Re: Re:day 4 - going back to work monday and nervous

November 24, 2006

Patti

Yes only using acidopholis. Someone mentioned proscuto (isn't that like an

Italian sausage?) I've heard of it on the Food Network. I could use some

snack ideas. We tried the " cheese crackers " yesterday. He ate a little. Will

try the carrot curls shortly.

He's going back to the sitter Monday, so i am trying to come up with stuff he

can eat for snack there. I'm really nervous about snack time at her house

because they always have chips/goldfish/pretzels etc, once in the am and once

after nap. So if anyone has suggestions for a beginner snack that is similiar

to those above I'd be GRATEFUL.

The sitter is used to feeding the kids for lunch: noodles, grilled cheese,

pizza etc. So it will be a hard transition for her, the other kids and Gavin.

Not sure how it will fly when the other kids are eating regular food that he

craves. I'm sure she will try to keep the food similar, but right now the only

things on his diet are: chicken nuggets, homemade apple/pear/zucchni sauce,

cheese and popcicles with fruit and zucchni. Praise the Lord I was able to

have all week off to start the diet with him, but going back to work scares me,

if anyone has had to do this and has suggestions I'm open to them.

Thanks

becky, son ASD

Patti wrote:

Becky,

You said:

<<His pooh is dark grey and a little gritty kind of the consistency of mashed

potatoes. Which i am assuming is normal for the beginning of this diet?>>

Yes... I think this can be quite normal in the beginning. We see all kinds of

color and consistency changes. As the bacteria and yeast die-off and leave the

body, you may see gritty stuff.... specks.... even stringy stuff.

<<He started the probiotic (kirkman's) about 4 days prior to starting the diet.

(the first day on it the babysitter said he had the most normal pooh since's

she's had him). Since he is on the probiotic should he not eat the yogurt?>>

Just know that the probiotic itself can trigger die-off. You are using JUST

acidophilus, right?

Yes, he can take the probiotic AND eat yogurt. Elaine always recommended both.

<<But he is still sooo hungry.>>

Ravenous appetite is very common in the beginning.

<<Is there a specific BACON that is ok.... He loves bacon! He will only eat

chicken and bacon- no beef.>>

In the book, Elaine recommends that regular bacon can be used..... " ONCE A WEEK,

if it is fried very crisply " , if one cannot find a source of bacon that is

smoked without sugar.

Even then, I would caution against letting him eat a LOT of bacon as a beginner.

I just personally think it would be harder to digest due to the fat content,

even if you find one that is sugar free. If you buy a sugar-free one.... then if

he would be satisfied with just a couple of slices per day, that seems

reasonable to me. You'd have to see how he tolerated that, poo-wise.

<<I've searched the internet for HOURS looking at recipes-- I'm tired of

cooking- but will continue.>>

Do you need some more easy ideas for crispy, crunchy foods? How about the carrot

chips?

<<Everyday I look for any changes and nothing yet. I read about 3 weeks before

noticable changes. Also curious as to what is the typical first change most

people see--- if there is a typical one. I just need to see some evidence that

this truely will cause some change in him to reinforce the need to proceed, you

know?!!>>

Well, keep in mind that, in a way, you have only JUST started doing the diet

properly. This may be a bit of a rough transition for you.... and a challenge to

find some foods he will accept. We'll try to help you. I know you're anxious to

see changes, but I definitely think some of the things you were using before

were getting in the way.... so it may be a few more days, or a week, before

things REALLY start to change.

<<One last question- how do you know when it's ok to move up stages. What should

the pooh look like to show you he's ready for nut flour etc...>>

It's different for everyone. You will want to see some improvement in the

symptoms you started the diet for. Keep it simple as long as possible. As the

colonies of gut pathogens die-off, they will leave behind tender new tissue in

the lining of the gut.... so keep that in mind as you introduce foods. Think of

treating that tender tissue as gently as possible.

Write this: EASY TO DIGEST .... on a piece of paper, in BIG letters.... and post

it on your kitchen wall. Make this your mantra!

Patti

November 24, 2006

Becky,

Proscuto is an Italian made ham. When you buy it, it is sliced very thinly like

bacon. I can then slice it into wide strips, and fry it like bacon. It's

pretty widely available, I guess. I'm not sure about Arkansas. I lived there

about 12 years ago while Attending Harding University in Searcy. Back then, I

would've never been able to find proscuto in that small town, but you should be

able to get it if you are near a larger town. You can also order it on line

with no problem. The mock goldfish, pretzels, ect. are going to be tough

because you're excluding nut flour right now. You can make zucchini noodles

though. Peal the zucchini, and then just continue to use the pealer to make

noodles out of it. When you get down to the seedy part, just discard that.

Just saute the zucchini noodles in some butter or oil. You can salt and pepper

them, of course, and add shredded cheese, chicken or ground beef, homemade

spaghetti sauce, ect. The babysitter may have to watch him like a bawk when the

food is out. If he's anything like a lot of these kids, including mine, he'll

desperately try to get that illegal food when it's around for a while.

