Re: marketanarchist about weight...

May 9, 2005

Oh dear god,

where do you get all this stuff from? I am not suggesting it is not

right at all. I am amazed at your knowledge of what and how much we

need.

I am too trying to build myself up a little as I am tiny and I hope

the full year till surgery will be enough. In the last 3 months I

have been trying to keep my meagre weight AND I am drinking a

protein shake already.

I have no idea where all the food I consume goes.

According to your calculations my required calorie intake per day

(for not losing or gaining anything) would be 1250 calories. I find

that far too little. I am sure I eat twice as much and in the past 3

months no sign of weight gain at all.

Well, I am now taking up excercise again, hope that will help.

Thanks for all the info.

Karola

> > Hello everyone my name is and I am having upper lower and

> > chin.(I keep forgetting the terms but my lower will be moved up

and

> > back I have a open bite and my face is long). I just had a

couple

> of

> > questions to ask everyone. My surgery is May 25th. I am really

> > excited about everything. My first question is weight loss, I

will

> > be wired for six weeks and would like to know about weight loss.

> > second, is there extra skin on the neck after surgery since it is

> > moved up and back, and Last can anyone give me a list or a

website

> to

> > go to that shows what I need to have to prepare myself for after

the

> > surgery before and after thank you for all your help

May 9, 2005

Yes Zac, I'm amazed by how much knowledge you have on the subject of

weight too although I guess it's to be expected from an athlete:-) I

too am confused about your calculations regarding the number of

calories one needs to eat to not lose or gain weight. Based on what

you said I should be consuming about 1500 calories a day to not gain.

Doesn't it really depend on the actual nutritional value of food you

are eating rather than the calories per se? For example, I could have

5 ice creams a day and reach the 1500 without a problem but I doubt

that this counts as 'healthy' food right? Also, I think these sort of

calculations really are more applicable to someone who is actively

exercising every day. I might be totally wrong and if so sorry! But,

contrary to you I very much doubt that many of us will be able to hit

the gym as soon as you did. Luckily for us, we aren't under as much

pressure as you to do this given your athletic commitments.

Sara

> > > Hello everyone my name is and I am having upper lower and

> > > chin.(I keep forgetting the terms but my lower will be moved up

> and

> > > back I have a open bite and my face is long). I just had a

> couple

> > of

> > > questions to ask everyone. My surgery is May 25th. I am really

> > > excited about everything. My first question is weight loss, I

> will

> > > be wired for six weeks and would like to know about weight loss.

> > > second, is there extra skin on the neck after surgery since it

is

> > > moved up and back, and Last can anyone give me a list or a

> website

> > to

> > > go to that shows what I need to have to prepare myself for

after

> the

> > > surgery before and after thank you for all your help

May 9, 2005

As an athlete all this is very important stuff to know, plus a few

courses in nutrition and a nice big college nutrition handbook help.

If your bodyweight * 12 calories = 1250 this means you weigh only

about 104 lbs. Of course this is only an estimate and works best for

people who weigh at least 120 lbs and less than 250 lbs (another

arbitrary estimate). Since your metabolic rate is determined by many

factors other than your bodyweight (activity level, insulin

sensitivity, and others) the best estimate will be your own

experience: if in the past you have eaten about 2000 calories a day

for extended periods of time and neither gained nor lost weight, that

is your metabolic rate.

At any rate, bodyweight * 10 to 14 calories is typically going to

cover you. At 104 lbs you would have the metabolism of a goddess if

you could eat more than 1500 calories and not gain weight. While

this is rare I do not doubt that it is possible, I dont think you are

lying but I feel like if you actually calculated your food intake it

is /probably/ less than you expect. Exceptionally good genetics is

at the root of it, and you should be happy and we should all envy you.

So, if you feel like you are eating 2400 calories a day (which is

just about 200 calories less than my own maintenance calorie level,

and I am 5'11 " 200 lbs 12% bodyfat) then to add some mass you should

aim to increase that by about 1000 calories a week, or 200 calories a

day. Make sure to get proper protein intake (about 100g for you, but

feel free to add more) and when you exercise, utilize plenty of

resistance training (weights).

Just remember that following your surgery you can't let protein

intake drop drastically which is the problem for most people, I

conjecture. Since most protein is chewable - beans, meat, eggs, and

the like - it can be hard to get in. So drink your milk and protein

shakes and you shouldn't waste away.

