New to the group!

[Guest guest]

Welcome. So glad you are seeing progress. Re: potty we have found 2

helpful things that I think others share as their help: Having him

sign potty when he has to go and the video " Potty Power. "

HTH

Liz

>

> Hi there. I am new to the group and to message boards all together

but

> love that ya'll are so informed and work together to find solutions

to

> things!! I have two boys, and Logan. Both are speech

delayed

> with totally different problems. just turned 4 in feb. and

> Logan just turned 2 in Nov. has been in intensive speech

> therapy for over a year and we have seen tremendous progress. As a

2

> year old we were worried he had autism and have only gotten a

diagnosis

> of moderate to severe expressive language delay. They " his doctors

and

> therapists " say he is not on the autistic spectrum related to his

> tremendous progress. My question is, does anyone have any advice on

> potty training boys with delays. We have been working for almost a

> year and jackson just doesn't get it. He was unable to attend a

church

> mother's day out because he was not able to express his need to use

the

> bathroom independently as a 3 year old. Here we are at 4 and he

still

> doesn't show any progress. We have tried all the tricks in the

book.

> Sticker chart, rewards, bribery, new big boy underwear, watching

daddy,

> running around naked, cleaning up accidents with underwear, kitchen

> timer every 20 min, etc. I am so desperate to find someway to get

the

> concept to click! It doesn't help that my 4 year old is 50 lbs!!!

try

> finding pull ups in that size! Any help??!! advice?? thanks so

much.

>

[Guest guest]

Cloth diapers and cloth underpants with vinyl exterior or the plastic

" over " pants Disposable diapers do not work. the kids need to feel

the " yuck " factor over and over and over again to get the cause/effect

relationships. At 50lbs you may need to look for adult cloth diapers

though.

For whatever reason after doing the listening program by

www.advancedbrain.com for 3 cycles my son decided he would use the

potty. He wasn't " solid " in his skills until about 4.5 though.

He was in cloth starting at about 3.5 yrs and his little brother at 18

mo as the 3.5 would bring me the baby diaper and say " me baby " I was

pg with my 4th at the time so didn't have a lot of patience for this

whole thing.

On the bright side, the baby trained at 2.5 yrs old day/night urine

without me even trying. The Bm's are just coming in line now at 3yrs

old. he has the diarrhea down but the solid ones are still a bit of a

challenge.

The new baby has been in cloth since about 6 months.

Pull ups are a complete waste of money. IMO

> >

> > Hi there. I am new to the group and to message boards all together

> but

> > love that ya'll are so informed and work together to find solutions

> to

> > things!! I have two boys, and Logan. Both are speech

> delayed

> > with totally different problems. just turned 4 in feb. and

> > Logan just turned 2 in Nov. has been in intensive speech

> > therapy for over a year and we have seen tremendous progress. As a

> 2

> > year old we were worried he had autism and have only gotten a

> diagnosis

> > of moderate to severe expressive language delay. They " his doctors

> and

> > therapists " say he is not on the autistic spectrum related to his

> > tremendous progress. My question is, does anyone have any advice on

> > potty training boys with delays. We have been working for almost a

> > year and jackson just doesn't get it. He was unable to attend a

> church

> > mother's day out because he was not able to express his need to use

> the

> > bathroom independently as a 3 year old. Here we are at 4 and he

> still

> > doesn't show any progress. We have tried all the tricks in the

> book.

> > Sticker chart, rewards, bribery, new big boy underwear, watching

> daddy,

> > running around naked, cleaning up accidents with underwear, kitchen

> > timer every 20 min, etc. I am so desperate to find someway to get

> the

> > concept to click! It doesn't help that my 4 year old is 50 lbs!!!

> try

> > finding pull ups in that size! Any help??!! advice?? thanks so

> much.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara!

Not sure how good it is -but leave it to Sesame Street to come up

with a " Potty Elmo " !

http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/Potty-Elmo-z.html Here's a

website for Elmo's Potty Time:

http://www.sesameworkshop.org/sesamestreet/games/pottytime/flash.php?contentId=1\

6805504

Below are some archives on potty training -as many archives as there

are below -still many more in the archives!

Re: New to this group./potty training archive

Late potty training -4 is the norm for our group (and getting more

norm for most all children in the US due to pull ups etc.)

" , Business Manager of Baby Fresh USA, maker of diaper

wipes, was quoted in The Wall Street Journal saying " The products

(wipes) are also benefiting from the fact that children now wear

diapers until they are 36 to 42 months old, some six months longer

than when Baby Fresh was introduced 16 years ago (1977). "

The Wall Street Journal, May 4, 1993

For our children reasons could be -lack of muscle strength for

control (mild hypotonia), on command motor planning problem

(apraxia), or just too much on the plate to deal with this too.

Here's an archive on this topic:

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Tue May 17, 2005 10:02 pm

Subject: Re: potty training kiddietalk

Whomever first posted that they have some new (and improved?) potty

training tips that worked, Jan? Please just post it here so all

can see. Late to potty train is pretty par for the course in this

group ...actually for many kids today in general for some reason.

For those that want archived info -here's one

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:20 pm

Subject: Re: Potty Training - not till 5 y/o????

In this group it's not unusual for our children not to potty train

till late three or early four (overall) due to low tone. Not sure

which group five is normal in?

