Re: problems 4 months in

October 5, 2006

Vonny,

If he got an illegal in the supplement, even for a short time, it could

certainly cause a flare up. He also may be at that point where it's just very

common to have another flare.... and/or more die-off.

Some people find they have to step clear back to doing a day or two of the intro

diet, and advancing slowly from there. It *could* be that you just went a

little too quickly with advancing to foods that were harder to digest, too....

but I'm more suspicious of the illegal cal-mag. That could cause symptoms that

hang on, even though you've changed the supplement back.

I also just don't know about the other supplement.... whether it can cause

problems or not, I don't know. Are you absolutely sure there are no illegals in

the methionine as well?

I know it's frustrating to have gone two steps forward and now have to take one

back.... but it will be okay. This is how it goes for many kids.... ups and

downs. You should be able to get him back on track in short order with just a

day or so of intro. Maybe on the weekend, if that's more convenient for you?

If you had gone on to raw veggies and fruits already... it may be that it was

too soon.... or that at least you will have to go back to cooked for a while

now. My daughter has been on SCD since May (this time around.... was on it for

18 months in 2003-04), and she STILL can't tolerate raw foods.

Also.... are you absolutely sure there is zero opportunities for him to be

getting illegals at school or something? I'm just asking b/c this time of year,

just after kids have gone back to school, it's pretty typical to get reports of

accidental ingestion of another kid's animal cracker or something like that.

That very thing happened with MY daughter last week.... I wanted to cry!!

hang in there,

Patti

problems 4 months in

Hi everyone

We are 4 months into SCD with myself (ADD and pain syndrome), my 3 yr

old daughter with a lot of stomach issues, and a few odd behavioural

issues, and my son 5, ASD. We started the diet after 3 months of

horrible diarrhea from my son and it was such a relief for this to

disappear, but now it seems to be returning, and I just don't know

why. Starting this was SOOO hard and stressful, and I just don't know

if I have the strength to start again, but I am also very determined

not to give in. He is eating pretty much all foods allowed on the

diet except legumes, and whole nuts. He is having goat milk yogurt,

as per protocol from this site. We started very slowly with the

initial diet for 5 days, and inroducing new foods slowly at first, but

he was doing so well we speed up a bit in month 2-3. Then at 3 months

diarrhea returned, and everything went very pale. I heard that this

can happen at 3 months, but it hasn't gone away. I tried taking out

raw fruit and veges, but this made it worse, so I put them back in.

WE also started a new supplement, methionine, at this time. I have

stopped this, but I do not know if this is related. His appitite is

really variable now as well, as it was before the diet. He never asks

for food anymore, but is drinking a lot of juice.

It has been so frustrating, as although his digestion seemed better

immediately I never saw any behavioural changes until very recently

when I changed his calcium/magnesium supplement. (the shop had

insisted the old one did not have anything illegal in it, but I was

suspicious and it turned out it did.)

Any advice would be extremely appreciated. I am really unsure what to

do at this point.

Vonny

October 5, 2006

Vonny,

You are correct that many people have a " set back " around the three month

mark, and it is due to more die off. My guess would be that when you

removed the raw fruit and vegies, it produced more die off. Three months is

much too soon to introduce raw fruits and vegies. In fact, I started giving

my son some raw fruits that were softer(peaches, strawberries, ect.) about

six to eight weeks into the diet because he was doing so well. He began

screaming in his sleep like he did often prior to scd. I thought it might

be some other foods, and finally figured out with the help of this list that

it was the raw stuff. It was simply too soon. I removed them, and the

sleep issues stopped. I would recommend that you return to the intro diet,

and start from scratch again. Remember that you must, must, must introduce

foods slowly even if it seems like your child is healing and doing really

well. Please don't give up. I know that it was a difficult thing to start,

but remember that you did see progress. Take a deep breath, and start

again. Just go slowly.

Meleah scd 05/06

iel 3.5yrs. asd, Ethan 5yrs., Mark 18mths., both nt

problems 4 months in

> Hi everyone

>

> We are 4 months into SCD with myself (ADD and pain syndrome), my 3 yr

> old daughter with a lot of stomach issues, and a few odd behavioural

> issues, and my son 5, ASD. We started the diet after 3 months of

> horrible diarrhea from my son and it was such a relief for this to

> disappear, but now it seems to be returning, and I just don't know

> why. Starting this was SOOO hard and stressful, and I just don't know

> if I have the strength to start again, but I am also very determined

> not to give in. He is eating pretty much all foods allowed on the

> diet except legumes, and whole nuts. He is having goat milk yogurt,

> as per protocol from this site. We started very slowly with the

> initial diet for 5 days, and inroducing new foods slowly at first, but

> he was doing so well we speed up a bit in month 2-3. Then at 3 months

> diarrhea returned, and everything went very pale. I heard that this

> can happen at 3 months, but it hasn't gone away. I tried taking out

> raw fruit and veges, but this made it worse, so I put them back in.

> WE also started a new supplement, methionine, at this time. I have

> stopped this, but I do not know if this is related. His appitite is

> really variable now as well, as it was before the diet. He never asks

> for food anymore, but is drinking a lot of juice.

>

> It has been so frustrating, as although his digestion seemed better

> immediately I never saw any behavioural changes until very recently

> when I changed his calcium/magnesium supplement. (the shop had

> insisted the old one did not have anything illegal in it, but I was

> suspicious and it turned out it did.)

>

> Any advice would be extremely appreciated. I am really unsure what to

> do at this point.

>

> Vonny

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

October 6, 2006

Vonny,

sounds like the three month flare. The three months may vary in people. For some

its 2 1/2 months for others it could be 4 months. Anyway, What has happened is

you have starved out the less virulent bugs and saw some great relief. Now the

ones that are stronger are coming to the forefront and are having a last hurrah!

Don't give in to them! They will eventually die. My best advice is to pull back

on what you are eating and perhaps do the intro again for a couple days or at

least trim some of the harder to digest foods from his diet for now.

Charlene

UC 8 years

SCD almost 6 years