-Zac

<karocska@y...> wrote:

> Oh dear god,

> where do you get all this stuff from? I am not suggesting it is not

> right at all. I am amazed at your knowledge of what and how much we

> need.

> I am too trying to build myself up a little as I am tiny and I hope

> the full year till surgery will be enough. In the last 3 months I

> have been trying to keep my meagre weight AND I am drinking a

> protein shake already.

> I have no idea where all the food I consume goes.

> According to your calculations my required calorie intake per day

> (for not losing or gaining anything) would be 1250 calories. I find

> that far too little. I am sure I eat twice as much and in the past

3

> months no sign of weight gain at all.

> Well, I am now taking up excercise again, hope that will help.

> Thanks for all the info.

> Karola

>

> > > Hello everyone my name is and I am having upper lower and

> > > chin.(I keep forgetting the terms but my lower will be moved up

> and

> > > back I have a open bite and my face is long). I just had a

> couple

> > of

> > > questions to ask everyone. My surgery is May 25th. I am really

> > > excited about everything. My first question is weight loss, I

> will

> > > be wired for six weeks and would like to know about weight loss.

> > > second, is there extra skin on the neck after surgery since it

is

> > > moved up and back, and Last can anyone give me a list or a

> website

> > to

> > > go to that shows what I need to have to prepare myself for

after

> the

> > > surgery before and after thank you for all your help

May 9, 2005

Hi Karola,

I think the #1 thing a lot of people forget is that watching what

you eat and exercising go hand in hand, for both underweight and

overweight individuals. It's easy to assume that eating alone will

make you gain weight when we're told by many other sources to eat

less to lose weight. We just figure that eating more will make us

gain weight.

I had been underweight for 28 years. I can eat like a cow, but all

it does is grow my gut. Eating, for people like me (and you it

sounds) does NOT add any fat or muscle weight alone (of course,

fatty foods can still clog arteries, etc.) Our bodies just seem to

turn it into heat and flush the excess out. We're burning furnaces

and we need to give our bodies a reason to gain more weight.

I only started gaining muscle mass after aggressively lifting

weights AND eating like a cow (and watching what I eat). My weight

increased by 40% in about a year (I did this for my surgery as I

couldn't afford to lose another pound, but gaining weight motivated

me to keep going). Since surgery, I've been consuming the same

amount of calories, proteins, carbs, etc., just blended instead of

in chewable form. I was very strict with myself about this (save

the first 4 days after surgery). I wasn't about to stay in bed and

sip juice all day. It was a full time job to cook and eat (and

swallow). I still took my usual daily protein shakes, but I still

lost weight. It proved to me once again (certainly not the first

time) that fast-burning human furnaces must eat AND exercise to keep

a normal weight. This is just as difficult to do as it is for those

trying to lose weight or not become overweight, in which case the

solution is practically the same: watch what you eat (less carbs in

their case, etc.) and exercise.

The hardest part is committing to the new routine. I'm slowly

making the transition to chewable foods again (had non-blended

meatloaf today!) and can't wait to hit the gym in a couple of weeks

to regain the lost weight.

Anyways, that's just from my experience.

Yann

> > > Hello everyone my name is and I am having upper lower and

> > > chin.(I keep forgetting the terms but my lower will be moved

up

> and

> > > back I have a open bite and my face is long). I just had a

> couple

> > of

> > > questions to ask everyone. My surgery is May 25th. I am

really

> > > excited about everything. My first question is weight loss,

I

> will

> > > be wired for six weeks and would like to know about weight

loss.

> > > second, is there extra skin on the neck after surgery since it

is

> > > moved up and back, and Last can anyone give me a list or a

> website

> > to

> > > go to that shows what I need to have to prepare myself for

after

> the

> > > surgery before and after thank you for all your help

May 9, 2005

What you eat will determine whether or not the weight you gain is

stored as fat or as muscle or not stored at all and burned as excess

heat. The mechanism for this is very complicated (hormones,

particularly testosterone, thyroid hormone, leptin, and others are a

major factor) and if anyone could really figure it out they would be

instant millionaires! Of course it is best to eat highly nutritious

foods that keep you full, provide your body with necessary vitamins

and minerals, and keep you energetic throughout the day. If you just

eat 5 ice creams a day you will be doing nothing good for your body -

there are very few nutrients, very little protein, just lots of

simple carbohydrates and fats that will cause your insulin levels to

rise, shuffling energy quickly into fat cells, and doing nothing for

muscle rebuilding or overall health.