I just posted recently that even " normal " kids are training late

today, but am too fried to find the post (must be under a different

subject which is why subject titles are important) So searched quick

and found these links on it at google

Lots more out there -may want to cut and paste links

Toilet-trained at 2? Today it's rare

Grandma may not agree, but the change is fine, experts say. They see

no need to rush the process.

http://users.erols.com/elainefrankadopt/inquire.html

But over the last few decades, the age at which toddlers become

diaper-free has been creeping upward. In 1957, 92 percent of

children were toilet-trained by the age of 18 months, studies found.

Today the figure for 2-year-olds is just 4 percent, according to a

large-scale Philadelphia study. Only 60 percent of children have

achieved mastery of the toilet by 36 months, the study found, and 2

percent remain untrained at the age of 4 years.

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so142/News_st

ories/toil\

etT.html

And...in case that was not enough -for those

interested parties -here is a potty archive that has other potty

messages in it -and will teach you how to search the archives for

even more- So this message is full of potty stuff! (wait, is that

what I meant to say?)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:56 am

Subject: Re: Potty training help

Hi !

Knowing -the Outreach Coordinator for CHERAB-she can find you

even more advice than the following. (which is from two messages of

's

from

the archives) ~

~~~~~~~~~~~~

For those who are new here is a great chance to let everyone know

how to

search the archives for topics of interest.

Go to You will need

to sign into , and if you don't have a account, it's free

to get one.

Once you are in the website you will see a white box with the

words " Search Archives " All you need to do is put in key words for

example " Potty Training " or " ProEfa " etc. and it will bring up a

list of messages. That may not be the complete list, and you may have

to search under various names to find everything.

If you know the post number, you can add that to the box that says

Msg # ___ and then press " go "

Anyway, here are some messages in reference to Potty Training that

I archived for you. Hope this helps you out some and best wishes!

Mustafa,

Mom to three great kids!

Khalid 14 1/2 yrs. (Verbal and Limb Araxia and speaking

well) Jadd 6.11 yrs. (Oral Apraxia) Danya 9 1/2 yrs.

Archives on potty training:

#507

#651

#662

#633

#642

#641

#635

#630

#625

#622

#673

Re-thinking Potty Practices-

Part 1: Popular potty training advice includes a number of

long-held assertions that simply don't parallel normal

human development.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701a.htm

Part 2: Muscles, including those needed for voiding

functions, need to be used and exercised for proper

development.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701b.htm

Part 3: Urology researchers suggest that the late-onset of

toilet training may permanently affect bladder and bowel

control.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701c.htm

Part 4: Communication of elimination functions is not

limited to verbal skills, nor is social cooperation a

prominent attribute among two-year olds.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701d.htm

Part 5: Anthropologists have clearly shown that a society's

specific infant training practices are adaptive to

sociocultural factors, which indicate a profound effect on

toilet training readiness.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701e.htm

Part 6: As we re-think our potty training practices, the

need to develop and market related products and

instructional material is evident.

http://babyparenting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701f.htm

Mustafa

Re: [ ] Re: apraxia and potty training

Hi

My son was 5.5 years old when he potty trained. I had tried every

trick in the

book but he just wasn't ready and it had nothing to do with his

apraxia. He, at

that point, could make things known with sign and pecs. The tale of

kids not

liking sitting in a wet or dirty diaper didn't apply to him. He never

noticed.

Well, one day we were yet again sitting on the toilet and he signed

Santa to me.

I was so grumpy that day that I told him that Santa liked it when

little boys

went

in the potty. I felt horrible after I said it and immediately

apologized to

him.

That night my husband yelled at me to come to the bathroom. When I

got there

my son and husband were looking proudly in the toilet and there, like

a golden

scepter sat a raisin size piece of poop!

Since that night he has been completely potty trained, poop and pee,

night and

day!

If I had known all it took was me saying santa I would have done it

years ago

and saved

myself the expense of all the bribes we bought!

just my story,

Sandy

~~~~~~~~end of archives

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[Guest guest]

Actually, my son is on the spectrum with apraxia. He is 4 1/2 and 50 lbs.

Actually the Pull ups Huggies 4T 5T are pretty roomy for a big boy which my

son is. I just started to bite the bullet and keep my son in Gerber training

pants, they are 4T but again roomy, they have a thicker cotton crotch area so

his pants still get wet if he has an accident but it does not get all over

everything. He has started to realize if he wets he doesn't like it, so now he

is holding his urine until he gets a pull up on for bed time, or whatever.

If he just cannot hold it he does have an accident. I for the longest time

have worried about this potty training thing, but I have been assured that he

will get it, he is very smart as I am sure your son is, but maybe he just

isn't ready, sometimes I don't think my son knows he has to go until it is too

late. Also, try to teach your son the difference between wet and dry, that

also helps, maybe a PECS picture of the toilet or try to teach him the sign, my

son still wont go on the potty but he doesn't mind going and sitting which I

guess is good. Good luck, from one Mom to the next I know what you are

going through. Also, if you just don't have any other options the Good night

pull ups come in small, which is our son's size, med and large, the cost does

add up but it is an option. I know they say get your child out of pull ups,

they have to be able to feel the wetness. Jen

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