Re: Day 2 of Intro.....Questions on LEGAL Items! HELP!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links via email, but I did already have those though.

What I was asking specifically about was legal for the INTRO diet.

And most of those links do not include recipes for cooking without

eggs anyway. I really need to know if what I am giving my son NOW is

legal for Intro diet, as well as later on the SC Diet. There is

really nothing that I can find out there about giving garlic,

organic " non-concentrate " fruit juices, etc. are legal or not for the

INTRO DIET. My son will NOT eat the meat patties without garlic and

salt. I was hoping that I could get some answers from the

experienced SCD'ers out here, and other suggestions if what we are

doing is NOT legal right now. Otherwise, we may never make it

through the intro diet, and my son still has terrible diarhea.

Please help!!!!! This diet is very frustrating! Thanks –

>

> Doh, I posted this HUGE long email yesterday and the posting

process

> ATE it I guess, as it never showed up. Ugh. Anyway, we are at Day 2

> now of the intro diet, after a month of not doing it quite right.

>

> These are the things that Ben is eating. I'm not sure if they are

all

> legal, but since he absolutely cannot have eggs or dairy (in any

> form), plus he won't touch jello (sensory issues) I have had to be

> creative. Can someone please let me know if these things are legal?

> He is what he is eating:

>

> 1 - ground beef or turkey patties, with organic cut garlic, sea

salt,

> pan fried in organic sunflower oil.

> 2 - Homemade popcicles with the following juices (NONE are from

> concentrate, but still don't know if legal): RW Knudsen Organic

Pear

> Juice, RW Knudsen Organic Apple Juice, Lakewood Organic Pure

Concord

> Grape Juice, Indian Summer Apple Cider. I also have (but have not

> used yet) Lakewood Organic Pure Cranberry Juice. Does anyone know

of

> other legal brand names of juices? Is there a white grape juice

that

> is legal? We prefer organic, where possible.

> 3 - Homemade Jello (Knox Unflavored Gelatin, with juices from

above).

> However, he won't eat the jello...doesn't like the texture!

> 4 - Homemade Chicken Soup w/carrots, made just like the website

> requires. He won't eat this either though!

>

> Tried making the chicken pancakes w/out eggs..about 7 different

> times..HORRIBLE! I need some more recipes to get throught these

> first five days, so if anyone has any creative ideas, I would

really

> appreciate it!!!!!

>

> Thanks so much in advance -

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

The Knudsen juices that you've been using are illegal. Only use the juices from

their " Just Juice " line. I'm not familiar with the apple cider brand you're

using, but apple cider usually isn't nationally produced anyway. Is it kept in

the refrigerated section of your grocery store? If not, then I'm sure it's not

legal. Welch's 100% white grape juice is legal although not organic.

Everything else looks fine, but the frying might be encouraging the stool

problems. Frying isn't recommended on the intro if you're planning to go back

to that. I'm sure some of the moms with pickier eaters than my son can give you

some recipe suggestions.

Meleah

Day 2 of Intro.....Questions on LEGAL Items! HELP!

Doh, I posted this HUGE long email yesterday and the posting process

ATE it I guess, as it never showed up. Ugh. Anyway, we are at Day 2

now of the intro diet, after a month of not doing it quite right.

These are the things that Ben is eating. I'm not sure if they are all

legal, but since he absolutely cannot have eggs or dairy (in any

form), plus he won't touch jello (sensory issues) I have had to be

creative. Can someone please let me know if these things are legal?

He is what he is eating:

1 - ground beef or turkey patties, with organic cut garlic, sea salt,

pan fried in organic sunflower oil.

2 - Homemade popcicles with the following juices (NONE are from

concentrate, but still don't know if legal): RW Knudsen Organic Pear

Juice, RW Knudsen Organic Apple Juice, Lakewood Organic Pure Concord

Grape Juice, Indian Summer Apple Cider. I also have (but have not

used yet) Lakewood Organic Pure Cranberry Juice. Does anyone know of

other legal brand names of juices? Is there a white grape juice that

is legal? We prefer organic, where possible.

