Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e-mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275@...Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Hi Kathy,from what I understood there has been no change since July 14. We got the band on July 9, he was seen again after a week , then after 2 and then after 3 wks which was on Aug 20. The first couple times we went I didn't expect any change of course but now after 3 wks I was hoping but she said it was the same. She's been taking hand measurements though. From what you write they took scans of . Of course that would be more accurate anyway. Hopefully you're right and there was growth but not enough for her to see yet.I need to start taking pictures myself. So many times I think he's better but it's wishful thinking on my part and a lot has to do with the mood I'm in. Thank you and Good Luck with the scan on Monday. , Tampa, FL , 19 mo ( 16 adj) starband since 14 July Plagiocephaly From: kathylorajensen@...Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:45:22 -0700Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Hi ,Has there been no growth, no change since July 14? Or is it just within the past 3 weeks? Maybe, the head grew, but so slowly that it was within measurement error, so the ortho doesn't see it yet.Our baby also showed no growth between the past two scans. Actually, the head shrunk on the scans slightly in such a way that the asymmetry measurement went down .6mm. Our chiro also sees improvement. (We think we do also.) I think the improvement for us is more in the alignment than size. We have our next scan Mon and I'm scared the scan will show no growth again.Kathy, mom to 14.5 months, Starband since 12 months for plagio Lulei wrote: I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e-mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Kathy and , Did you pay attention to all of the numbers on the STARscan reports? Sometimes there's other improvement and rouding out that doesn't go towards circumferance or those two-dimensional measurements. Or, sometimes it's just measurement error. I'm with you on the dissappointment. wore her STARband for 6 months and her CI only decreased the first 9 weeks. I had to keep reminding myself that there was other rounding out and improvement that I could see. Kathy, had a relatively big growth spurt from 14.5 to 16.5 months. She grew nearly a cm during that period. So, maybe that's ahead of you. She only grew about 4.5 mm between 16.5 and 20.5 months. Of course, every mm counts and helps. Don't give up yet - you've still got time left for change and that growth spurt may still be on the way. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Hi , Thanks. ly, I don't understand all the numbers. I think you, or some else, posted that it is good for the RSI to drop. What exactly does the RSI measure? What are considered normal values? Are there other values to pay attention to with plagio concentrated in the back right? (We have no remaining visual facial asymmetry, since there was hardly any to begin with.) After the last scan, I'm extremely nervous about the upcoming one.  Our scans are a month apart, so I feel each one is more important. After analyzing everything, it makes the most sense that the 2nd of our 3 scans had significant measurement error, and there really was a tiny bit of growth. Hopefully, you are right and we see more growth. Kathy, mom to , 14.5 months, Starband for plagio since 12 months wrote:  Kathy and ,  Did you pay attention to all of the numbers on the STARscan reports? Sometimes there's other improvement and rouding out that doesn't go towards circumferance or those two-dimensional measurements. Or, sometimes it's just measurement error.  I'm with you on the dissappointment. wore her STARband for 6 months and her CI only decreased the first 9 weeks. I had to keep reminding myself that there was other rounding out and improvement that I could see.  Kathy, had a relatively big growth spurt from 14.5 to 16.5 months. She grew nearly a cm during that period.  So, maybe that's ahead of you. She only grew about 4.5 mm between 16.5 and 20.5 months. Of course, every mm counts and helps.  Don't give up yet - you've still got time left for change and that growth spurt may still be on the way.    Re: Sleepless nights....  