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Yes, just use other fruits that you like for the smoothies. Vitamixers work

great. You'll be able to make scd legal frozen yogurt and all kinds of

other great stuff in it. I'm not sure where to buy bulk nuts. What about

Whole Food Market or even Sam's or Cosco? I am not sure if that fruit snack

from Target is legal. I hope someone else can answer that one. I'm a bit

suspicious of it though.

Meleah

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>>

>> >

>> > Hi

>> >

>> > I am new to this support group. I was diagnosed with Small Intestine

>> > Bacteria Overgrowth in Feb. 2006 with the 3 hour Hydrogen Breath

>> > Test. I have both C and D, but mostly pain and bloating in my

>> > stomach. I have been on Neomycin 3 times since Feb., each time

>> > getting better, but then my symptoms returning after about 2 weeks

>> > being off the antibiotic. Anyway to make a long story short, I am

>> > looking to start SCDiet and have ordered the book, along with yogurt

>> > maker and yogurt cheese maker, almond flour, and cookbooks. Since I

>> > haven't yet read the book, I am going off what I have learned on the

>> > website. I have a few questions, and perhaps these will be answered

>> > in the book, but in the meantime I was hoping this group could be of

>> > some help.

>> >

>> > 1.) I made the chicken broth...when I added the carrot puree back

>> > in my soup turned orange..is this what it is suppose to look like?

>> > Also what do you do with all the boil chicken? What type of recipes

>> > do you use it in?

>> >

>> > 2.) Do I have to dilute my orange juice also for the diet intro and

>> > long term for both grape and orange juice?

>> >

>> > 3.) I am looking to make my own balsamic vinegar, recipe says to use

>> > grape wine. I looked in grocery store and found this on bottom shelf

>> > of wine, but doesn't show ingredients...any suggestions as to which

>> > one I should use, or what you use for salad dressing during this

>> diet?

>> >

>> > 4.) I am afraid that I won't like the homemade yogurt? What kinds of

>> > things do you do to make it taste better in it's natural state?

>> >

>> > 5.) Intro diet says to make own jello. I purchased the gelatin and

>> > have the grape juice. How do I make this? Are there any other juices

>> > I can use to make homemade jello?

>> >

>> > I think that is all for now.

>> >

>> > TIA,

>> > Diane

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Welcome....

You said:

<<Since I haven't yet read the book, I am going off what I have learned on the

website.>>

Until your book arrives, you can go read the first couple of chapters online at

Amazon.

<<1.) I made the chicken broth...when I added the carrot puree back

in my soup turned orange..is this what it is suppose to look like?>>

Yes... pureed carrots are pretty orange, so yes, your soup will be that color.

<<Also what do you do with all the boil chicken?>>

Just eat it, along with the soup for now. You can't really get into many of the

other recipes until later... but I suppose if you just have way more than you

can eat at the moment, you could freeze some of the cooked chicken and use it

later in another dish.

<<2.) Do I have to dilute my orange juice also for the diet intro and

long term for both grape and orange juice?>>

All juice should be diluted.

<<3.) I am looking to make my own balsamic vinegar, recipe says to use

grape wine. I looked in grocery store and found this on bottom shelf

of wine, but doesn't show ingredients>>

Sorry, I have never made my own balsamic vinegar. You won't need to worry about

salad dressings right now, as all of your veggies need to be cooked for a while.

Raw foods and salads will come later. By then, you can explore some of the

dressing recipes and figure things out.

<<4.) I am afraid that I won't like the homemade yogurt? What kinds of

things do you do to make it taste better in it's natural state?>>

Vanilla and honey.... mashed ripe banana... cooked, pureed peaches.

<<Are there any other juices

I can use to make homemade jello?>>

You can use any other juice to make jello.... but the grape is the only one

allowed for the intro diet.

Patti

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hmm ... what kind of processing would make these illegal? I was just

curious as I am new to this and haven't heard all the downfalls about

commercial applesauce and what makes that illegal.

Thanks

Diane

> <<I found a fruit strip at Target that I love and helps my

> sweet cravings. I assume it is SCD legal? It is by Archer Farms

> ( Targets own name brand ) ...ingredients are Organic Apples, Organic

> Apricots ( or Raspberries) and Organic Lemon Juice. I love them and

> great snack for me.>>

>

> NO.... this is not legal. Sorry! You cannot know exactly how these

> are made and processed. They're illegal for the same reason

> commercial applesauce is illegal... even if the label says " only

> apples " .

>

> Patti

>

>

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Diane,

I can't remember if it was you that has not read the book yet? It's really

essential that you do. It will explain all of this.

We cannot use commecial applesauce... or commercial apple juice.

You could make your OWN fruit leather... that would be fine.

