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And here I bought a juicer that I was gonna use for the first time tomorrow....doesn't hurt to try I guessEllenTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 7:27:59 PMSubject: Re: How bad is it to not eat

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Interesting! And here I've been wanting a Vitamix so I could make green smoothies.

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> I just read something that Sally Fallon said about green drinks not being as good for you as people think because the veggies aren't cooked. Katy

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At 07:32 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:

Interesting! And here I've been

wanting a Vitamix so I could make green smoothies.

So make 'em with cooked veggies!

Marilyn

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Hey :) Sorry it took me awhile to respond. I cut (or just pull/push with fingers thumb) my strawberries in half, put them in a glass baking dish, and cook them at 325 F in a gas oven. I do not deseed them, and it's not been a problem for me. I start checking them at 20 mins. I stick fork through. must go through so easy or it's not cooked enough for me. not counting skin tension. I poke it from (cut open) center towards skin. slides right in when it's done. then I double check readiness by trying one.

I'm not sure about how long green beans last cooked in fridge. I usually eat them so fast :) I steam up a stock pot full and it's gone in a day or two! I think the longest any have lingered in the fridge is 4 days before they were completely eaten, and it was fine, could be they last a lot longer. I would cook up some and fridge and try 'em every day for a few days to see when they lose viability :)

.... I think that would definitely be better than microwaving ;)best!!p.s. I'm learning to cook 'em up in my crockpot, it's great!! :)

 

question, how do you bake the strawberries, do you take the seeds out and what temp?also, I know there is some controversy about microwaving, but I sometimes steam my green beans in the microwave since I usually eat them out of the house and it takes me much shorter time in the mornin to prepare them.  They get very wrinkly.  If I steamed a bunch on the stove, how long would they last in the fridge?

thanks,  

 

yeah, eskimos aren't really the most fair comparison because the nutrient profiles of the foods they eat are unusual compared to ones available commonly in continental US. Oh, and I mean inuit. when you do try reintroducing veggies, I would recommend cooking the bejinkers out of them ala intro/stage 1. I still boil my carrots 4 hours. I can't eat them unless I puree them. Then, I water them down, and I'm totally fine, and they're great. I am also finding myself steaming greenbeans for hours. now that fresher ones are availible seasonally, I have to steam them even longer. until they are completely dark. Tonight, it's taking 3 hours :( but, it works! and I can't get them down proper unless I do. then it works :)

steamed zucchini is _so_ much easier....really, it's best to work _with_ your body as much as possible. I'm glad you are finding good clues to the puzzle of stabilizing your digestion, that are helping.

everyone's a little different. i still can't eat a little bit of raw banana for the life of me. but if I bake 'stage 3' strawberries for 20-30 mins, they go down great :)Best wishes!!

p.s. also when reintroducing fruit, I would recommend caution as well. It might be a great idea to start with stage 1 type applesauce.. cooking and pureeing :)

 

In the mean time, I've been fruit and veggie free (except for a little fruit juice) for a little over one week, and have felt better than I have in awhile. 

Well, I think plenty of healthy! communities of people go for a long time without fruits or veggies. Like eskimos. If you are doing this, like the eskimos, make sure your ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is high - that's what the eskimos

did with their diet. .  Mara

I think they mainly eat animal products. I'm guessing that if you feel good, then keep with it for a while, because it's obviously what your body wants. Glad you're feeling better!

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Glad to hear it Kat! Maybe there's hope for me yet ;-).

I've thought about trying fermented veggies to see if they would be easier to

digest. I was never a fan of sauerkraut pre-SCD (even though sauerkraut and pork

was a common dinner in our household), but maybe I should learn to like it.

My scope in just the upper one, so no prep. Hurray! I think I'll start taking

HCl once it's done.

Holly

Crohn's

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> > > > my abdominal pain. When I eat yogurt, cheese, eggs, meat, almond

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> > > > honey, and fruit juice in gelatin, I seem to do pretty well. As soon as

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> > > > south. So if I were to go a long period of time with no fruits or

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> > > > (other then a little fruit juice in my gelatin), would it be bad for my

> > > > health? Would a multivitamin make up the difference at all?

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Holly, let me know if you ferment. It's high on my list along with sourdough for the rest of my family. But I really want to try fermenting.UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)

Glad to hear it Kat! Maybe there's hope for me yet ;-).

I've thought about trying fermented veggies to see if they would be easier to digest. I was never a fan of sauerkraut pre-SCD (even though sauerkraut and pork was a common dinner in our household), but maybe I should learn to like it.

My scope in just the upper one, so no prep. Hurray! I think I'll start taking HCl once it's done.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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> > > > For around the first year or so on SCD, I tolerated quite a few fruits

> > and

> > > > veggies. However, since then my tolerances have shrunk and shrunk.

> > > > Initially, it was undigested food in my stool with no other symptoms.

> > Now,

> > > > it seems that produce may be one of the causes (or maybe even the

> > cause), of

> > > > my abdominal pain. When I eat yogurt, cheese, eggs, meat, almond

> > butter,

> > > > honey, and fruit juice in gelatin, I seem to do pretty well. As soon as

> > I

> > > > try to add a fruit or veggie (that was previously tolerated), things go

> > > > south. So if I were to go a long period of time with no fruits or

> > veggies

> > > > (other then a little fruit juice in my gelatin), would it be bad for my

> > > > health? Would a multivitamin make up the difference at all?

