integrity

not intention.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

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Only the cinnamon roll, cashew cookie, lemon bar, pecan pie, and ginger

snap larabars are legal? (These are the ones Digestive Wellness is selling)

What is illegal in the apple pie larabar? The ingredients are: dates,

walnuts, unsweetened apples, almonds, raisins, cinnamon.

Since my son no longer has obvious digestive symptoms, it is hard for me to

tell if a food is disagreeing with him. Can I go by neurological

symptoms? This is hard too because it depends on the situation: he will

act almost recovered in a situation he is comfortable in, such as at home,

but then act very autistic in a more chaotic or novel situation, such as a

cub scout meeting or any event where there are a lot of people or change of

routine.

mother of Adam (8, PDD-NOS, Lyme, hypotonia, asthma, egg allergy, SCD 7/06)

On 10/22/06, dena berko

wrote:

> > Nope - they don't sell the flavors that are not legal.

> >

> > carolfrilegh <<mailto:c.frilegh%40sympatico.ca>c.frilegh@...>

> wrote:

> > > Whole Foods was sampling Larbars the other day and I looked at the

> > ingredients.

> > The only

> > > one that seemed OK for me was the Pecan Pie which had only dates, pecans

> > and

> > almonds.

> > >

> > > Most of the others contained some illegal ingredients.

> > >

> > > I didn't like the taste and am able to make these bars at home with my

> > Omega 8002

> > Juicer

> > > food cone.

> > >

> > > Carol F.

> > > SCD 6 years, celiac

> > >

> > >

> > Perhaps DW does not sell the Lemon Bar which contains natural lemon flavor

> > and lemon

> > juice concentrate or The Chocolate Coconut Bar would also be illegal.

> >

> > Carol F,

> > SCD 6 years, celiac

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

, this is where we are at with healing but I can tell by his behavior. He

gets bad attitudes and is just mean. So I do know if he has something. Some

days it takes me awhile to put it together. I can also tell by his handwriting

too. My son can't adjust to being out and doing something and coming home and

doing routine stuff again. Although I do think they are 2 different things we

are dealing with. He's 16 now and on scd for 2 3/4 yrs. Pearl

wrote:

Since my son no longer has obvious digestive symptoms, it is hard for me to

tell if a food is disagreeing with him. Can I go by neurological

symptoms? This is hard too because it depends on the situation: he will

act almost recovered in a situation he is comfortable in, such as at home,

but then act very autistic in a more chaotic or novel situation, such as a

cub scout meeting or any event where there are a lot of people or change of

routine.

[Guest guest]

>

> Only the cinnamon roll, cashew cookie, lemon bar, pecan pie, and ginger

> snap larabars are legal? (These are the ones Digestive Wellness is selling)

>

> What is illegal in the apple pie larabar? The ingredients are: dates,

> walnuts, unsweetened apples, almonds, raisins, cinnamon.

,

I am not prepared to say any Larabar is legal.

Aside from what Elaine already legalized, I have no authority to declare

anything legal. You

can see what the moderators say . Anything storebought you opt to use is at your

own risk

and should be discontinued if regression occurs.

Elaine was clear in her book about stuff ordered on the Internet and we have

devoted a

section of the website to it,

If anyone insists on using Larabar they should know it would fall into an

advanced

category or be post SCD instead of taking back candy with sugar.

Maybe something is wrong with me, but I tasted the samples at Whole Foods and

disliked

them. The ones with illegals gave me pain and I had about a 1/2 square " of

each. I make

my own dried fuit and nut treats.

It's one more example IMO of Digestive Wellness " doing their own thing. " If I am

wrong

then Mimi, Patti or Charlene can override my comments.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> And you doubt her integrity? You really think that any of the items there have

even 1%of

starch? I really trust DW, and rely on them constantly. Don't know what you have

so

against them... At least don't announce it : (

>

> -Dena Berko

> 2 Kids on SCD - 6 mo.

>

I don't doubt they are honest about ingredients. When Elaine was alive they

included illegal

items like some kind of pmegranate product for example and intimated they were

OK for

SCD. Elaine wanted to disclaim DW but Mimi defended their special value to a

particular

community and many of the products also are Kosher.

Elaine got around DW by warning against storebought food in genral in edition 10

of

BTVC.

My dislike of DW is based on the fact that they don't know SCD like we do and I

would take

our word for what's legal before theirs. My second objection was how awful i

found the

three kinds of cookies I tasted from DW but they may have been stale.

I have had occasion to use J. Gourmet products in Toronto and worked with Jodi

Bager in

SCD cooking classes. Our foods were tops. Elaine personally tasted and approved

Jodi's

food which is retailed. Despite that I rarely buy stuff.

So my opinions are personal but with good reason. I will revise them if I taste

good

product from DW as long as DW meets our standards of legality.

I checked the website for DW and these are my comments on some of the products:

raw honey unheated and unfiltered. Elaine said clear honey and perferably

pasteurized

Spectrum hydrogenated shortening- Elaine did not like hydrogenated shortening

Note about Larabar on webite

• NOTE: " Do not use these bars when digestive symptoms are still active. "

Dena are your symptoms gone?

Yellow Mustard " organic spices " which ones?

Lusardi's Marinara Sauce; Elaine said no bottled or canned vegetables

Honey Apricot Spread contains dried fruit and is for advanced

I welcome any corrections of my observations by the moderaors.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Just my two cents on ONE item.... the Spectrum shortening is NOT hydrogenated.

You may have misread that one. Spectrum's palm oil shortening is legal.

Patti

Re: Carol, Patti..fruit snack bar

<<I checked the website for DW and these are my comments on some of the

products:>>

<<Spectrum hydrogenated shortening- Elaine did not like hydrogenated

shortening>>

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Also... their yellow mustard does not contain organic spices....

