Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 > This confuses me a bit because it seems many people use enzymes for > infractions on the list & can account that it works. True? Some people are reporting good success with Alka Seltzer Gold and/or charcoal. I don't use those. I use enzymes from this url. http://www.houstonni.com/ They have allowed me to add back casein products with no reactions. They have allowed many other parents who choose to try them, to add back gluten with no reactions. My kids appear to be celiac so they are still gf. My kids react to basically all foods. There is no way they can live on just the foods they do tolerate. These enzymes help them digest most other of these reactive foods. My autistic son is now basically NT altho not yet age appropriate, and I am chelating him to help with his remaining issues. Here is his story, if you are interested. http://home.pacbell.net/cscomp/myson.htm I am very happy with these enzymes. But you can also look at the enzyme offerings of Kirkman Labs http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ You can use the enzymes for infractions, or to try to re-introduce gluten/casein, whichever you would prefer. I do use enzymes for gluten infractions for my kids, and so long as I only give a gluten infraction less than once per month, they tolerate the occasional infraction with enzymes without any difficulties at all. > > What do people use & if enzymes, what kind, how do you use them? I wouldn't > use them on a regular basis, but was thinking of having them in in case... Having them " in case " for infractions is a good idea. If your child has other food intolerance issues, you can give them with every meal to catch those other issues, if you choose. It depends on your child and your philosophy, whatever you believe is in the best interest of your child. I give enzymes to my kids with every meal, because they react to basically all foods without them. > > Also, if you use charcoal, how do you get that into them? For the enzymes, I open the capsules and mix it with honey, then spread it onto a rice cracker. All my kids eat enzymes this way, and they have no problems with it. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 >>> I'm a little confused on the enzymes. 's nutritionist says she doesn't believe enzymes should be used for infractions & that they don't work that way. She recommended Alka Seltzer Gold (which I won't use - he wouldn't drink it anyway) & charcoal. > > This confuses me a bit because it seems many people use enzymes for > infractions on the list & can account that it works. True? Your nutritionist is correct in that most enzymes will not help with the gluten/casein/soy peptide issue. However, there are newer enzyme products out that they may not be aware of. There is only a handful of enzyme products that are specifically formulated to break down the gluten/casein peptides. These products are working remarkably well for most people. I have used Peptizyde for 6 months now and it has been great. In fact, starting the in the 5th month, my older-who- reacts-to-everything-even-if-he-just-looks-at-it son has had several casein infractions without enzymes and showed no reaction at all. I take it to signal gut healing (or something is getting healed). We take one Peptizyde and one Zyme Prime at the beginning of each meal. If the enzymes are in a veggie capsule that you swallow, allow about 30 minutes before eating to ensure that the veggie capsule is completely dissolved. We also take 2 or 3 Peptizydes inbetween meals because proteases are known to have blood cleansing and detox properties. My younger son has bowel problems and this helps to keep his gut and constipation cleared out. However, you can also just take them with any food for general digestion, gut health and immune system support. From the 6 months on the enzyme board, parents have seen very noticeable improvements with their children whether they take enzymes on a restrictive diet or not, or any variation inbetween. > Also, if you use charcoal, how do you get that into them? I have not tried the charcoal but a mom recently posted that she did to assist with die-off and it seems to help a great deal. She said she mixed it in water which looked blackish but doesn't seem to have any taste. That is good to know. Dr. Houston commented that charcoal is a very good binder, including binding up peptides in the gut. So this may work for accidents as well, but maybe not if the food has digested for awhile. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 * I do not use any enzymes at all. My son has been GFCF (and I believe 100% for almost 18 months now) and rather than use enzymes I just totally avoid any possibility of a mishap. I send ALL snacks and food to school and each aide and teacher is well informed of his diet. I travel with food and have a GFCF safe kitchen. LJ is doing fantastic and I can't take the chance of cross contamination. in New York (LJs mom) * On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:06:16 EST mmklhughes@... writes: > I'm a little confused on the enzymes. > > Thanks again (from a confused newbie) > Michele > (, ASD, 7yrs, Logan 3.5) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 >>> Do you have any experience of Kirkman's Enzymaid? Do you know if this is one of the preparations that also works well? I have tried the original EnzymAid with my older son and myself. I did not find it nearly as effective. We would have needed to take at least a good 4 capsules or more to equal 1 Peptizyde. We are not using it just for contamination or trace unknowns. If we were I would think it would be effective. My older son and I also tried the new EnzymAid Complete from Kirkmans. We used it regularly at every meal and snack for 4 days. It was MUCH more effective than the EnzymAid, in my opinion. I used the recommended 1/4 teaspoon which is equal to 2 Peptizyde capsules. 1/8 teaspoon is the quantity of " stuff " that fits into the regular sized enzyme capsules. We ate regular gluten/casein as usual but did not overdo it. By the 4th day my son was wetting, which is a usual casein response for him. However, he was only slightly having a moody disposition. Not tantruming, not meltdowns or anything else which he used to display with casein. I also was feeling a mild migraine headache by the 3 and 4 day, but not the full-blown pain which I usually get right away with casein. So I think the EnzymAid Complete is effective for casein/gluten, but we would need to use a higher dose, such as 3 capsules worth or perhaps 2 capsules of Complete and one of the DPP IV Forte Analog. Remember that because the Complete has a full array of enzymes, that you are also getting enzymes for all other foods, not just the casein/gluten. In that respect, the 1/4 teaspoon of Complete would be roughly the same quantity and mix as one Peptizyde and one Zyme Prime from Houstons....or SerenAid plus Vital Zyme Forte from Klaire Labs. But if you would like to use a Kirkman product, I like the EnzymAid Complete the best..definitely, and would recommend that one over the regular EnzymAid. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Hi , I have attached a file I received from on the enzymesandautism.com board it's another e.group like the gfcfdiet.com group that deals mainly with enzymes. In the file there is information about one brand of enzymes and a link to their website and information about joining the group. I strongly recommend joining the group if you want to learn more about enzymes. I am just starting down this road myself. If for some reason you are unable to open this file, let me know and I will copy the text to the body of a letter and resend it. I know sometimes I can't open certain attachments from my computer. Take Care, Tana Hi I need help and guidance! My son is 15 and I tried gfcf diet last year w/no success. I am a awful cook and not very creative. He is picky and when I tried new recipes he hated them and would cheat on his own. Ive thought of trying enzymes but have no idea what to try! Im very ignorent and very burnt out. Ive been at this for 9 years. Seen many doctors and tried many meds etc... Any suggestions on how to try food plan again as well as what enzymes to buy????? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 I tried SerenAid and the GFCF diet for all three of my gfcf kids (only one of whom has autism) for several months when SerenAid first came on the market. (Was that one year ago, or two?) I saw improvments, but nothing spectacular enough to continue that kind of expense for every food ingested for three kids. I am expecting to try another trial for at least the one with autism, who has a problem with fats, too. The new generation of digestive enzymes is more complete and doesn't stop at just helping digest proteins. As for the expense, well medical professionals get a whopping discount, so if you have relatives or close friends in the field, who want to help you, you might suggest a very nice present they could give you.... Lorilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 i found it and printed it off. the address in the email post did not copy all on one line. So go back and look at your post and fix it and then try it again. Tina W. enzymes I was looking for some enzimes information on the web and found this at the cff site http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac <http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac> ement.pdf they say that enzymes work for 1 hour after u take it. they give a list of foods that don't need enzimes and others very simple information. love val mum to torin w/cf 1yo and can almost walk...new record of 8 steps today ------------------------------------------- The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY be construed as medical advice. PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 I just went there & there was posted sign . THE PAGE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR COULD NOT BE FOUND. SO, Maybe they are working on it . ??? Thanks LOVE & hugs, grandmoMBEV enzymes I was looking for some enzimes information on the web and found this at the cff site