Re: unbalanced?

[Guest guest]

Hi All, I do not see where 's actions show an imbalance at all .I

believe she is upset,VERY upset.And not because of any falling out w/

DrR.She says clearly in her website she is upset because she has developed

Barrett's Esophagus AND she is being informed by other physicians that this

is a long known side affect of Billroth II.She is also upset because she had

WEIGHTLOSS SURGERY,SCREWED UP HER GUTS AND IS NOT EVEN GETTING THE

PERQUISITE OF LOSING WEIGHT.I would really like to have this surgery,and

have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems people are

having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this group would

rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's posts,she tells it

like it is. Janet

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Hello Janet,

I agree with you, I'd also like to know of any problems people

are having. I'm not saying its Dr. R's fault, because anyone can

develope problems. I would like to know, and it would help me

also to make a good and right decision. I also miss 's notes.

I think she done a wonderful job with the site. And she has been

there for others, why the drastic turn around with others in this

group. What is going on.

Joyce

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I respectively disagree with you that everyone on this list is having

a pep rally for Dr. R. There have been numerous posts today about

people who are not necessarily happy with the treatment they have

received. As for - no one can say positively what caused her

Barrett's esophagus. I can tell you that my father-in-law has it and

we were told that it was caused from YEARS of untreated bile reflux

into the esophagus. As for " screwing up her insides " yes, that is

what surgery does. It is a choice that we all have to make

individually. Any type of weight loss surgery is going to " screw up

your insides " with no guarantee of anything except that - altered

insides. I myself have made what I believe to be an informed

decision after reading EVERY post on this site for the last several

months as well as researching other sites and other physicians.

on

Surgery date 10/04/00

> Hi All, I do not see where 's actions show an imbalance at

all .I

> believe she is upset,VERY upset.And not because of any falling out

w/

> DrR.She says clearly in her website she is upset because she has

developed

> Barrett's Esophagus AND she is being informed by other physicians

that this

> is a long known side affect of Billroth II.She is also upset

because she had

> WEIGHTLOSS SURGERY,SCREWED UP HER GUTS AND IS NOT EVEN GETTING THE

> PERQUISITE OF LOSING WEIGHT.I would really like to have this

surgery,and

> have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems

people are

> having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this

group would

> rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's posts,she

tells it

> like it is. Janet

>

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,

I think it is unfair to say that Dr. R has been unresponsive to

- after all we only know her side. Also, at only four months

postop I personally would think it is too early to consider a

revision. Things could turn around and in six months or more she

could have a great weight loss - no one knows for sure. Also, once

again since we are only hearing one side (and I AM NOT SAYING THAT

SHE IS NOT BEING TRUTHFUL) a lot of what is going on with her weight

loss has to do with what she is eating, amount of exercise, etc. I

know that theoretically anyone with this type of surgery should lose

weight but I personally believe (I said this is my opinion) that my

weight loss will also dependent on what I eat and how much I eat as

well as whether or not I pick up my exercise. The surgery is a tool,

not a " magic pill " . As I stated earlier also, my father-in-law has

Barrett's esophagus and we were told by his physicians that it was

caused by YEARS of untreated bile reflux into his esophagus. This

man had chronic heartburn every day of his life, now with Prilosec

has no symptoms but the Barrett's is of course still there. I never

got any indication from the physicians or what I have read that

someone could develop Barrett's in such a short period of time. I

don't believe anyone should be saying LT is unbalanced yet I

reiterate that we are only hearing one side!

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Surgery date 10/04/00

-- In MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com, " ~~ " <lsnow@g...> wrote:

> I agree Janet. I don't think is unbalanced. I think she's

truthful and

> upset and hurt that a physician that she thought cared about her

well being

> would do this. Face it folks, if he cared he would be doing

everything in

> his power to help. What if it turns out to be you? Think about it,

if

> something goes wrong, do you want to be called unbalanced or a liar

or

> anything else or do you want support from your " support group " and

medical

> attention from your surgeon? Think long and hard because it could

be you. I

> am in no way saying her problems are his fault. I can't say that

for certain

> but I am saying " something " went wrong...don't label

her " unbalanced "

> because she has no control over what happened because of the

surgery.

