Re: what are we doing wrong??

[Guest guest]

From my understanding you shouldn't even start stage 1 foods until the

D or C has cleared. Sticking only with intro foods.

Corin

[Guest guest]

" The boys all alternate between diarrhea and constipation - still. In

two of them, including my ASD son, there has never been a single sign

of any kind of die-off. None. "

If it is any consolation, we never saw " die off " either. (Not even

with the introduction of yogurt.)

But I have a question.

What is your definition of D. and constipation?

Perhaps it is a difference in terminology.

How long did you wait before introducing the almond products?

Jody

mom to -7 and -10

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

No... we don't want most people staying on the intro diet any longer than about

five days max. If someone has severe and frequent, and/or cramping with a GI

disorder... they may need to stick with intro a bit longer.

Patti

Re: what are we doing wrong??

From my understanding you shouldn't even start stage 1 foods until the

D or C has cleared. Sticking only with intro foods.

Corin

[Guest guest]

I was using the term " constipation " to mean 3-4 days with no stools. I used

" diarrhea " to mean loose or really loose stools; I guess " diarrhea " may not be

the right term. My frustration is that *nothing* has changed, good or bad.

Does this mean nothing at all is healing?? Are we not making any progress at

all?

FYI, we did intro for two days at the beginning. We did not come into this with

true diarrhea, but we did come into it with loose stools.

Shouldn't we be seeing some kind of improvement in something, whether

stool-related or other ASD-symptom related?

Lynn

Re: what are we doing wrong??

" The boys all alternate between diarrhea and constipation - still. In

two of them, including my ASD son, there has never been a single sign

of any kind of die-off. None. "

If it is any consolation, we never saw " die off " either. (Not even

with the introduction of yogurt.)

But I have a question.

What is your definition of D. and constipation?

Perhaps it is a difference in terminology.

How long did you wait before introducing the almond products?

Jody

mom to -7 and -10

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry Jody, I just realized I did not answer your question regarding almond

butter. We introduced it after about 3 weeks.

Lynn

Re: what are we doing wrong??

" The boys all alternate between diarrhea and constipation - still. In

two of them, including my ASD son, there has never been a single sign

of any kind of die-off. None. "

If it is any consolation, we never saw " die off " either. (Not even

with the introduction of yogurt.)

But I have a question.

What is your definition of D. and constipation?

Perhaps it is a difference in terminology.

How long did you wait before introducing the almond products?

Jody

mom to -7 and -10

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

I would try to worry less about not seeing die-off... you may have it going

on... but the signs are just not so dramatic.

I will be brief here... I've got a sick little girl to tend to... but just a

couple of things.

I think I said that I thought you should stop ALL supplements, except the

probiotics. Maybe you misunderstood me. I do think the CLO and the EPO are

" legal " ... but I still thought you should stop using them for a time, then add

them back one at a time after things stabilize. Did you do that? You didn't say.

Also, if you continue to see NO improvement in stools, you might want to

consider stopping the probiotics as well.... just for a week.... just to see if

maybe there is SOMEthing about those particular ones that is not agreeing with

your families' systems.

I don't know why that would be, and I would hate to see you using NO probiotic

at all if you weren't using the yogurt, but now you are, so I just always think

you have to remove any variables.

On the foods.... the cucumbers are seeded and cooked, too? I'm assuming so,

since you said everything was peeled and cooked " as appropriate " .

The chicken you're buying is 100% plain... no additives or seasoning? I know

some chicken has added basting solutions, etc... that can have hidden illegals.

I don't see anything else that would be a red flag to me.

I just think that it's not all that uncommon to see this back and forth from C

to D. For one thing, everyone is eating a LOT of meat now... which tends to

naturally be constipating. Then, maybe you have the gut detoxing and clearing

out the " gunk " at the same time,... so you're seeing this tendancy to go back

and forth. ??? I don't know if that's a sound theory at all.... but I'm trying

to figure out what *could* be happening.

I want to assure you of one thing... I just don't think you could say that

NOTHING is going on. You did see some die-off symptoms with the one boy... if he

was feeling " not up to his normal self " ... and was looking pale, and now you're

seeing that he is constantly hungry. That is SO common.

In your case, I might suggest you go back and do one day of intro.... even

though you're probably feeling like you're barely beyond that right now, one day

might jump start everyone to really get things rolling.

That's all I can think of...

Patti

what are we doing wrong??

We have been SCD for 5 weeks now. The boys all alternate between diarrhea and

constipation - still. In two of them, including my ASD son, there has never been

a single sign of any kind of die-off. None. Period. The other son seemed to go

through some die-off in the beginning; he was really pale and just did not feel

up to his normal self. That one is now constantly hungry, which I understand

*can* indicate that he is healing. However, he still alternates between D and C

too and never has a " normal " stool either.

But why are we not seeing die-off YET? And why, after 5 weeks, is there still

the flip-flop between D and C? And why is there no improvement of any kind in

anyone? We have stopped almost all supplements (see next sentence), and are

*only* eating legal foods, nothing beyond stage 2 (see below). The only

" supplements " are Kirkman legal acidophilus, Carlson's Cod Liver Oil, and

Swanson's Evening Primrose Oil. The one son that appears to be healing is also

taking S.Boulardi (Kirkman legal) since he has C.Difficile. Patty was kind

enough to double-check these for me and feels they are fine (Patti, I pulled all

other supplements as you suggested, to try to get something to happen here...)