3 - Homemade Jello (Knox Unflavored Gelatin, with juices from above).

However, he won't eat the jello...doesn't like the texture!

4 - Homemade Chicken Soup w/carrots, made just like the website

requires. He won't eat this either though!

Tried making the chicken pancakes w/out eggs..about 7 different

times..HORRIBLE! I need some more recipes to get throught these

first five days, so if anyone has any creative ideas, I would really

appreciate it!!!!!

Thanks so much in advance -

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for the links via email, but I did already have those though.

> What I was asking specifically about was legal for the INTRO diet.

> And most of those links do not include recipes for cooking without

> eggs anyway. I really need to know if what I am giving my son NOW is

> legal for Intro diet, as well as later on the SC Diet. There is

> really nothing that I can find out there about giving garlic,

> organic " non-concentrate " fruit juices, etc. are legal or not for the

> INTRO DIET. My son will NOT eat the meat patties without garlic and

> salt. I was hoping that I could get some answers from the

> experienced SCD'ers out here, and other suggestions if what we are

> doing is NOT legal right now. Otherwise, we may never make it

> through the intro diet, and my son still has terrible diarhea.

> Please help!!!!! This diet is very frustrating! Thanks –

>

We are looking at TWO days for the intro. There is onion in the chicken soup.

Use a little

garlic if it helps him eat meat. Legal bottled juices are the Just Juice line

from Knudson

( not their other juices) but all but grape are started after the intro id

diaharrea is gone. .

Welch's Grape from concentrate in bottles or plastic jugs is legal. So is

Tropicana O.J. in

the carton but no boxed tetra pack juices. Dole pineapplke juice is legal.

Dilute all juices

with water.

If you have the BTVC book and study the two websites carefully I think you will

find there

is going to be a lot to eat, even egg free.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

The juices that I told you are not legal are never going to be OK...for the

intro or later on. Salt and pepper are fine for the intro. Technically, garlic

isn't, but a moderater can better advise you about what you might be able to do

about that. , do you think you could give some meal ideas? I think you

guys are pretty much dairy and egg free, aren't you? You might be a good source

of initial ideas for .

Meleah

Re: Day 2 of Intro.....Questions on LEGAL Items! HELP!

Thanks for the links via email, but I did already have those though.

What I was asking specifically about was legal for the INTRO diet.

And most of those links do not include recipes for cooking without

eggs anyway. I really need to know if what I am giving my son NOW is

legal for Intro diet, as well as later on the SC Diet. There is

really nothing that I can find out there about giving garlic,

organic " non-concentrate " fruit juices, etc. are legal or not for the

INTRO DIET. My son will NOT eat the meat patties without garlic and

salt. I was hoping that I could get some answers from the

experienced SCD'ers out here, and other suggestions if what we are

doing is NOT legal right now. Otherwise, we may never make it

through the intro diet, and my son still has terrible diarhea.

Please help!!!!! This diet is very frustrating! Thanks -

>

> Doh, I posted this HUGE long email yesterday and the posting

process

> ATE it I guess, as it never showed up. Ugh. Anyway, we are at Day 2

> now of the intro diet, after a month of not doing it quite right.

>

> These are the things that Ben is eating. I'm not sure if they are

all

> legal, but since he absolutely cannot have eggs or dairy (in any

> form), plus he won't touch jello (sensory issues) I have had to be

> creative. Can someone please let me know if these things are legal?

> He is what he is eating:

>

> 1 - ground beef or turkey patties, with organic cut garlic, sea

salt,

> pan fried in organic sunflower oil.

> 2 - Homemade popcicles with the following juices (NONE are from

> concentrate, but still don't know if legal): RW Knudsen Organic

Pear

> Juice, RW Knudsen Organic Apple Juice, Lakewood Organic Pure

Concord

> Grape Juice, Indian Summer Apple Cider. I also have (but have not

> used yet) Lakewood Organic Pure Cranberry Juice. Does anyone know

of

> other legal brand names of juices? Is there a white grape juice

that

> is legal? We prefer organic, where possible.