Meleah

Re: Re:day 4 - going back to work monday and nervous

Patti

Yes only using acidopholis. Someone mentioned proscuto (isn't that like an

Italian sausage?) I've heard of it on the Food Network. I could use some snack

ideas. We tried the " cheese crackers " yesterday. He ate a little. Will try the

carrot curls shortly.

He's going back to the sitter Monday, so i am trying to come up with stuff he

can eat for snack there. I'm really nervous about snack time at her house

because they always have chips/goldfish/pretzels etc, once in the am and once

after nap. So if anyone has suggestions for a beginner snack that is similiar to

those above I'd be GRATEFUL.

The sitter is used to feeding the kids for lunch: noodles, grilled cheese,

pizza etc. So it will be a hard transition for her, the other kids and Gavin.

Not sure how it will fly when the other kids are eating regular food that he

craves. I'm sure she will try to keep the food similar, but right now the only

things on his diet are: chicken nuggets, homemade apple/pear/zucchni sauce,

cheese and popcicles with fruit and zucchni. Praise the Lord I was able to have

all week off to start the diet with him, but going back to work scares me, if

anyone has had to do this and has suggestions I'm open to them.

Thanks

becky, son ASD

Patti wrote:

Becky,

You said:

<<His pooh is dark grey and a little gritty kind of the consistency of mashed

potatoes. Which i am assuming is normal for the beginning of this diet?>>

Yes... I think this can be quite normal in the beginning. We see all kinds of

color and consistency changes. As the bacteria and yeast die-off and leave the

body, you may see gritty stuff.... specks.... even stringy stuff.

<<He started the probiotic (kirkman's) about 4 days prior to starting the

diet. (the first day on it the babysitter said he had the most normal pooh

since's she's had him). Since he is on the probiotic should he not eat the

yogurt?>>

Just know that the probiotic itself can trigger die-off. You are using JUST

acidophilus, right?

Yes, he can take the probiotic AND eat yogurt. Elaine always recommended both.

<<But he is still sooo hungry.>>

Ravenous appetite is very common in the beginning.

<<Is there a specific BACON that is ok.... He loves bacon! He will only eat

chicken and bacon- no beef.>>

In the book, Elaine recommends that regular bacon can be used..... " ONCE A

WEEK, if it is fried very crisply " , if one cannot find a source of bacon that is

smoked without sugar.

Even then, I would caution against letting him eat a LOT of bacon as a

beginner. I just personally think it would be harder to digest due to the fat

content, even if you find one that is sugar free. If you buy a sugar-free

one.... then if he would be satisfied with just a couple of slices per day, that

seems reasonable to me. You'd have to see how he tolerated that, poo-wise.

<<I've searched the internet for HOURS looking at recipes-- I'm tired of

cooking- but will continue.>>

Do you need some more easy ideas for crispy, crunchy foods? How about the

carrot chips?

<<Everyday I look for any changes and nothing yet. I read about 3 weeks before

noticable changes. Also curious as to what is the typical first change most

people see--- if there is a typical one. I just need to see some evidence that

this truely will cause some change in him to reinforce the need to proceed, you

know?!!>>

Well, keep in mind that, in a way, you have only JUST started doing the diet

properly. This may be a bit of a rough transition for you.... and a challenge to

find some foods he will accept. We'll try to help you. I know you're anxious to

see changes, but I definitely think some of the things you were using before

were getting in the way.... so it may be a few more days, or a week, before

things REALLY start to change.

<<One last question- how do you know when it's ok to move up stages. What

should the pooh look like to show you he's ready for nut flour etc...>>

It's different for everyone. You will want to see some improvement in the

symptoms you started the diet for. Keep it simple as long as possible. As the

colonies of gut pathogens die-off, they will leave behind tender new tissue in

the lining of the gut.... so keep that in mind as you introduce foods. Think of

treating that tender tissue as gently as possible.

Write this: EASY TO DIGEST .... on a piece of paper, in BIG letters.... and

post it on your kitchen wall. Make this your mantra!

Patti

November 24, 2006

It will be really hard to try to make his food " similar " to theirs. That's a

dilemma. Hopefully, she can distract him with some other non-food reward or

something. I guess it will just depend on your son.

My daughter is not cognitively aware enough of what everyone else is eating....

thank goodness. I ate lunch with her the other day and was horrified at what

some of the other kids were eating..... one little boy with autism who was

sitting right next to Katera was eating Lunchables & Go-Gurt... and washing it

down with a Capri Sun. Another one (again... with autism) had ONLY corn chips,

Cheese Nips, a peanut butter sandwich on white bread, and Oreos for lunch....

OH, and chocolate milk. NICE! Thankfully, Katera is happy enough just

eating her own food.

I would suggest maybe trying the butternut squash fries.... but you really need

a baking stone to get them crisp. They are really good, though. The other kids

would be wanting to steal HIS food if they had a chance to try these!