We are making using 24-hour goat-milk yogurt, with the legal yogourmet

starter.

What do we do???? I know this should work for us; how could it not?? The only

alternative is going back to the SAD, and that just doesn't make sense when

comparing it to SCD for results. So WHY are we not getting results??

I would LOVE feedback from any who can help.

Here is what we are eating, if you need it in detail. Everything is " cooked,

peeled, seeded " as appropriate:

Roast beef (crockpot) unseasoned

Roast chicken (crockpot) unseasoned

Grilled steak, grilled chicken, occasionally grilled hamburgers

Green beans

Spinach

Cucumbers

Very ripe bananas

Homemade applesauce

Occasionally cooked/peeled peaches

Butternut squash

24-hour homemade goat yogurt

Eggs (except for my ASD son; he is IGG allergic)

Occasionally homemade Ketchup (except for my ASD son; he is IGG allergic to

tomatoes) using homegrown tomatoes, basil leaf, white vinegar, honey

Honey (some)

Legal mustard

Almond butter

Almond butter muffins and cookies (some)

Some olive oil; not much

Salt and pepper

Apple cidar vinegar (on the spinach)

Twice we have made the BTVC cheesecake - twice in 5 weeks

Suggestions PLEASE...

Lynn

5 weeks SCD

ASD 9yr old with yeast

4.5 yr old with yeast and c.difficile

22 mth old with dysbiosis (untested)

[Guest guest]

Did you keep a food journal? As long as symptoms are active, I would

not include any nuts in the diet. While they are scd legal, many

people cannot digest them very well.

I would consider bone marrow broths and digestive enzymes.

Introducing foods slowly, and gauging reactions rather than holding

to some idea of when a food should be introduced. SCD lists the

legal foods, doesn't mean they all are appropriate for everyone. The

stages are not a hard and fast rule, a general guide instead. You

are going to have to dig into the diet a bit.

I wouldn't worry about seeing die off.

Other important things, where does the food come from, how is it

prepared.

Getting on top of yeast consider candex, oreganol, removing honey

from the diet, and general digestive enzymes.

I wouldn't use apple cidar vinegar unless repasturized.

Consider going back to intro, and taking it slower with a food

journal spacing food introductions and using plenty of bone marrow

broth and digestive enzymes www.houstonni.com

Summer

>

> We have been SCD for 5 weeks now. The boys all alternate between

diarrhea and constipation - still. In two of them, including my ASD

son, there has never been a single sign of any kind of die-off.

None. Period. The other son seemed to go through some die-off in

the beginning; he was really pale and just did not feel up to his

normal self. That one is now constantly hungry, which I understand

*can* indicate that he is healing. However, he still alternates

between D and C too and never has a " normal " stool either.

>

> But why are we not seeing die-off YET? And why, after 5 weeks, is

there still the flip-flop between D and C? And why is there no

improvement of any kind in anyone? We have stopped almost all

supplements (see next sentence), and are *only* eating legal foods,

nothing beyond stage 2 (see below). The only " supplements " are

Kirkman legal acidophilus, Carlson's Cod Liver Oil, and Swanson's

Evening Primrose Oil. The one son that appears to be healing is

also taking S.Boulardi (Kirkman legal) since he has C.Difficile.

Patty was kind enough to double-check these for me and feels they

are fine (Patti, I pulled all other supplements as you suggested, to

try to get something to happen here...)

>

> We are making using 24-hour goat-milk yogurt, with the legal

yogourmet starter.

>

> What do we do???? I know this should work for us; how could it

not?? The only alternative is going back to the SAD, and that just

doesn't make sense when comparing it to SCD for results. So WHY are

we not getting results??

>

> I would LOVE feedback from any who can help.

>

> Here is what we are eating, if you need it in detail. Everything

is " cooked, peeled, seeded " as appropriate:

>

> Roast beef (crockpot) unseasoned

> Roast chicken (crockpot) unseasoned

> Grilled steak, grilled chicken, occasionally grilled hamburgers

> Green beans

> Spinach

> Cucumbers

> Very ripe bananas

> Homemade applesauce

> Occasionally cooked/peeled peaches

> Butternut squash

> 24-hour homemade goat yogurt

> Eggs (except for my ASD son; he is IGG allergic)

> Occasionally homemade Ketchup (except for my ASD son; he is IGG

allergic to tomatoes) using homegrown tomatoes, basil leaf, white

vinegar, honey

> Honey (some)

> Legal mustard

> Almond butter

> Almond butter muffins and cookies (some)

> Some olive oil; not much

> Salt and pepper

> Apple cidar vinegar (on the spinach)

> Twice we have made the BTVC cheesecake - twice in 5 weeks

>

> Suggestions PLEASE...

>

> Lynn

> 5 weeks SCD

> ASD 9yr old with yeast

> 4.5 yr old with yeast and c.difficile

> 22 mth old with dysbiosis (untested)

>

>

>