http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac ement.pdf they say that enzymes work for 1 hour after u take it. they give a list of foods that don't need enzimes and others very simple information. love val mum to torin w/cf 1yo and can almost walk...new record of 8 steps today ------------------------------------------- The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY be construed as medical advice. PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Ok. Thanks L & H GRDMB enzymes I was looking for some enzimes information on the web and found this at the cff site http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac <http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac> ement.pdf they say that enzymes work for 1 hour after u take it. they give a list of foods that don't need enzimes and others very simple information. love val mum to torin w/cf 1yo and can almost walk...new record of 8 steps today ------------------------------------------- The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY be construed as medical advice. PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Same here, Bev; that is what I got, too, n enzymes I was looking for some enzimes information on the web and found this at the cff site http://www.cff.org/publications/files/NutritionPancreaticEnzymeReplac ement.pdf they say that enzymes work for 1 hour after u take it. they give a list of foods that don't need enzimes and others very simple information. love val mum to torin w/cf 1yo and can almost walk...new record of 8 steps today ------------------------------------------- The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY be construed as medical advice. PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Adam - Creon is Pancrelipase which contains the enzymes needed for the digestion of proteins, starches, and fats. Cecilia Mesa, AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Where do you buy the enyzmes and which one do you take? What has your experiences been with them? I am doing great on SCD, but sometimes I don't tolerate beef and pork. Would enyzmes help? Thanks Sue SCD 9 mths, CC 25 yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Use Houston's legal enzymes.... just open the capsules into a small amount of applesauce, pear sauce, something like that. They can also be mixed into juice. Patti enzymes any favourites? I used to use Houston Enzymes (chewables) since my son cannot swallow pill. They are not legal (fructose) in the chewables. Thanks, Tumpa Reinhardt To the world you may be one person, to one person you are the world~Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 > Enzymes > > > Hi All, > I read that enzymes are good to give for gut problems. A lady from > another group suggested 'Primal defense' and it sounds great. However, > it does have iron in it and I thought we couldnt use iron .. PLease > advise > > Thanks > Neiza Nunez > Hi, As Patti said, the Primal Defense probiotic is not legal by btvc terms. But more importantly (I think), is that it IS NOT a digestive enzyme. So either the woman who gave you the suggestion was mistaken or there was a communication wire crossed someplace else. " Sounds great " comes from this person's experience? Or your own research? I think there was a thread here recently going over types of appropriate btvc probiotic strains if you need more info on those. As far as enzymes go, btvc does not require them. But some families find them useful (as we do). My son has used the Housten Nutraceutical enzymes since Oct/2004 and has done very well with them. We were not scd at the time (but gfcfsfcfyf etc etc ad nauseum, lol, for 9 months prior so perhaps that is why he adapted so well). I continued enz with our scd template and consider them an integral part of my son's profile. hth. -christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 teena, Enzymes should never be used to help digest an illegal. It is simply used to help aide digestion. Some find them very helpful and others don't use them at all. It is a personal choice. I do use them and I don't do well when I don't. Again a personal choice. www.pecanbread.com under supplements has a list of legal ones. Charlene <>< > >i've been all over Pecanbread this morning, and I still don't know >exactly what you might use enzymes for. Is it to counteract the affects >of an illegal, or something you would give regularly to aid digestion? >Help! >Teena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Does anyone know whether the enzymes can make BM's worse? My son's BM's have gotten more diareah like since I have beenusing them...? Thanks --- J FLIKKEMA wrote: > teena, > > Enzymes should never be used to help digest an > illegal. It is simply used to > help aide digestion. Some find them very helpful and > others don't use them > at all. It is a personal choice. I do use them and I > don't do well when I > don't. Again a personal choice. > > www.pecanbread.com under supplements has a list of > legal ones. > > Charlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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