I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Hi , I'm the same way. Some days 's head looks better than others to me depending on my mood. Is there someone you can ask who doesn't see 's head every day? My mother-in-law visits some weekends, and I always ask her opinion. My mother-in-law, nanny, husband, and the chiropractor all say my son's head looks better. I think it does too. Then the 3rd scan showed no growth in 5 weeks. So, after that I felt more doubtful. Best, Kathy, mom to , Starband for plagio Lulei wrote: Hi Kathy, from what I understood there has been no change since July 14. We got the band on July 9, he was seen again after a week , then after 2 and then after 3 wks which was on Aug 20. The first couple times we went I didn't expect any change of course but now after 3 wks I was hoping but she said it was the same. She's been taking hand measurements though. From what you write they took scans of . Of course that would be more accurate anyway. Hopefully you're right and there was growth but not enough for her to see yet. I need to start taking pictures myself. So many times I think he's better but it's wishful thinking on my part and a lot has to do with the mood I'm in. Thank you and Good Luck with the scan on Monday. , Tampa, FL , 19 mo ( 16 adj) starband since 14 July Plagiocephaly From: kathylorajensengmail Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:45:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Hi , Has there been no growth, no change since July 14? Or is it just within the past 3 weeks? Maybe, the head grew, but so slowly that it was within measurement error, so the ortho doesn't see it yet. Our baby also showed no growth between the past two scans. Actually, the head shrunk on the scans slightly in such a way that the asymmetry measurement went down .6mm. Our chiro also sees improvement. (We think we do also.) I think the improvement for us is more in the alignment than size. We have our next scan Mon and I'm scared the scan will show no growth again. Kathy, mom to 14.5 months, Starband since 12 months for plagio Lulei wrote: I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e-mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Hi , thank you so much for taking the time. The ortho didn't really share the numbers with me I guess because they're the same. She's been taking only hand measurments so far though, no scan after the pre-treatment one. Is it the norm to repeat scans once a month like they're doing for , if I understood correctly? Who knows maybe she'll do one next time, he's been wearing it only for about 6 wks. As far as the disappointment I know it was kind of far fetched to hope for change already. I can be patient and there's not much else I can do anyway. It's just that reading the posts about people seeing major improvement quickly, because starting at the right time, puts me in an irrationally hopeful mood for us too. To me he's still a baby, time went by so fast. Thank you again. , Tampa, FL , 19 months(16 adj), starband since 18 mo, mild plagio Plagiocephaly From: melanie.watson@...Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:20:15 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Kathy and , Did you pay attention to all of the numbers on the STARscan reports? Sometimes there's other improvement and rouding out that doesn't go towards circumferance or those two-dimensional measurements. Or, sometimes it's just measurement error. I'm with you on the dissappointment. wore her STARband for 6 months and her CI only decreased the first 9 weeks. I had to keep reminding myself that there was other rounding out and improvement that I could see. Kathy, had a relatively big growth spurt from 14.5 to 16.5 months. She grew nearly a cm during that period. So, maybe that's ahead of you. She only grew about 4.5 mm between 16.5 and 20.5 months. Of course, every mm counts and helps. Don't give up yet - you've still got time left for change and that growth spurt may still be on the way. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Some time ago, on another list, I asked the same questions. Someone sent me an attachment that explained what all of the STARscan numbers meant. Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate parts of it, but I have the paper that tells what severity the numbers are. I know that RSI is Radial Symmetry Index. I don't exactly know what that is. I can tell you the ideal numbers: Posterior symmetry Ratio should be between .9088 and 1.0 Posterior means the back of the head and this is related to the symmetry of the volume of the two sides of the back. Overall symmetry Ratio should be between .9274 and 1.0 This is related to the symmetry of the volumes of the two sides of the head Radial Symmetry Index should be between 0 and 30.8048 - not sure what this one measures Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index should between between 0 and 3.4199 This is similar to the standard symmetry measurements that we report, but it takes into account the overall size of the head Those are all considered to be within the "normal" range. I hope this helps. , mom to , 2 years old today Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 , You are correct in that there may very well be too little change to determine with hand measurements. A scan would be more likely to pick up a mm or two. And at this age, your changes are most likely to be in those small incriments. It may take a little longer for the changes to be measureable using hand tools. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 , how does the ortho see if she needs to shave anything off in the helmet? From the measurments/ scan that show growth or/and red marks that don't go away? My point is: if there is growth, a mm or two like you say for example but no red marks then there's no need to shave? And do you know what the norm is on how often to do a scan during a treatment? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl, 19 mo (16 adj) starband since 18 mo, mild plagio Plagiocephaly From: melanie.watson@...Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:40:14 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos , You are correct in that there may very well be too little change to determine with hand measurements. A scan would be more likely to pick up a mm or two. And at this age, your changes are most likely to be in those small incriments. It may take a little longer for the changes to be measureable using hand tools. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Here is an explanation of the STARscanner figures: STARscanner Report with explanation of results (Level 3 measurements) Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth / Cranial Length. An ideal ratio would be 0.78 or 78%. Brachycephaly Severity - normal - 73-83%; moderate - 83.1% to 87.9%; severe - 88% and higher. Scaphocephaly Severity - normal - 73-83%; moderate - 68.1% to 72.9%; severe - 68% and below. · Radial Symmetry Index (RSI) = from the front of the head, 15° segments are measured and added. The addition of the right side segments is subtracted to the addition of the left side segments. An ideal ratio would be left side – right side = 0 (<30 mm normal) · Oblique Cranial Maximum and Minimum = Ideally one is looking to have the maximum line vertical and the minimum line horizontal. · Oblique at 30 deg (US1 and US2) = Length of diagonal taken at 30° on each side (30° corresponds to the corner of the eye). The subtraction of US1 and US2 gives an indication of the asymmetry of the head. An asymmetry between 0-3 mm is normal; <6 mm is very mild; 6-10 mm is mild; 10-15 mm is moderate; 15+ mm is severe · Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 volumes: Draws vertical and horizontal lines centered on middle point of head. Measures volume of each corner starting front left, then front right, back right and back left. · Anterior Symmetry Ratio: looks at front of head and divides front left volume with front right volume. An ideal ratio would be 1 · Posterior Symmetry Ratio: looks at back of head and divides back right volume with back left volume. An ideal ration would be 1 · Overall Symmetry Ratio: Divides left side with right side. An ideal ratio would be 1 · Upper facial left and upper facial right: Measures the length between the centre of the front to each left and right ear. This corresponds to a cranial bone and determines the position of the ear. · Upper Facial Symmetry Ratio: Divides Upper Facial Right with Upper Facial Left. An ideal ratio would be 1 · Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index (CVAI): the percentage difference in plagio, (100%-(US1/US2)). 0-3 mm normal · Ear Offset - this number seems to be very subjective because the ortho places stickers near the ears that the machine picks up to take this measurement. If they are placed differently each time the number will come out differently Molly Novato, California Nicolas, 3.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06, Graduate! , 6.5 , 9.5 From: Plagiocephaly [mailto:Plagiocephaly ] On Behalf Of Sent: 24 August 2009 7:28 PM Plagiocephaly Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Some time ago, on another list, I asked the same questions. Someone sent me an attachment that explained what all of the STARscan numbers meant. Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate parts of it, but I have the paper that tells what severity the numbers are. I know that RSI is Radial Symmetry Index. I don't exactly know what that is. I can tell you the ideal numbers: Posterior symmetry Ratio should be between .9088 and 1.0 Posterior means the back of the head and this is related to the symmetry of the volume of the two sides of the back. Overall symmetry Ratio should be between .9274 and 1.0 This is related to the symmetry of the volumes of the two sides of the head Radial Symmetry Index should be between 0 and 30.8048 - not sure what this one measures Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index should between between 0 and 3.4199 This is similar to the standard symmetry measurements that we report, but it takes into account the overall size of the head Those are all considered to be within the " normal " range. I hope this helps. , mom to , 2 years old today Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Thanks Molly and ! I'm surprised that 83.1% to 87.9% is considered moderate brachycephaly and above 88% severe. I never thought of my son as having moderate brachycephaly. It is the plagio that really concerns me and that is only in the mild category. Do others feel that mid 80's for the CR measurement is anything to worry about? Still I plan to focus on improving the asymmetry. Thanks, Kathy, mom to , almost 15 months, Starband for plagio since 12 months Foley, Molly wrote:  Here is an explanation of the STARscanner figures:  STARscanner Report