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Subject:[MGB-TRUTH] Here's a chair...pull up a seat...( REAL LONG)

Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:02:55 EDT

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There're many posts that I would like to respond to directly, but it

is too time consuming for those of us who have fulfilling lives, true

friends, and families outside of the internet. I said I would defer

final judgment of this " chaos " until I engaged in additional

researched that corroborated a position one way or the other. So, the

jury is still out.

, your list description states, this list is an " Open, adult

discussions, pro, con, good, bad, happy, sad, angry, pissed to the max

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REAL discussions about the Mini-Gastric Bypass (MGB) done by Dr.

Rutledge in Durham, North Carolina. " So, I am taking it a face

value.

You also responded in a previous post that we are adults, and am going

to treat you all as such without coddling.

SO, WARNING: THIS POST WILL NOT BE SENSITIVE OR POLITICALLY CORRECT.

DELETE NOW IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED.

Allow me to preface my this by telling you all that and I have

corresponded by email, and our previous exchanges have all been civil.

I hope our communication can remain as such. Throughout our

correspondence, I have noted that we have a few commonalties. (Fancy

that...a white supremacist and a black pseudo nationalist) LOL Our

ideologies, if discussed, would probably be parallel. I can and do

appreciate 's intelligence, as I am a member of Mensa, and

suspect she is probably a member as well. We both have great

disdain for idiots. She is a mean %^^$ (rhymes with itch), and am not

far behind. I am about as cold and calloused as they come. But, I am

very receptive to reason or plain old common sense. doesn't

celebrate Christmas, and my husband and I haven't celebrated Christmas

in a " traditional " sense since 1989. has ties to the militia.

Who cares...( I personally don't give a %^$# (rhymes with clam). There

are others on the list who feel the same way she does, but they are

cowardly and covert. They are the kind that smile in your face with a

forked tongue, while they insidiously sodomize you. I don't have to

guess where she is coming from...I KNOW...so I don't have to front.

Do yall remember Duke? Well, he was the state representative for

the district that I once lived in. We shared a favorite Croatian

restaurant...Drago's. Have you been there . It's in old Metairie,

LA.

Anyway, and I had a great relationship. We grinned in each

others faces, but we knew one thing...I don't like him, and he doesn't

like me. But, I could respect some things about him. So, I give you

all this seemingly extraneous information to lay some foundation to

demonstrate that I don't have a personal problem with , so don't

misinterpret my intentions.

Before I make decisions or judgments, I ponder, evaluate, analyze, and

process as much information as possible to gain some understanding.

But, I do have a few hindrances that are stalling my thought process.

I am not easily moved, but I do find these things highly problematic:

1. The misuse of Clinical studies. I am quite proficient at

comprehending,nalyzing, and interpreting data in this form. Many of

the studies that I have read ith in the past few days, are very

skewed. (The studies are predominantlyEuropean, the patient

populations are too small, the testing parameters are too loose, the

investigators in some cases are biased, there are very

few that appear in the more respectable journals, and the statistical

assessment is not available in many cases. No ANOVA, no nothing. This

is VERY important is the results are to be relied upon. If I don't

know the P value, how much confidence can I place on the results being

the same if the study were repeated again? zero for me...do you

quantitative types feel me?

2. your motives and intent are questionable. I know...I

know...you say you are " saving " people from mutilating

themselves...but I beg to differ and this is why. I have been on

several lists with you and I have noticed a pattern with you. You sing

praises, then you get mad...over and over. You were privy to all of

this information, as was I. You interviewed 95 people and Dr R took

your notes to Memphis to better explain his results. You helped

countless people obtain the MGB at no charge. (That's a big deal when

your #$$ (rhymes with glass) is BROKE). You constantly educated

yourself and even explained troubling matters to the confused. You

said you got caught up in the camaraderie and neglected to do deeper

investigation. ( Bull $% & & (rhymes with hit), . An

imbicile...maybe...but not a woman of your worldliness and

notoriety. You were informed. I am having problems accepting the fact

that a woman, with your span of influence, could be swayed by a bunch

of " Rutledge MOONIES " sitting around all day at the computer ...

holding hand and singing Kum Ba Ya.

You are/were a respected militia officianato. There is something

strange about that picture. That is analogous to Louis Farrakhan or

Khalid Muhammad getting caught up in a game of street basketball while

en route to the " Million Man March " . LOL NOT!!!!! It aint happening.

This is what I deduce. You went to Durham with some expectation of Dr

R that obviously was not met. He snubbed or did/didn't do something

you wanted. And now you are angry, embittered, vengeful, because of

it. Now, you have

a mission to embarrass, castigate, and humiliate, and publicly

castrate, and possibly destroy Dr R. So, you did some additional

research, and found some information about Barrett's esophagus...and

VOILA...you now have it.

Now, you are the self proclaimed martyr and savior of the

" walking dead " . Seem outlandish? It isn't. you have a pattern of

documented histrionic behavior.

I am not saying you are a sociopath, but I see somestrong

similarities.

Perhaps they are purely coincidental. But, you have staged coos

much larger than this. LLL, You had Janet Reno shaking in her shoes.

And, all of this is under the guise of helping you fellow compatriots.

You mention " MOONIES " a lot. But, you have had moonies of sorts.

So, you can easily recognize the syndrome. You get a bunch of

unsuspecting unsophisticated people, mix a little truth, with a whole

lot of double talk, and BAM...you have a following. Satan (father of

lies) did it, Castro did it, Hitler did it, and you did it . You

are no different. When information is distorted and presented as

truth...it * & & (rhymes with trucks) up your credibility. Now, what

does a judge do when he/she finds a witness not believable? He

disregards the whole testimony. You have erroneously mistaken

correlation for causation. That is faulty logic. It's like saying,

" God is love, love is blind, so God is Stevie Wonder. " ...NOT You can't

not correctly pull percentage out at random and extrapolate the number

of people who will be dead as a result of the MGB. I know you know

what you are doing...you are not dum by any stretch of imagination.

You use fear, intimidation, and ignorance to incite impulsivity. But,

I aint mad atcha, . So, don't be mad.

This is merely my interpretation of events.

So, my suspicion came because of your timing, you frequent

vacillation, the manner of your communications, and you mode of

operation. I am not saying you are wrong or entirely incorrect on some

things. But, any truth of your message is jaded, at best.

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