Patti

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hmm ... what kind of processing would make these illegal? I was just

curious as I am new to this and haven't heard all the downfalls about

commercial applesauce and what makes that illegal.

Thanks

Diane

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I thought I would just put a word in about the final comment made by Patty

about using any other juice since there have been a million questions about

the legality of juice lately. When Patty says you can use any other juice,

but only grape juice is allowed on the intro diet, she means any scd legal

juice. Those would be pretty much anything that you juice yourself at home,

apple cider only(not apple juice of any kind), Tropica orange

juice-original, Welch's 100% grape juice, and a couple of others. She

didn't mean just any other juice that you might pick up at the store.

Meleah

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> Welcome....

>

> You said:

>

> <<Since I haven't yet read the book, I am going off what I have learned on

> the

> website.>>

>

> Until your book arrives, you can go read the first couple of chapters

> online at Amazon.

>

> <<1.) I made the chicken broth...when I added the carrot puree back

> in my soup turned orange..is this what it is suppose to look like?>>

>

> Yes... pureed carrots are pretty orange, so yes, your soup will be that

> color.

>

> <<Also what do you do with all the boil chicken?>>

>

> Just eat it, along with the soup for now. You can't really get into many

> of the other recipes until later... but I suppose if you just have way

> more than you can eat at the moment, you could freeze some of the cooked

> chicken and use it later in another dish.

>

> <<2.) Do I have to dilute my orange juice also for the diet intro and

> long term for both grape and orange juice?>>

>

> All juice should be diluted.

>

>

> <<3.) I am looking to make my own balsamic vinegar, recipe says to use

> grape wine. I looked in grocery store and found this on bottom shelf

> of wine, but doesn't show ingredients>>

>

> Sorry, I have never made my own balsamic vinegar. You won't need to worry

> about salad dressings right now, as all of your veggies need to be cooked

> for a while. Raw foods and salads will come later. By then, you can

> explore some of the dressing recipes and figure things out.

>

> <<4.) I am afraid that I won't like the homemade yogurt? What kinds of

> things do you do to make it taste better in it's natural state?>>

>

> Vanilla and honey.... mashed ripe banana... cooked, pureed peaches.

>

>

> <<Are there any other juices

> I can use to make homemade jello?>>

> You can use any other juice to make jello.... but the grape is the only

> one allowed for the intro diet.

>

>

> Patti

>

>

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Thanks for clarifying that, Meleah.... I should have caught that, but I think

I'm getting a little rummy from too much online time. :)

Thank you so much for stepping up and answering some basic questions, even

though you are new. I really appreciate it.

And the rest of you... don't be afraid to chime in. This list is supposed to be

a forum, where everyone participates, so feel free to do so.

We will soon be needing some new alternate moderators so the few who are doing

it now don't entirely burn out. I'm only here temporarily myself.

Patti

Re: Re:new and questions

I thought I would just put a word in about the final comment made by Patty

about using any other juice since there have been a million questions about

the legality of juice lately. When Patty says you can use any other juice,

but only grape juice is allowed on the intro diet, she means any scd legal

juice. Those would be pretty much anything that you juice yourself at home,

apple cider only(not apple juice of any kind), Tropica orange

juice-original, Welch's 100% grape juice, and a couple of others. She

didn't mean just any other juice that you might pick up at the store.

Meleah

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Thanks Patti for all your help. I ordered the books through

Amazon.com, but I don't understand why they take so long to ship them

when they are in stock. I ordered the yogurt cheese maker from them 3

days later and received that today, but all my books say not shipping

until end of next week. I am in a lot of pain and have a lot of

bloating, so that is my only reason for wanting to get started now

versus later. I plan on reading the book several times. I will learn

as I go...

So far I love the soup, and I have the appliances and ability to make

my own fruit strips, so will look in to that. Can't be too hard, as

I recall getting something with my dehydrater that specifically does

this, and I assume the use of my vitamixer will make this an easy

accomplishment.

Again thanks for your help.

Diane

> Diane,

>

> I can't remember if it was you that has not read the book yet? It's

> really essential that you do. It will explain all of this.

>

> We cannot use commecial applesauce... or commercial apple juice.

>

> You could make your OWN fruit leather... that would be fine.

>

> Patti

>

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> Diane,

>

> I can't remember if it was you that has not read the book yet? It's really

essential that

you do. It will explain all of this.

>

> We cannot use commecial applesauce... or commercial apple juice.

>

> You could make your OWN fruit leather... that would be fine.

>

FRUIT LEATHER

from ZOOM, PBS Kids

1 cup chopped fruit, like strawberries, blueberries or raspberries

2 TBL honey

cookie sheet with a lip

plastic wrap

blender

spoon or plastic spatula

1.Preheat the oven to 140 degrees or lower.

