Re: dried coconut/coconut flour

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I want to make sure that I understand the seeds and coconut situation

properly. Coconut...except for homemade coconut milk, and seeds...like

sesame, fennel, mustard, ect...are not for beginners, those still having

problems, and such. Seeds are not to be used until three months after the

last symptom has subsided. Does this mean gi symptoms only, or neurological

symptoms as well? If the answer is that seeds shouldn't be used for gi or

neuro issues, then I'd say most anyone with an asd diagnosis shouldn't be

using seeds until they have a total recovery. What about a " flare up " ?

What if you've been symptom free...whatever the requirement for that

is...and you see some symptoms again? Would you stay seed free for three

months after this occurance, or just go back to your previously diet

allowances once you've got things under control? Also, I definitely know

that seeds means the whole seeds. Does it also mean ground seeds? For

example, would ground fennel, ground mustard powder, tahini pate, and so

forth be allowed only after three months of being symptom free, or could

these forms be used sooner? If sooner, how soon? I know that no one likes

to give a time frame on things...and I'm fine with that...but can I at least

get some idea of what " sooner " would be if it is acceptable?

Meleah scd 05/06

iel 3.5yrs. asd, Ethan 5yrs., Mark 18mths., both nt

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> Hi Jen, It was actually Bubble's Cakes, our other daughter. Kiki's cake

> is made of strawberries.

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> Make sure that the coconut is processed very well when making your flour.

> It will make it easier to digest. If not turned into dust, coconut is an

> advanced food that should not be eaten until you have significantly

> healed. So be weary. Kiki can't even eat her own cake right now.

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Meleah,

Many of these questions are not easy to answer. In many ways, there are just no

absolutes. Everyone is different.

You asked:

<<I want to make sure that I understand the seeds and coconut situation

properly. Coconut...except for homemade coconut milk, and seeds...like

sesame, fennel, mustard, ect...are not for beginners, those still having

problems, and such.>>

Actually, coconut is not grouped in with seeds necessarily. It is not for

beginners, because it is highly fibrous. So, it's not a good flour substitute

for new SCDers.

By " seeds " , I think Elaine was talking more about things like pumpkin seeds,

sunflower seeds, sesame seeds.

<<Seeds are not to be used until three months after the

last symptom has subsided. Does this mean gi symptoms only, or neurological

symptoms as well?>>

Well...... certainly three months after the last of any GI symptoms. Beyond

that, one would probably need to reassess.... take into consideration what the

neuro symptoms actually are.... and move forward with caution. At any rate,

Elaine intended that people use cautious common sense with seeds, and not eat

large quantities of them.

<<If the answer is that seeds shouldn't be used for gi or

neuro issues, then I'd say most anyone with an asd diagnosis shouldn't be

using seeds until they have a total recovery. >>

Keep in mind that the main objection to seeds is the digestibility. They are

tough and fibrous, generally.

<<What about a " flare up " ?

What if you've been symptom free...whatever the requirement for that

is...and you see some symptoms again? Would you stay seed free for three

months after this occurance, or just go back to your previously diet

allowances once you've got things under control?>>

Again, you just have to use common sense and analyze the individual situation.

Yes, I would say that if you've added in a new things, such as sunflower seeds,

and then you have a flare-up, then whether or not you think the sunflower seeds

caused the problem, you'd want to pull them and go back to whatever you were

doing when everything was going more smoothly.

<<Also, I definitely know

that seeds means the whole seeds. Does it also mean ground seeds? For

example, would ground fennel, ground mustard powder, tahini pate, and so

forth be allowed only after three months of being symptom free, or could

these forms be used sooner? If sooner, how soon?>>

OKAY..... take a deep breath here....

Seeds like mustard seed, fennel or cumin seed, etc., that have been ground into

powder, are really classified as a " spice " .... not as a seed. They're used for

seasoning. In this form, they can be used much earlier.

Something like WHOLE fennel seed, even if used just as a seasoning in sausage

or something, could be a problem. Do you see what I mean?

Tahini is basically similar to a nut butter, but is made from ground sesame

seeds. I think this would come later, not for brand new beginners..... but if

you compare raw sesame tahini to something like whole sesame seeds, or whole

pumpkin seeds, which one do you think would be more easily digested? Common

sense would probably dictate the tahini as coming before the whole seeds...

although tahini does contain the seed hulls, it's obviously broken down a lot

more than whole seeds.... so would be easier to digest.

Sunflower seed butter (if you can find it... or make it), would come before

whole sunflower seeds..... but even ground into butter, you'd need to hold off

on this until GI symptoms weren't flaring up. So, I'd say wait three months

after GI stuff calms down.... then *cautiously* try seed butter (in a SMALL

amount), or tahini.... see how that goes and wait a bit before trying very

SMALL quantities of something like a handful of sunflower seeds spinkled over a

salad or something like that. You'd probably know right away whether or not your

body was ready to tolerate them.

You can go ahead and use ground, powdered single spices like mustard, fennel and

cumin now, or.... fairly soon after intro. Just not as WHOLE seeds.

Does this all make sense?

I'll defer to Sheila, Charlene, Carol or Mimi..... if I'm off base on anything,

I'll certainly agree with their take on it.