>

> Until , you couldn't get someone to say on the list that they

have had

> problems but by private emails, you find out all kinds of

things~~~~~~~food

> for thought!!

>

>

>

>

> > have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems

people are

> > having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this

group

> would

> > rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's

posts,she tells

> it

> > like it is. Janet

[Guest guest]

I know I'm generally considered the " devil " in this group but I must confess

that I find it fascinating that , (who absolutely crucified me

on this list for daring to question Dr. Rutledge) is now being considered by

some to be " unbalanced. " Given what she did for so many of you and what she

gave to this list, even I (who was a victim of her strength of feelings)

must confess I am appalled at how quickly many of you would turn on her.

Why is it so hard for some folks to understand that there are very real

and unproven risks KNOWN to be associated with this type of surgery that do

not occur with any of the others? Although I was gone for last week's

brouhaha, it seems now from her page that she has come to first-hand

understand these problems other surgeons have feared....guess what folks?

She's not alone.

Walter Lindstrom, Esquire

Obesity Law & Advocacy Center

www.obesitylaw.com

2939 Alta View Drive - Suite O-360

San Diego, CA 92139

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Re: Re: unbalanced?

> I agree Janet. I don't think is unbalanced. I think she's truthful

and

> upset and hurt that a physician that she thought cared about her well

being

> would do this. Face it folks, if he cared he would be doing everything in

> his power to help. What if it turns out to be you? Think about it, if

> something goes wrong, do you want to be called unbalanced or a liar or

> anything else or do you want support from your " support group " and medical

> attention from your surgeon? Think long and hard because it could be you.

I

> am in no way saying her problems are his fault. I can't say that for

certain

> but I am saying " something " went wrong...don't label her " unbalanced "

> because she has no control over what happened because of the surgery.

>

> Until , you couldn't get someone to say on the list that they have

had

> problems but by private emails, you find out all kinds of

things~~~~~~~food

> for thought!!

>

>

>

>

> > have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems people

are

> > having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this group

> would

> > rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's posts,she tells

> it

> > like it is. Janet

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't implying that you called her " unbalanced " - sorry if you got

that impression. I know that someone did and I think it is unfair.

We all have to agree we have not heard the whole story. I am in no

way saying that is not being truthful.

on

Surgery date 10/04/00

> Hi .

> Your right in we are only hearing one side of it. Dr R could

address this

> issue without breaking patient confidentiality if he so chose to

but he

> hasn't. Some pre ops are scared to death because of whats happening

to

> , I know because I've gotten their letters asking my opinion..

I think

> if he was making an attempt to help her she would say that. She

advocated

> the MGB for so long. I don't believe she would be unfair about

this. What

> reason would she have to do so? As for exercise and eating, I am

not there

> with her so I can't say what she is and is not doing but I can say

she a

> smart lady and if I had to guess, I'd guess she followed post op

> instructions and diet/exercise to a T. If he made even the

smallest attempt

> to help, I think she would admit it. I am not saying he hasn't

tried to help

> or even acknowledged her post op problems. But what about the pre

ops. When

> they see the post it becomes a fear for them (what if this happens

to me?)

> The very least he could do is acknowledge it to the group.

>

> Actually someone did call her unbalanced. I don't remember who it

was but I

> can back and search the posts to find it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree Janet. I don't think is unbalanced. I think she's truthful and

upset and hurt that a physician that she thought cared about her well being

would do this. Face it folks, if he cared he would be doing everything in

his power to help. What if it turns out to be you? Think about it, if

something goes wrong, do you want to be called unbalanced or a liar or

anything else or do you want support from your " support group " and medical

attention from your surgeon? Think long and hard because it could be you. I

am in no way saying her problems are his fault. I can't say that for certain

but I am saying " something " went wrong...don't label her " unbalanced "

because she has no control over what happened because of the surgery.

Until , you couldn't get someone to say on the list that they have had

problems but by private emails, you find out all kinds of things~~~~~~~food

for thought!!

> have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems people are

> having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this group

would

> rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's posts,she tells

it

> like it is. Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi .

Your right in we are only hearing one side of it. Dr R could address this

issue without breaking patient confidentiality if he so chose to but he

hasn't. Some pre ops are scared to death because of whats happening to

, I know because I've gotten their letters asking my opinion.. I think

if he was making an attempt to help her she would say that. She advocated

the MGB for so long. I don't believe she would be unfair about this. What

reason would she have to do so? As for exercise and eating, I am not there

with her so I can't say what she is and is not doing but I can say she a

smart lady and if I had to guess, I'd guess she followed post op

instructions and diet/exercise to a T. If he made even the smallest attempt

to help, I think she would admit it. I am not saying he hasn't tried to help

or even acknowledged her post op problems. But what about the pre ops. When

they see the post it becomes a fear for them (what if this happens to me?)

The very least he could do is acknowledge it to the group.

Actually someone did call her unbalanced. I don't remember who it was but I

can back and search the posts to find it.

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not " defending " Dr. R. I'm just giving you the facts as we heard

them at clinic this week and after I outright asked about 's

medical issues in my one-on-one with Dr. R.And I have to say that

those of us who were in clinic this week felt totally different about

the situation after talking with him about it. First, he was

extremely sympathetic about her upsetness even though one of the

husbands in clinic just outright said he thought she was unbalanced.

Dr. R challenged that. And when someone mentioned that it was her

fault for not exercising he said " That is not true " . When I asked

about her one-on-one he said that to be honest, she may need a

revision but that he wanted her to wait just a little longer to heal

and she did NOT want to hear that. He also said the issues are not as

simple as they sound. She apparently had medical complications BEFORE

the surgery that are causing some of her problems now. I just wanted

to let everyone know what his responses were. I was laughing during

clinic because several of my pre-ops friends had been concerned that

the question wouldn't come up. It appears we're a pretty open-

mouthed group because it came up within about 10 seconds!!!

in Atlanta

-- In MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com, " ~~ " <lsnow@g...> wrote:

> I agree Janet. I don't think is unbalanced. I think she's

truthful and

> upset and hurt that a physician that she thought cared about her

well being

> would do this. Face it folks, if he cared he would be doing

everything in

> his power to help. What if it turns out to be you? Think about it,

if

> something goes wrong, do you want to be called unbalanced or a liar

or

> anything else or do you want support from your " support group " and

medical

> attention from your surgeon? Think long and hard because it could

be you. I

> am in no way saying her problems are his fault. I can't say that

for certain

> but I am saying " something " went wrong...don't label her

" unbalanced "

> because she has no control over what happened because of the

surgery.

>

> Until , you couldn't get someone to say on the list that they

have had

> problems but by private emails, you find out all kinds of

things~~~~~~~food

> for thought!!

>

>

>

>

> > have tried for months to get a discussion going of any problems

people are

> > having,so I can make an INFORMED decision.But it seems like this

group

> would

> > rather be 'pep rally-like' in nature.I for one miss LT's

posts,she tells

> it

> > like it is. Janet

[Guest guest]

Dear Janet,

I couldn't agree with you more. I think people (and naturally so) want to

believe that this will work for them, so they have to find fault elsewhere.

And it does work for the majority of people. However, if like me it doesn't,

then it is a really devastating loss.

I had surgery 8/10/00 and at 5 weeks had lost only 16 lbs - and was not a

" light weight. (334 at surgery). I have been afraid to to weight again. I

can tell that I have lost a little more - but it is very slow. Alot of

people are asking whether I am exercising and what I am eating - as if I am

to blame. Thankfully, my blood sugar readings have made a dramatic

improvement, however.

Good luck to you. Sherry in NC

[Guest guest]

She

Re: Re: unbalanced?

> Dear Janet,

>

> I couldn't agree with you more. I think people (and naturally so) want to

> believe that this will work for them, so they have to find fault

elsewhere.

> And it does work for the majority of people. However, if like me it

doesn't,

> then it is a really devastating loss.

>

> I had surgery 8/10/00 and at 5 weeks had lost only 16 lbs - and was not a

> " light weight. (334 at surgery). I have been afraid to to weight again.

I

> can tell that I have lost a little more - but it is very slow. Alot of

> people are asking whether I am exercising and what I am eating - as if I

am

> to blame. Thankfully, my blood sugar readings have made a dramatic

> improvement, however.

>

> Good luck to you. Sherry in NC

>

>

>