with explanation of results (Level 3 measurements) Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth / Cranial Length. An ideal ratio would be 0.78 or 78%. Brachycephaly Severity - normal - 73-83%; moderate - 83.1% to 87.9%; severe - 88% and higher. Scaphocephaly Severity - normal - 73-83%; moderate - 68.1% to 72.9%; severe - 68% and below. ·        Radial Symmetry Index (RSI) = from the front of the head, 15° segments are measured and added. The addition of the right side segments is subtracted to the addition of the left side segments. An ideal ratio would be left side – right side = 0 (<30 mm normal) ·        Oblique Cranial Maximum and Minimum = Ideally one is looking to have the maximum line vertical and the minimum line horizontal. ·        Oblique at 30 deg (US1 and US2) = Length of diagonal taken at 30° on each side (30° corresponds to the corner of the eye). The subtraction of US1 and US2 gives an indication of the asymmetry of the head. An asymmetry between 0-3 mm is normal; <6 mm is very mild; 6-10 mm is mild; 10-15 mm is moderate; 15+ mm is severe ·        Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 volumes: Draws vertical and horizontal lines centered on middle point of head. Measures volume of each corner starting front left, then front right, back right and back left. ·        Anterior Symmetry Ratio: looks at front of head and divides front left volume with front right volume. An ideal ratio would be 1 ·        Posterior Symmetry Ratio: looks at back of head and divides back right volume with back left volume. An ideal ration would be 1 ·        Overall Symmetry Ratio: Divides left side with right side. An ideal ratio would be 1 ·        Upper facial left and upper facial right: Measures the length between the centre of the front to each left and right ear. This corresponds to a cranial bone and determines the position of the ear. ·        Upper Facial Symmetry Ratio: Divides Upper Facial Right with Upper Facial Left. An ideal ratio would be 1 ·        Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index (CVAI): the percentage difference in plagio, (100%-(US1/US2)). 0-3 mm normal ·        Ear Offset - this number seems to be very subjective because the ortho places stickers near the ears that the machine picks up to take this measurement. If they are placed differently each time the number will come out differently  Molly Novato, California Nicolas, 3.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06, Graduate! , 6.5 , 9.5    From: Plagiocephaly [mailto:Plagiocephaly ] On Behalf Of Sent: 24 August 2009 7:28 PM Plagiocephaly Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos  Some time ago, on another list, I asked the same questions. Someone sent me an attachment that explained what all of the STARscan numbers meant. Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate parts of it, but I have the paper that tells what severity the numbers are.  I know that RSI is Radial Symmetry Index. I don't exactly know what that is. I can tell you the ideal numbers:  Posterior symmetry Ratio should be between .9088 and 1.0  Posterior means the back of the head and this is related to the symmetry of the volume of the two sides of the back.  Overall symmetry Ratio should be between .9274 and 1.0  This is related to the symmetry of the volumes of the two sides of the head  Radial Symmetry Index should be between 0 and 30.8048 - not sure what this one measures  Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index should between between 0 and 3.4199  This is similar to the standard symmetry measurements that we report, but it takes into account the overall size of the head  Those are all considered to be within the "normal" range. I hope this helps.  , mom to , 2 years old today   Re: Sleepless nights....  I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > >   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I was told at some point in time from a Starband ortho that 79.2 was the mean and the standard deviation was 6 from the mean in both directions, and that the following are the cutoffs for Brachy. Starband ortho: 79.2 - 85.2 = normal (within 1 Std Dev of the mean) 85.2 - 91.2 = mild (within 2 Std Dev) 91.2 - 97.2 = moderate (within 3 Std Dev) 97.2+ = severe (over 3 Std Dev) Here is what I've ascertained related to DOC band measurement info for Brachy: 78.9 - 83.3 = within 1 Std Dev 83.3 - 87.7 = within 2 Std Dev 87.7 - 92.1 = within 3 Std Dev 92.1+ = over 3 Std Dev Definitely differences from ortho to ortho on this (and, therefore, from people to people on this board)...... , Sr. , Jr. - 23.5 months corrected, DOC band since 6/03/09. I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e- mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july PlagiocephalyFrom: nwilkens2275Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hi , Thanks. That makes sense. According to this Starband ortho, my son is in the low end of mild. BTW, have you seen any improvement? We are hoping to continue with the helmet for a long while, so we are interested in any improvement seen by older babies. Thanks again, Kathy, mom to , 15 months Mathison wrote:  I was told at some point in time from a Starband ortho that 79.2 was the mean and the standard deviation was 6 from the mean in both directions, and that the following are the cutoffs for Brachy.  