2. Then, take the plastic wrap and cover the top of the cookie sheet.

3. Put the chopped fruit and two tablespoons honey in the blender. Make sure

that the top

is secure on the blender.

4. Blend for ten seconds or until it's smooth.

5. Pour the fruit onto the cookie sheet and smooth it out with a spoon or

spatula. Make

sure that you spread it evenly.

6. Put the tray in the oven and cook for three hours or until the fruit is dry.

7. Remember that it takes a long time for the fruit to cook in the oven. It

won't save time if

you turn up the heat. You'll just burn the fruit.

8. Once the fruit is dry, take it out of the oven and set it aside to cool.

9. When it is cool, just roll it up and it's ready to eat.

Carol F.

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> >Diane,

I have done several different fruit leathers using the food dehydrator

and they have all turned out great. I even made a pumpkin pie fruit

rollup using butternut squash!! But if my son asks, it is just made

from 'pumpkin pie' wink, wink. I use them for school snacks and on the

go food.

Mandy

> > Diane,

> >

> > I can't remember if it was you that has not read the book yet?

It's really essential that

> you do. It will explain all of this.

> >

> > We cannot use commecial applesauce... or commercial apple juice.

> >

> > You could make your OWN fruit leather... that would be fine.

> >

> FRUIT LEATHER

> from ZOOM, PBS Kids

>

> 1 cup chopped fruit, like strawberries, blueberries or raspberries

> 2 TBL honey

>

> cookie sheet with a lip

> plastic wrap

> blender

> spoon or plastic spatula

>

> 1.Preheat the oven to 140 degrees or lower.

> 2. Then, take the plastic wrap and cover the top of the cookie sheet.

> 3. Put the chopped fruit and two tablespoons honey in the blender.

Make sure that the top

> is secure on the blender.

> 4. Blend for ten seconds or until it's smooth.

> 5. Pour the fruit onto the cookie sheet and smooth it out with a

spoon or spatula. Make

> sure that you spread it evenly.

> 6. Put the tray in the oven and cook for three hours or until the

fruit is dry.

> 7. Remember that it takes a long time for the fruit to cook in the

oven. It won't save time if

> you turn up the heat. You'll just burn the fruit.

> 8. Once the fruit is dry, take it out of the oven and set it aside

to cool.

> 9. When it is cool, just roll it up and it's ready to eat.

>

>

> Carol F.

>

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Hi ,

I can't answer all of your questions, but I can help with a few. If your

son tested a 2/3 out of 4 on the allergy test for pears, I would avoid them.

My son tested a 2 for eggs, and we are avoiding eggs for a year. The

allergist said that he is young enough to outgrow the egg allergy if we

avoid them for a while. That doesn't mean that he will, but he has a very

good chance. I would definitely stay away from the pears. Yes, the more

coarsely ground almonds could've caused the behavioral reactions that you

saw. I personally cannot recommend a grinder, but I buy almond flour from

Digestive Wellness

www.digestivewellness.com

You might want to try using a nut butter first. You can use 1 Tbsp. oil

with 1 cup nuts, and grind into butter consistency, or just buy scd legal

almond, cashew, peanut, ect. butter. You should be able to get that at your

local health food store. Also, the bumpy " rash " could certainly be die off

of bad bacteria. It could just be their bodies way of releasing the bad

stuff. I hope this is helpful. I'm glad to hear that your son had such a

quick and positive response to the diet. Oh, I wouldn't worry about the cod

liver oil and multivitamin giving too much A or D. Our dan pediatrician has

us using both. Kirkman has a good scd multivitamin, and they also have cod

liver and fish oils.

Meleah scd 05/06

iel 3yrs., asd, Ethan 5yrs., Mark 1yr.

new and questions

> Hi!

>

> I am new to the forum. I have a son with ADHD. We have been on GFCF

> partially since Jan 06 and completely (eliminating gf oats and

> butter) since July 06. The entire family has been on SCD one week.

>

> The book mainly talks about diarhea/constipation. I would like to

> hear other's experiences starting the diet.

>

> I guess I wonder if what we have experienced is typical. My son's

> behavior and attitude were better from day 1 on the diet! Is that

> normal? My son became calmer, more focused, easier and pleasanter to

> be with. He started to empathize with others more and show more

> affection than ever before too. We were amazed and astounded! We

> haven't seen any die-off. Is that a bad sign? Can I expect this to

> surface later? Our diet before had no sugar or honey and limited

> fruits, however, it did contain brown rice, millet and quinoa. My son

> found this diet then to be more interesting in many ways than our

> diet was before - he can eat several bananas in one day and honey and

> jello and diluted fruit juice too!