Patti

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Since Kali has started SCD over 17 months ago, she has been able to tolerate

some new foods and she isn't as sensitive since we killed off the yeast.

This is why I ask for the recipe. I know it is a more advanced food. I

consider us advanced enough. I make recipes with coconut milk, ice-cream

etc. Maybe some of you are jealous that we are healed enough and you can't

have the goodies yet.? Hang in there everyone while we have our cake & eat

it too! Jenn & K

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>

>

> Hi Jen, It was actually Bubble's Cakes, our other daughter. Kiki's cake

is made of strawberries.

>

> Make sure that the coconut is processed very well when making your

flour. It will make it easier to digest. If not turned into dust, coconut is

an advanced food that should not be eaten until you have significantly

healed. So be weary. Kiki can't even eat her own cake right now.

>

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Thanks. It makes sense for the most part. I'm trying to figure out when

exactly I will know what to give iel. I do use the mustard, cumin,

ect. in ground form for spices, but haven't yet tried to give him any other

seed foods. I had been thinking about trying humas on him, but wasn't sure

when would be a good time because of the tahini. We're six months out now,

and he's improved very much both gi and neuro wise. I wanted to be very

cautious, but not totally neurotic about when to give him more difficult

foods.

Meleah

Re: dried coconut/coconut flour

> Meleah,

>

> Many of these questions are not easy to answer. In many ways, there are

> just no absolutes. Everyone is different.

>

> You asked:

>

> <<I want to make sure that I understand the seeds and coconut situation

> properly. Coconut...except for homemade coconut milk, and seeds...like

> sesame, fennel, mustard, ect...are not for beginners, those still having

> problems, and such.>>

>

> Actually, coconut is not grouped in with seeds necessarily. It is not for

> beginners, because it is highly fibrous. So, it's not a good flour

> substitute for new SCDers.

>

> By " seeds " , I think Elaine was talking more about things like pumpkin

> seeds, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds.

>

> <<Seeds are not to be used until three months after the

> last symptom has subsided. Does this mean gi symptoms only, or

> neurological

> symptoms as well?>>

>

> Well...... certainly three months after the last of any GI symptoms.

> Beyond that, one would probably need to reassess.... take into

> consideration what the neuro symptoms actually are.... and move forward

> with caution. At any rate, Elaine intended that people use cautious common

> sense with seeds, and not eat large quantities of them.

>

> <<If the answer is that seeds shouldn't be used for gi or

> neuro issues, then I'd say most anyone with an asd diagnosis shouldn't be

> using seeds until they have a total recovery. >>

>

> Keep in mind that the main objection to seeds is the digestibility. They

> are tough and fibrous, generally.

>

>

> <<What about a " flare up " ?

> What if you've been symptom free...whatever the requirement for that

> is...and you see some symptoms again? Would you stay seed free for three

> months after this occurance, or just go back to your previously diet

> allowances once you've got things under control?>>

>

> Again, you just have to use common sense and analyze the individual

> situation. Yes, I would say that if you've added in a new things, such as

> sunflower seeds, and then you have a flare-up, then whether or not you

> think the sunflower seeds caused the problem, you'd want to pull them and

> go back to whatever you were doing when everything was going more

> smoothly.

>

> <<Also, I definitely know

> that seeds means the whole seeds. Does it also mean ground seeds? For

> example, would ground fennel, ground mustard powder, tahini pate, and so

> forth be allowed only after three months of being symptom free, or could

> these forms be used sooner? If sooner, how soon?>>

>

>

> OKAY..... take a deep breath here....

>

> Seeds like mustard seed, fennel or cumin seed, etc., that have been ground

> into powder, are really classified as a " spice " .... not as a seed.

> They're used for seasoning. In this form, they can be used much earlier.

>

> Something like WHOLE fennel seed, even if used just as a seasoning in

> sausage or something, could be a problem. Do you see what I mean?

>

> Tahini is basically similar to a nut butter, but is made from ground

> sesame seeds. I think this would come later, not for brand new

> beginners..... but if you compare raw sesame tahini to something like

> whole sesame seeds, or whole pumpkin seeds, which one do you think would

> be more easily digested? Common sense would probably dictate the tahini

> as coming before the whole seeds... although tahini does contain the seed

> hulls, it's obviously broken down a lot more than whole seeds.... so

> would be easier to digest.

>

> Sunflower seed butter (if you can find it... or make it), would come

> before whole sunflower seeds..... but even ground into butter, you'd need

> to hold off on this until GI symptoms weren't flaring up. So, I'd say wait

> three months after GI stuff calms down.... then *cautiously* try seed

> butter (in a SMALL amount), or tahini.... see how that goes and wait a

> bit before trying very SMALL quantities of something like a handful of

> sunflower seeds spinkled over a salad or something like that. You'd

> probably know right away whether or not your body was ready to tolerate

> them.

>

> You can go ahead and use ground, powdered single spices like mustard,

> fennel and cumin now, or.... fairly soon after intro. Just not as WHOLE

> seeds.

>

> Does this all make sense?

>

> I'll defer to Sheila, Charlene, Carol or Mimi..... if I'm off base on

> anything, I'll certainly agree with their take on it.

>

>

> Patti

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>