Starband ortho: 79.2 - 85.2 = normal (within 1 Std Dev of the mean) 85.2 - 91.2 = mild (within 2 Std Dev) 91.2 - 97.2 = moderate (within 3 Std Dev) 97.2+ = severe (over 3 Std Dev)  Here is what I've ascertained related to DOC band measurement info for Brachy: 78.9 - 83.3 = within 1 Std Dev 83.3 - 87.7 = within 2 Std Dev 87.7 - 92.1 = within 3 Std Dev 92.1+ = over 3 Std Dev  Definitely differences from ortho to ortho on this (and, therefore, from people to people on this board)......  , Sr. , Jr. - 23.5 months corrected, DOC band since 6/03/09.  I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments  so far and activator.  The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e- mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album.  Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you!  , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july   To: Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Sleepless nights....  I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > >   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Kathy,With the DOC band, at least in our situation, we only get measurements at the beginning and end (not sure if younger DOC children get them more often). At this point, Jr. has been in it about 2.5 months and we'll be having final measurements in about a month (although he'll keep the band on a few weeks after that - we moved up the measurements so that we could avoid one more long trip). I've been taking pictures along the way (usually about every month), and my best guess is he's improved about 1% on the cephalic ratio and perhaps 1 mm or maybe even 2 mm on his assymetry (likely closer to 1 mm). I would guess his cephalic ratio is now 88.5% to 89% (from 90%) and his assymetry difference is about 6 or 7 mm (from 7 to 8 mm). Of course, this is just on my measurements from the pictures I've taken - although visual evidence seem to confirm these slight improvements. Hopefully the CT measurements confirm (or are even better than) mine.Not much, but we'll definitely take it considering his age! , Sr., Jr. - 23.5 months corrected, DOC band since 6/03/09. I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e- mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july To: Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hi , Please let us know the final results. That is great if you get improvement at that age. Our scan has shown about what you estimate (1% on CR and 1.7mm in asymmetry).  We also started the band the first week in June. We will be in a helmet as long as possible. How often are your appointments for a DOC band at that age? Kathy, mom to , almost 15 months Mathison wrote:  Kathy, With the DOC band, at least in our situation, we only get measurements at the beginning and end (not sure if younger DOC children get them more often).  At this point, Jr. has been in it about 2.5 months and we'll be having final measurements in about a month (although he'll keep the band on a few weeks after that - we moved up the measurements so that we could avoid one more long trip).  I've been taking pictures along the way (usually about every month), and my best guess is he's improved about 1% on the cephalic ratio and perhaps 1 mm or maybe even 2 mm on his assymetry (likely closer to 1 mm).  I would guess his cephalic ratio is now  88.5% to 89% (from 90%) and his assymetry difference is about 6 or 7 mm (from 7  to  8 mm).  Of course, this is just on my measurements from the pictures I've taken - although visual evidence seem to confirm these slight improvements.  Hopefully the CT measurements confirm (or are even better than)  mine. Not much, but we'll definitely take it considering his age!  , Sr. , Jr. - 23.5 months corrected, DOC band since 6/03/09.  I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments  so far and activator.  The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e- mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album.  Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you!  , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july   To: Plagiocephaly From: nwilkens2275 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Sleepless nights....  