> 3 - Homemade Jello (Knox Unflavored Gelatin, with juices from

above).

> However, he won't eat the jello...doesn't like the texture!

> 4 - Homemade Chicken Soup w/carrots, made just like the website

> requires. He won't eat this either though!

>

> Tried making the chicken pancakes w/out eggs..about 7 different

> times..HORRIBLE! I need some more recipes to get throught these

> first five days, so if anyone has any creative ideas, I would

really

> appreciate it!!!!!

>

> Thanks so much in advance -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!!!!! I just checked out the RW Knudsen website and

looked at the " Just Juice " line. It seems that the Blueberry,

Cranberry, and Tart Cherry are all made from concentrate though...are

they still legal??? The others, like the Grape, were not.

Is the " Pure " line ok from the Lakewood Organics juices? I thought I

had read somewhere that they were....

No, the Apple Cider was NOT refrigerated, so I will discard that one

(it was REALLY awful anyway!) I will get the refrig type, and the

Welch's juice (supermarket for that....we never go there

anymore..just WHole Foods for our one-stop shopping!!!) He can't have

OJ...very allergic to oranges. I also read somewhere that oranges are

really bad for blocking detoxification? Anyway, I am planning to

have the whole family do the diet soon, so I am doing a " house dump "

of all the things we can't have. I have yeast issues, and my dh has

bowel issues that I would personally love to handle! LOL. ;-)

Hmmm, no frying? I could try broiling I guess w/out the sunflower

oil. He does LOVE the garlic, so any insight there would be great.

So only Grape and Apple Cider for the intro? And only two days, not

five???? Why have I seen five days? WHat's the difference, and what

should I do?

Any other suggestions are sooooooo welcome.....I don't know how I

could do this diet without your help!!!! ;-)

Thanks again -

>

> ,

> The Knudsen juices that you've been using are illegal. Only use

the juices from their " Just Juice " line. I'm not familiar with the

apple cider brand you're using, but apple cider usually isn't

nationally produced anyway. Is it kept in the refrigerated section

of your grocery store? If not, then I'm sure it's not legal.

Welch's 100% white grape juice is legal although not organic.

Everything else looks fine, but the frying might be encouraging the

stool problems. Frying isn't recommended on the intro if you're

planning to go back to that. I'm sure some of the moms with pickier

eaters than my son can give you some recipe suggestions.

> Meleah

>

> Day 2 of Intro.....Questions on LEGAL

Items! HELP!

>

>

> Doh, I posted this HUGE long email yesterday and the posting

process

> ATE it I guess, as it never showed up. Ugh. Anyway, we are at Day

2

> now of the intro diet, after a month of not doing it quite right.

>

> These are the things that Ben is eating. I'm not sure if they are

all

> legal, but since he absolutely cannot have eggs or dairy (in any

> form), plus he won't touch jello (sensory issues) I have had to

be

> creative. Can someone please let me know if these things are

legal?

> He is what he is eating:

>

> 1 - ground beef or turkey patties, with organic cut garlic, sea

salt,

> pan fried in organic sunflower oil.

> 2 - Homemade popcicles with the following juices (NONE are from

> concentrate, but still don't know if legal): RW Knudsen Organic

Pear

> Juice, RW Knudsen Organic Apple Juice, Lakewood Organic Pure

Concord

> Grape Juice, Indian Summer Apple Cider. I also have (but have not

> used yet) Lakewood Organic Pure Cranberry Juice. Does anyone know

of

> other legal brand names of juices? Is there a white grape juice

that

> is legal? We prefer organic, where possible.

> 3 - Homemade Jello (Knox Unflavored Gelatin, with juices from

above).

> However, he won't eat the jello...doesn't like the texture!

> 4 - Homemade Chicken Soup w/carrots, made just like the website

> requires. He won't eat this either though!