>

> Yesterday I introduced muffins made with almonds as well as tried

> cooked pears. (OK - I broke the rule of just trying one new thing at

> a time - lesson learned!) I think one of these things bothered him

> because he woke up this morning very argumentative and sad. It was a

> most difficult morning. I wasn't able to grind the almonds up as much

> as the recipe called for. Could the larger bits of almonds have

> caused a reaction? My food processor just isn't able to do it well

> enough. Can anyone recommend a good grinder?

>

> My son has had a skin test for pear and it was between a 2-3 on a

> scale of 1-4. 4 being biggest reaction. I wonder then if there is a

> big chance that he will never be able to eat pear?

>

> I see that HN-Zyme Prime is on the allowable list of supplements but

> it has rice bran in it which is not allowed. I am wondering if

> someone could explain this discrepency and advise me on this. I am

> having difficulty finding the right supplements. For example- I want

> codliver oil with the natural a and d but I want a multivitamin too

> and then that gives too much A and D. Plus the same thing with

> calcium. Can anyone advise a good solution for this?

>

> Both my son (5.5 yr) and daughter (16 months) now have rough and

> bumpy skin on legs. This is new after starting the diet I think. Is

> that a normal regression or reaction?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

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Thank you so much for your warm and helpful responses!

I too had a terrible day after eating the muffin yesterday and

unfortunately today. Head felt spacy and woozy. Awful to feel this way -

just waiting to be able to go to bed. The worst is when my son is

obviously feeling similarly and thus acting badly. It was a long and

tiring day. Back to before we started the diet - arguing and picky

about everything. Luckily, some of our progress remains unharmed by the

nut/pear mistake: still has some empathy and not being

aggressive/hurting others. So that is good!

Both of us had some D today where we hadn't previously. Also noticed in

the past week that my son and I while pre-SCD had very large BM's now

have much smaller sized. My son's were actually quite huge - looked

like must be a man's. Never thought too much about it before starting

on SCD. Now am " getting it " .

I am concerned about my 16 month old daugher. She has a distended tummy

(like my son), is very tippy when she walks, is frequently sick, has

freqent small pimples/red patches on her face, especially around her

mouth, and when she poops they have lots of chunks of undigested food.

She doesn't really like mushed up foods but I think after reading BTVC

I feel that I should mash her foods since she obviously can't chew it

well enough for her gut to deal with?

Thanks again for the help! I know I will have many questions!

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Welcome ,

> I guess I wonder if what we have experienced is typical. My son's

> behavior and attitude were better from day 1 on the diet! Is that

> normal? My son became calmer, more focused, easier and pleasanter

to

> be with. He started to empathize with others more and show more

> affection than ever before too. We were amazed and astounded! We

> haven't seen any die-off.

Some people do see progress right from the beginning - Congrats! :)

> Is that a bad sign? Can I expect this to

> surface later?

You may see some die off later or it may be so slight you may not

even notice it; there is no way to know which it will be.

> Yesterday I introduced muffins made with almonds as well as tried

> cooked pears. (OK - I broke the rule of just trying one new thing

at

> a time - lesson learned!)

How many muffins did you start with? Starting with a small amount

(about 1/4 of a muffin) is best because if it isn't tolerated you

aren't setback as much.

I think one of these things bothered him

> because he woke up this morning very argumentative and sad. It was

a

> most difficult morning. I wasn't able to grind the almonds up as

much

> as the recipe called for. Could the larger bits of almonds have

> caused a reaction? My food processor just isn't able to do it well

> enough. Can anyone recommend a good grinder?

It may have been the coarser pieces of nut flour or it may have been

the nuts themselves, he just may not be ready for them. If you plan

to try the nut muffins again I'd suggest waiting until he is doing

well again and then only start with a small amount of nut muffin the

first day. (And only do one thing that day so you can accurately

guage his response.)

> My son has had a skin test for pear and it was between a 2-3 on a

> scale of 1-4. 4 being biggest reaction. I wonder then if there is

a

> big chance that he will never be able to eat pear?

Was that the first time he has had pears?

> I see that HN-Zyme Prime is on the allowable list of supplements

but

> it has rice bran in it which is not allowed. I am wondering if

> someone could explain this discrepency and advise me on this. I am

> having difficulty finding the right supplements.

It is actually rice bran *oil*; since it is an oil there is no

problem with SCD legality.

> For example- I want

> codliver oil with the natural a and d but I want a multivitamin

too

> and then that gives too much A and D. Plus the same thing with

> calcium. Can anyone advise a good solution for this?

Some legal supplements at http://pecanbread.com/supplements.html

A legal multi at http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/freedavitamins.html

> Both my son (5.5 yr) and daughter (16 months) now have rough and

> bumpy skin on legs. This is new after starting the diet I think.

Is

> that a normal regression or reaction?

This may be from die off, you can try epsom salt baths to see if it

helps.

scroll down to the bottom of this link:

http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

mom of and

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