But when it comes to weight gain, what ultimately matters is calories

in versus calories out. If your bodyweight * 12 = 1500 then that

puts you at 125 lbs. A 125lb woman typically has a maintenance

calorie rate of 1500-1700 calories. Most women at this level of body

weight eat more, especially in America. If you only eat 100 calories

more than your maintenance, every day, you will gain something like

10 lbs a year. This is fairly typical Of course if you exercise a

lot, your calorie rate will be more. But it is not typical that

exercise can change your rate by more than 20%.

So in summary, when trying to gain weight before surgery or maintain

weight after, it helps to follow some general guidelines for protein,

carbohydrate, and fat intake as I have outlined. Your goal should be

to preserve lean muscle mass and give your body all the essential

nutrients for healing.

One note on the word essential. Essential really means that your

body can't create it on its own. All nutrients are " essential " to

proper body function, but many you can make on your own! What your

body can't create are: the vitamins (A, B, C, D, and E), minerals

(like potassium, calcium, iron, and zinc among others), some amino

acids (that's why it is important to eat your protein!), and the

essential fats (there are 2: omega-3 and omega-6 polyunsaturated

families). Everything else your body can create from other things you

take in.

Do not worry about getting to the gym when healing, it has been

necessary for me because of performance issues but for people

concerned with just their weight and health, it is probably best to

not exercise if possible (although a walk will do wonders for your

mood!)

Everything I have said applies to all surgeries, not just

orthognathic of course. One key difference in orthognathic surgery

though, is that your eating habits are going to be changed

drastically due to not being able to chew or consume your normal

foods. I can't stress the importance of proper protein intake

enough, or the importance of taking a multivitamin while healing.

Don't deprive your body of what it needs! Everything else is

secondary. If you want to lose fat while recovering, this is

possible, just limit your carbohydrate intake! Your body can create

glycogen (the ultimate result of any carbohydrate after your body

breaks it down) on its own and even use a similar compound instead

(ketones) to fuel your daily activities. Just be careful, and don't

overtax your system!

> > > > Hello everyone my name is and I am having upper lower

and

> > > > chin.(I keep forgetting the terms but my lower will be moved

up

> > and

> > > > back I have a open bite and my face is long). I just had a

> > couple

> > > of

> > > > questions to ask everyone. My surgery is May 25th. I am

really

> > > > excited about everything. My first question is weight loss,

I

> > will

> > > > be wired for six weeks and would like to know about weight

loss.

> > > > second, is there extra skin on the neck after surgery since

it

> is

> > > > moved up and back, and Last can anyone give me a list or a

> > website

> > > to

> > > > go to that shows what I need to have to prepare myself for

> after

> > the

> > > > surgery before and after thank you for all your help

May 10, 2005

Well Zac,

" At 104 lbs you would have the metabolism of a goddess if

> you could eat more than 1500 calories and not gain weight. "

If you meant this as a compliment thanks.

I do really weigh 104 pounds if that is the equal of 47-48 kgs. And

I am 168 cms tall so work that out. And I really do eat as much as I

can and 5 times a day.

So I am thin as a rake and this is not always as good as many might

think. I am grateful for my genes, though, (My mum and dad are thin

and so is my brother and actually the whole family really) and enjoy

the fact that I can eat anything as long as I manage to get it

through my mouth full of wires.

But I really have to put on some weight as my clothes all begin to

look terrible on me and it is not fun to go shopping and have the

insensitive shop assistant who is a tiny bit plump look at you

pitifully and tell you straight that yes looks like they don't have

anything your size, try the kids department ...

I keep trying though.That is to gain weight.

Karola

ps: any idea why people are tactful when they see a fat person. They

don't say: Oh my god you are terribly fat! And it never occurs to

them that being thin is not always because you starve yourself to

death. Evereone says: oh my god you are so thin, why don't you

eat??? I stopped telling them that I do eat. I'll just say oh yeah.

I like it this way. I know the are just envious.

May 10, 2005

Wow being a bit of an exercise and nutrition freak myself, I am impressed that

someone is that into this stuff.

marketanarchist wrote:What you eat will determine whether or

not the weight you gain is