>

> Tried making the chicken pancakes w/out eggs..about 7 different

> times..HORRIBLE! I need some more recipes to get throught these

> first five days, so if anyone has any creative ideas, I would

really

> appreciate it!!!!!

>

> Thanks so much in advance -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Just Juices line is legal even though it may say that it is from

concentrate. I don't know why. I just know that it is. I'm not sure about the

Lakewood Organics juice. I've not heard of it before. The Welch's white grape

in the bottle will also say from concentrate. It is OK. Yes, dump the apple

cider. Get the kind in the refrigerated section, and make sure that it is just

apples...nothing else. Yes, just broil or grill instead of the pan frying for

the intro. If Carol says that a little garlic will be OK, then go ahead. She's

an scd veteran, and knows her stuff. I'd mince the fresh garlic very fine, or

make your own garlic powder. Do you have a food dehydrater? If so, you can

easily dry garlic cloves, and grind them into garlic powder. Don't use store

bought. They add starches to it to prevent caking. Be prepared that your

entire house will smell like garlic for days if you dry your own. We don't have

a dehydrater, so my mom made garlic powder for us a few months back. It was so

strong that she moved the dehydrater to her front porch for several days while

it was drying. The number of days on the intro really depends on the symptoms.

Two days is a minimum, and five days is the max. It depends on when the diahrea

subsides. If it still hasn't subsided after the five days, then go ahead and

move on to new foods, but move very slowly. Choose foods that are very easily

digested when you begin to bring in new foods after intro(green beans, zucchini,

spinach). Have you looked at the stages list under food preparation at

pecanbread.com? This will be helpful for you, I think. I think it's good to

have the whole family go scd. We cleaned all of the junk out of the house when

iel went scd in May. We all eat scd at home, but the rest of the family

does eat regular when we're at someone else's home. Mainly, because I don't

want to hastle with taking food for five people everywhere we go. Anyway, let

us know if you need more help.

Meleah

Day 2 of Intro.....Questions on LEGAL

Items! HELP!

>

>

> Doh, I posted this HUGE long email yesterday and the posting

process

> ATE it I guess, as it never showed up. Ugh. Anyway, we are at Day

2

> now of the intro diet, after a month of not doing it quite right.

>

> These are the things that Ben is eating. I'm not sure if they are

all

> legal, but since he absolutely cannot have eggs or dairy (in any

> form), plus he won't touch jello (sensory issues) I have had to

be

> creative. Can someone please let me know if these things are

legal?

> He is what he is eating:

>

> 1 - ground beef or turkey patties, with organic cut garlic, sea

salt,

> pan fried in organic sunflower oil.

> 2 - Homemade popcicles with the following juices (NONE are from

> concentrate, but still don't know if legal): RW Knudsen Organic

Pear

> Juice, RW Knudsen Organic Apple Juice, Lakewood Organic Pure

Concord

> Grape Juice, Indian Summer Apple Cider. I also have (but have not

> used yet) Lakewood Organic Pure Cranberry Juice. Does anyone know

of

> other legal brand names of juices? Is there a white grape juice

that

> is legal? We prefer organic, where possible.

> 3 - Homemade Jello (Knox Unflavored Gelatin, with juices from

above).

> However, he won't eat the jello...doesn't like the texture!

> 4 - Homemade Chicken Soup w/carrots, made just like the website

> requires. He won't eat this either though!

>

> Tried making the chicken pancakes w/out eggs..about 7 different

> times..HORRIBLE! I need some more recipes to get throught these

> first five days, so if anyone has any creative ideas, I would

really

> appreciate it!!!!!

>

> Thanks so much in advance -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm going back to your earlier post from today.... even though it's been

answered by a couple of people.

Here's the hardest part: If you're been using all these illegal juices.....

AND still using the Nystatin with sugar.... then you weren't really doing intro.

I think you've probably figured that out by now.

I think THE most crucial decision you have to make right now is about the

Nystatin. If you're really going to go ahead and do " intro proper " , this is

going to spoil the whole effort. I would stop using it, if you can't use the

plain. I think if you don't, you might as well not try to tackle the intro diet.