Patti wrote: Just my two cents on ONE item....

the Spectrum shortening is NOT hydrogenated. You may have misread that one.

Spectrum's palm oil shortening is legal.

Patti

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>

> Instead of being so aggressive, why don't you work with them- if they're so

honest and

good willing? Do you want them not to be open at all? Do you think half of the

people on

SCD would manage?! I think what you're doing is really unethical.

> Again, Carol, please understand that you have more time and talents than

most of us

have. I wish all would be homemade by me, but what can I do? Everybody knows

it's

recommended. But this is very good as a second choice.

>

>

I initially tried. It was decided that Sheila would be the one to work with

them and I have

agreed to ket her dialogue with Esther Weiss. Sheila is ill at the moment. I am

not angry. I

am responding with my reasons for not using or personally recommending DW and

have

been very clear that to do so is the personal right and decision of each

individual.

DW is a profit making business and I feel no compunction to help them just as I

do not

interfere in the affairs of J.Gourmet.

I doubt that people can't manage to do SCD without store bought food. And no one

is

telling those of us who are urban dwellers to milk cgoats, keep hens or make our

own

cheese.

Dena is you want to use DW stuff, do so by all means. You don't need my

approval. I am

not authorized to say they are legal.

Carol F.

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Just my two cents on ONE item.... the

Spectrum

shortening is NOT hydrogenated. You may have misread that one. Spectrum's palm

oil

shortening is legal.

>

> Patti

>

DW says:

Bakes and substitutes like conventional shortening, but is free of soy, corn,

dairy, and

coconut. Made from organic palm oil, which is naturally solid at room

temperature without

hydrogenation & contains no trans fatty acids.

Ingredients: 100% mechanically pressed organic palm fruit oil.

KSA Certified Kosher

Palm oil has long been known to promote heart disease, but a new report from the

nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) says that palm oil

production also

promotes destruction of the rainforest, particularly in Malaysia and Indonesia.

Further loss

of forest may push endangered animal species, including orangutans, Sumatran

tigers,

and Sumatran rhinos, into extinction.

Production of palm oil is spiking upward, partly because some food manufacturers

are

seeking alternatives for partially hydrogenated oils, which promote heart

disease. CSPI

strongly urges manufacturers to replace partially hydrogenated oils, but to

switch to the

most healthful oils possible. Companies that must use palm oil should use as

little as

possible and obtain it from environmentally sustainable sources, says the group.

Just my objection!

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, Celiac

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Carol....

Are you copying info from two different sources here? I notice that the first

paragraph looks like it is from the ingredient list, which says this about the

Spectrum palm shortening:

<<without hydrogenation >>

That is all I was trying to point out.... you said it was hydrogenated, and it

is NOT. We don't have Elaine here to tell us whether or not she would want us

using much of the UNhydrogenated palm shortening.

I think she WAS aware, though, of the SCD moms using coconut oil, which is also

used like the shortening, as a replacement for butter in recipes.... for those

who can't or won't use dairy butter.

As far as I know, she did not have an issue with that. I personally would have

to look at further information sources as to whether or not the non-hydrogenated

palm oil " promotes heart disease " . Can you please divulge the source you used

for that particular quote?

Patti

Re: Carol, Patti..fruit snack bar

Just my two cents on ONE item.... the Spectrum

shortening is NOT hydrogenated. You may have misread that one. Spectrum's palm

oil

shortening is legal.

>

> Patti

>

DW says:

Bakes and substitutes like conventional shortening, but is free of soy, corn,

dairy, and

coconut. Made from organic palm oil, which is naturally solid at room

temperature without

hydrogenation & contains no trans fatty acids.

Ingredients: 100% mechanically pressed organic palm fruit oil.

KSA Certified Kosher

Palm oil has long been known to promote heart disease, but a new report from

the

nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) says that palm oil

production also

promotes destruction of the rainforest, particularly in Malaysia and

Indonesia. Further loss

of forest may push endangered animal species, including orangutans, Sumatran

tigers,

and Sumatran rhinos, into extinction.

Production of palm oil is spiking upward, partly because some food

manufacturers are

seeking alternatives for partially hydrogenated oils, which promote heart

disease. CSPI

strongly urges manufacturers to replace partially hydrogenated oils, but to

switch to the

most healthful oils possible. Companies that must use palm oil should use as

little as

possible and obtain it from environmentally sustainable sources, says the

group.

Just my objection!

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, Celiac

[Guest guest]

<<Are you copying info from two different sources here?>>

<<Can you please divulge the source you used for that particular

quote?

Patti>>

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Yes, I forgot the URLs for the Palm Oil info and here they are:

http://www.cspinet.org/new/200506021.html

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:kkt5mkQOqO0J:www.cspinet.org/palmoilreport/

PalmOilReport.pdf+is+palm+oil+healthy%3F & hl=en & gl=ca & ct=clnk & cd=3

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QA/QA118473/

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

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Does this include red palm oil?

Michele

>

>

> <<Are you copying info from two different sources here?>>

> <<Can you please divulge the source you used for that particular

> quote?

> Patti>>

>

> --------------------

>

> Yes, I forgot the URLs for the Palm Oil info and here they are:

>

> http://www.cspinet.org/new/200506021.html

>

> http://72.14.203.104/search?

q=cache:kkt5mkQOqO0J:www.cspinet.org/palmoilreport/

> PalmOilReport.pdf+is+palm+oil+healthy%3F & hl=en & gl=ca & ct=clnk & cd=3

>

> http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QA/QA118473/

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 6 years, celiac

>