I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > >   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Kathy, We've been going every 3 or 4 weeks (usually 3). We'll definitely post the final measurement results at the end of September. We wish you and your son good luck and continued positive results with the helmet in the coming months! , Sr. , Jr. - 23.5 months corrected, DOC band since 6/03/09. I thought about the memory foam too to make it more comfortable because he doesn't want any pillows but wasn't sure if the stuff it's made of maybe not that great for babies. I have a memory foam pillow and it had a pretty strong smell for a long time. Does anybody know if it's ok to use with kids as far as the material it's made of? And a brief update: has been wearing the starband full time since 14 July. We just went yesterday to the ortho (she sees him every 3 wks) and to my disappointment no growth, no change. I know he's older and that's just the way it is but still I was hoping of course. I found a chiropractor so he's had 3 CRT treatments so far and activator. The chiro thought there was some improvement when she saw him last time but as I said yesterday the ortho said no change. I still have to find someone for CST. I got his photostudy today so here it is. Hope it's all right I just attached to this e- mail. As soon as I figure out how to do it I will post it in the Older plagio babies album. Can you guys look at it and give me your opinion? Thank you! , Tampa, Fl , 19 mo ( 16 mo adj), starband since 14 july PlagiocephalyFrom: nwilkens2275Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:53:04 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hi , Our Ortho did scans every third visit. She didn't do hand measurements at all. So, because we didn't go often, we didn't get our first treatment scan until 9 weeks. I think that all of the orthos do the scanning frequency differently. Although hated to be scanned, I always looked forward to knowing what my numbers were. We did the next scan 8 weeks later because she had hit 18 months and they were considering taking her out of the band. I did some fast talking and got them to leave her in longer. So, we then did the last scan 8 weeks after that (when they took her out). Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 My ortho told me that in the bands for brachy, they often don't need to shave anything off until the baby has grown more than a cm or two. This is because the STARband is made with lots of extra room in the back. So, other than shaving to address red marks, we didn't have any shaving off at all. I'm sure that this is probably different for other head shapes - I don't know. Once the baby hits this kind of growth, I'm not sure how they determine when or how much to shave. We never had to deal with this. I've heard of some using lipstick, but I'm not sure. I think that the orthos all use the scanner differently. So, I can't really answer your question there. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Kathy, You have to remember that those numbers are based upon a study completed in the 1970s. There are also some orthos who don't use those standards. My ortho told me that anything under 91 percent was normal. I'm not sure what she bases her numbers on because I never asked her. I personally believe that the old standard for measuring the severity of brachy is outdated due to the back to sleep issue. Also, the standard are based upon standard deviations and those numbers are different for boys than girls. The boys have a larger standard deviation so higher numbers are more acceptable for them. Anyway, I now believe that the standard of how severe the brachy is should also depend upon how the head looks otherwise. Other things to consider are how it looks from various angles, the severithy of the flatness, the degree of posterior head height, etc. For example, has been measured between 86 and 92 (by different methods). I generaly have accepted her recent hand measurement of 91.3 and consider her brachy to be mild because that's how it looks to me. No one else can actually see it. These days, some don't even really see it when I try to point it out to them. Only the experts notice it. So, I consider her 91 to be mild. Also, given that the standard to band is for moderate to severe deformations and most orthos don't want to band for anything less than 90, I consider anything below 90 to be mild. Lastly, the norms were based upon hand measurements and it seems to me that most people's hand measurements are coming out lower than the STARscan's measurements. Having said that, I know that there are others who might disagree with me, but until they redo the norms, that's what my position is going to be. If you don't see your son's brachy as moderate, then it probably isn't. Ask the ortho's opinion. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 , This is consistent with my experience having been measured at both places, with the exception of my ortho saying that anything within 2 standard deviations is normal. She may have just meant that it was not worth banding for. CT told me that my daughter's 86 was 1.6 standard deviations. This also confirms my belief that 's brachy is currently mild. I'm wondering if both places have updated norms that they are using. Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut? ??? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hi , A mom told me that in the Chinese culture, a flat head in back is desirable. They think it looks better on girls when they wear ponytails. Another Chinese mom told me that it can be good to have the flat head in back. I have noticed that some cultures in our area take head shape more seriously than others. Another thing is before I knew about brachy (only a few months ago), I thought the wide heads looked cute. When I found out about plagio and started examining heads, I thought this toddler in one of 's classes had an adorable head. Her nanny told me her head was completely flat in back at 1 year. I looked very closely, and could see it is still flat under her hair. Another thing is I had no idea my older son still had very mild plagio even after was diagnosed. It took about a month to realize that is head is more asymmetrical than average. He had a flat spot at 6 months. We thought it had resolved, but it was just his thick hair hiding it. I thought his head looked normal and this is why we didn't take the baby's head shape seriously until almost a year.  (Also, the baby's hair stuck out all over until about 9 months, so this may be why nobody realized how bad the plagio had gotten.) I do think mild asymmetry looks worse than mild brachy. It is the asymmetry that really bothers me with . His measurements are mild, but even that is fairly noticeable. Looking at my sons' heads in the bath, there must only be 1-2 mm difference in asymmetry, yet the older one's head looks much better out of the bath.  I'm hoping this means that if we keep up the helmet therapy and get even minimal improvement, it will go a long way visually. Kathy, mom to almost 15 months, Starband 2.5 months wrote:  Kathy,  You have to remember that those numbers are based upon a study completed in the 1970s. There are also some orthos who don't use those standards. My ortho told me that anything under 91 percent was normal. I'm not sure what she bases her numbers on because I never asked her. I personally believe that the old standard for measuring the severity of brachy is outdated due to the back to sleep issue. Also, the standard are based upon standard deviations and those numbers are different for boys than girls. The boys have a larger standard deviation so higher numbers are more acceptable for them.  Anyway, I now believe that the standard of how severe the brachy is should also depend upon how the head looks otherwise. Other things to consider are how it looks from various angles, the severithy of the flatness, the degree of posterior head height, etc. For example, has been measured between 86 and 92 (by different methods). I generaly have accepted her recent hand measurement of 91.3 and consider her brachy to be mild because that's how it looks to me. No one else can actually see it. These days, some don't even really see it when I try to point it out to them. Only the experts notice it. So, I consider her 91 to be mild. Also, given that the standard to band is for moderate to severe deformations and most orthos don't want to band for anything less than 90, I consider anything below 90 to be mild.  Lastly, the norms were based upon hand measurements and it seems to me that most people's hand measurements are coming out lower than the STARscan's measurements.  Having said that, I know that there are others who might disagree with me, but until they redo the norms, that's what my position is going to be. If you don't see your son's brachy as moderate, then it probably isn't. Ask the ortho's opinion.   Re: Sleepless nights....  I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was tw o months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > >   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hi , Thank you. I called the ortho yesterday and she said she usually does a scan every 8 wks but for him because of the age she would do one half way the treatment, I guess that would mean after 3 months. She thinks doing it more often would just be frustrating. As far as the red marks she said she likes not to get there by overcompensating as far as space in the band, not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, that's how I understood what she said. So if I got it right it's the measurmments that dictate if any shaving is necessary. By the way she too says on those standard measurments for brachy that the 78% is not realistic any more because of the back to sleep campaign. , Tampa, FL , 19 mo(16 adj) starband since 18 mo, mild plagio Plagiocephaly From: melanie.watson@...Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:15:00 +0000Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Hi , Our Ortho did scans every third visit. She didn't do hand measurements at all. So, because we didn't go often, we didn't get our first treatment scan until 9 weeks. I think that all of the orthos do the scanning frequency differently. Although hated to be scanned, I always looked forward to knowing what my numbers were. We did the next scan 8 weeks later because she had hit 18 months and they were considering taking her out of the band. I did some fast talking and got them to leave her in longer. So, we then did the last scan 8 weeks after that (when they took her out). Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck!Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)Jordan-5.5> > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday.> > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son> > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet> > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble> > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has> > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I> > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the> > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted> > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes> > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if> > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated.> > Has anyone else experienced this????> >> > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in> > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like.> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hi, I agree that doing the scans so often is frustrating! On the other hand, waiting 3 months would be hard too since more is riding on each scan. Our ortho told us to come back in 1.5 months and he does a scan every visit. (We're to come back sooner if there are red marks.) My husband talked with the ortho about the scan at level 5. I was worried it might almost be getting worse in the very back, but they decided there is more measurement error up high in the back. If we compare the contours over 3 months instead of one, we do see the improvement. Kathy, mom to 15 months, Starband almost 3 months, plagio Lulei wrote: Hi , Thank you. I called the ortho yesterday and she said she usually does a scan every 8 wks but for him because of the age she would do one half way the treatment, I guess that would mean after 3 months. She thinks doing it more often would just be frustrating. As far as the red marks she said she likes not to get there by overcompensating as far as space in the band, not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, that's how I understood what she said. So if I got it right it's the measurmments that dictate if any shaving is necessary. By the way she too says on those standard measurments for brachy that the 78% is not realistic any more because of the back to sleep campaign. , Tampa, FL , 19 mo(16 adj) starband since 18 mo, mild plagio Plagiocephaly From: melanie.watsoncomcast (DOT) net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:15:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Sleepless+ photos Hi , Our Ortho did scans every third visit. She didn't do hand measurements at all. So, because we didn't go often, we didn't get our first treatment scan until 9 weeks. I think that all of the orthos do the scanning frequency differently. Although hated to be scanned, I always looked forward to knowing what my numbers were. We did the next scan 8 weeks later because she had hit 18 months and they were considering taking her out of the band. I did some fast talking and got them to leave her in longer. So, we then did the last scan 8 weeks after that (when they took her out). Re: Sleepless nights.... I haven't read all the messages on this thread, but has anyone suggested memory foam? I never used it myself and definitely only use it if you feel comfortable, but I know a lot of moms have bought the twin size at Target or somewhere and then cut it down to fit the crib. You put it under the fitted sheet and it should help their heads nestle into the mattress and hopefully make it more comfortable. I think what the problem is, is that when they are laying on their back, the helmet is being pushed forward down on their forehead, and/or it's pushing their whole head forehead so that their chin is touching their chest, which they probably don't like. If the head is nestled into the mattress, their chin won't be so forward and it seems to help. Good luck! Jake-2.5 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) Jordan-5.5 > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My son is almost six months old and he got his Doc Band helmet this monday. > > It's been three nights and every single night he cries in his sleep. My son > > also has tort. and use to sleep facing to the left. Since we got the helmet > > Monday he sleeps facing the right. It almost seems like he is having trouble > > moving his head to the center or to the left with the helmet on. My son has > > been in PT since he was two months old. His tort. has improved greatly and I > > feel like the helmet is hurting him or pinching him. When I spoke to the > > clinicians at Cranial Tech. in CT they told me that he has to get adjusted > > to it. My husband is home during the day and he tells me that when he takes > > his naps he doesn't cry at all. I am a first time mom and I don't know if > > this is due to the helmet or maybe he is teething or something unrelated. > > Has anyone else experienced this???? > > > > Also I was wondering if anyone else went to Cranial Technologies in > > Connecticut???? If so, what was your experience like. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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