Of course, I do think your son would be better off eating all legal SCD foods

than simply going back to all the grains and sugars from before.... but, you

just need to know that this one thing WILL undermine everything. I don't want to

see you go to all this hard work for naught.

I'm really not sure where you got the idea that those juices were even legal

AFTER intro. Did someone tell you they were legal? Well... anyway... I think

you're straight on the juices now. There is a legal organic grape juice... the

Kedem kosher brand. I didn't see that one mentioned. I don't know if they have a

white grape version.

So... what to do now? The true " SCD Intro " diet is very specifically laid out

in the book.... and all kinds of variation from that is not really intro.

But, does one really have to do intro? Basically, you will get the best shot at

success on the diet if you do it. The book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle says:

" At the beginning of the program, when symptoms such as diarrhea and cramping

are severe, the following basic diet should be followed for about five days. In

other cases, one or two days on this basic diet is sufficient. "

If your child won't eat the intro chicken soup, then there are some *small*

variations on intro that are listed on the www.pecanbread.com site under " Food

Preparation " .... scroll down to " ASD Intro Diet " . Of course, you'll just leave

out the egg ideas. If there is not some combination of those foods that you

think you can stick with for him for just a few days, then you might need to

just move forward.... stick with all legal foods, at the beginning stages (see

chart under " Food Preparation " section of the website).... all peeled and

cooked.

SIMPLIFY everything as much as you can by pulling out the supplements that I

suggested in the other e-mail.... just for now. I would not try to re-intro his

supps until you get the diarrhea stopped.... then do them ONE at a TIME, so

you know he's tolerating them.

Broil, or boil, bake or slow-cook instead of frying his meat for now.....

because that will make it easier to digest. That's what you're going for right

now. You can use the garlic if you must.... but I would suggest roasted garlic,

mushed up and mixed in or spread over.

must go for now...

Patti

[Guest guest]

<<Is the " Pure " line ok from the Lakewood Organics juices? I thought I

had read somewhere that they were....>>

No, they're not. If you can remember where you read that, I'd like to know....

so I can let them know they're giving out incorrect info.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<< Thanks so much!!!!! I just checked out the RW Knudsen website and

> looked at the " Just Juice " line. It seems that the Blueberry,

> Cranberry, and Tart Cherry are all made from concentrate

though...are

> they still legal??? The others, like the Grape, were not.>>

The only types of juices for the intro diet are grape juice or apple

cider. They can be commercial or homemade and should be diluted: at

least half of it should be water.

Even though some of the Knudsen's Just juice are made from

concentrate they are okay. Elaine discussed it with the Knudsen

company. *But* none of the other Knudsen juices are SCD legal.

Here's a list of legal commercial juices:

-Tropicana Pure premium OJ

-Dole pineapple juice

-Heinz and 's Tomato juice

-The Knudsen's *Just Juice* line (not the rest of their products):

Just Black Cherry

Just Blueberry

Just Cranberry

Just Pomegranate

Organic Just Concord Grape

Organic Just Tart Cherry

-Kedeem grape juice

-Welch's 100% Grape juice (Red, Purple and white)

<< Is the " Pure " line ok from the Lakewood Organics juices?>>

No.

<< Hmmm, no frying? I could try broiling I guess w/out the sunflower

> oil. He does LOVE the garlic, so any insight there would be

great.>>

The garlic has antimicrobial properties (which may increase die off)

and is fibrous and is a more advanced food. Depending on his stools

he may not be digesting it all. If you can do the intro for two days

without it all the better. But, if the only way he will eat for

those two days is to have garlic than use it - it is more important

to get started on the diet.

<<...for the intro?... And only two days, not

> five???? Why have I seen five days? WHat's the difference, and

what should I do? >>

The intro should be done for 2-5 days. 4-5 days for diarrhea and 2-3

days for everything else. If he is only having 1-2 bowel movements

per day than 2 days on the intro should be fine.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22ys

mom of Em and Dan