> > > >

> > > > Holly

> > > > Crohn's

> > > > SCD 12/01/08

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I'll let you know how it goes ! I have the crock (should have ordered 1

gallon instead of 2) and the Nourishing Traditions Books. I just need to read up

on it, and figure out what to start with. I've heard carrots, beats, and ginger

all taste very good. I don't really like cabbage, but may try it anyway since

cabbage juice is supposed to be so healing.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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> Holly, let me know if you ferment. It's high on my list along with sourdough

for the rest of my family. But I really want to try fermenting.

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Hmm...Well, I looked at the article on raw foods being bad for you. IMHO, it is a very weak, holey article written by someone with absolutely no professional training or credentials, certainly not in the field, or a related field.I

also perused some of the links she used for sources of information. I am likewise unimpressed.

I don't want to start an argument on this article on this list. If anyone wants to jam with me, I'd be happy to offlist.That

being said, I'd like to make a couple points to express a word of caution.

From the best of my knowledge and the research that I've done, raw vs. cook foods is not a black and white issue.Chinese medicine has long maintained that for people with weak digestion, cooked food is imperative.

In evaluation of Chinese medicine's assessment of the appropriateness and balancing of raw foods in the diet, much has been increasingly talked about lately, including how in many ways there is misinformation.

There are books on the subject, but here is a brief interview discussing one aspect. at the end of this message is a bio on the credentials of the man interviewed.http://mattmonarch.blogspot.com/2010/01/raw-foods-chinese-medicine-can-co-exist.html

off the top of my head, some things really jive with me on this woman's article. one of them is the insinuation that minerals do not become available from raw plant foods until after cell walls have been broken down by bacteria in the large intestine. I challenge anyone who is really low on iron to try putting a significantly containing iron raw

vegetal food in their mouth, like some raw organic spinach. If you've ever been as low on iron as I have and tried this, you'll notice an immediate reaction. I don't know if she would want to counter argue that

there is bacteria in the mouth, and indeed carbohydrate digestion does start in the mouth, which is why it is so incredibly important to properly chew your food or else, especially carbohydrates, it cannot digested properly. However, if she believes it's the presence of bacteria in the mouth that is allowing the transfer of iron, a mineral, from within the cell walls, that would contradict her claim that enzymes

in foods cannot be beneficial to digestion because they are within the cell wall. if minerals are released in the mouth, why not enzymes?

I'm also very confused about her claim that " juicing does not break down the cell walls.

" she provides no reference or source for this information. Juicer's everywhere claim that that's the whole point of juicing.... indeed that is my understanding for why SCDer's can eat juiced fruits on intro, because that is in a way breaking them down like 'cooking' them. for example, humans can't really eat grass, like wheat grass. it's expected pretty much to pass through you, and you won't benefit much, if at all. but if you juice it.. it's supposed to break the cell walls, and you get

the benefits of the nutrients. Have you ever tried wheat grass juice? It's quite nutrient packed. Nobody I have ever heard of has recommend to

anyone that they eat wheat grass... but lots of people recommend wheat grass juice. The reason is supposed to be that the juicing makes the nutrients available, where they would not be in the grass.

.... " That's why herbivores produce lots of gas, and because they consume only

carbs/sugars they are fat and bloated. " Say what? I have never

heard of anyone considering a deer fat. or a goat. or a jack rabbit. or

giraffe. or a gazelle. bloated? deer? goats?Anywho, arguing

biology within western science is not a fun or even inviting idea to me. Understandings of health from non-western cultures that are outside of western science are extremely enlightening and sophisticated, and very quickly reflect what I consider bizarre oversimplifications in the west, especially modern western science, and I don't know where to specify exactly where it went most awry. Many people like to see DesCartes as the turning point in health.

I am in concurrence with mainstream Chinese medicine and Dr. Haas that in certain illnesses, cooked foods are absolutely necessary. I have

found no other way.However, it's been over three months since I

can eat any raw fruits or vegetables. I eat grassfed beef, usually rare, raw organic eggs, and grassfed butter. and yogurt from grassfed milk. I eat cooked vegetables and fruits. Yet when I test myself on occasion with a bit of raw banana in my mouth, or I get tempted with a raw green bean and bite a

piece into my mouth, the nourishment that is there that is not in my cooked food, immediately hits me and astounds me. For this reason before

I cook up some spinach I put a little in my mouth and chew it up, then spit it out for the benefits that come from eating raw spinach that are not there in my cooked spinach. [not that I advise this for someone for whom the possibility of swallowing a little uncooked vegetable substance

might not be appropriate for their stomach. I myself am very careful not to swallow any of it but the juice]

Best wishes.interviewee credentials in short clip I linked on an esoteric point in consideration of raw foods in Chinese medicine: Andy offers Acupuncture and Traditional Asian Diagnosis to Indiana at The Center for Wholism and Harmony Healing Arts, including herbal and

food energetics and education. Andy is certified to treat those challenged with cancer, which is one of his specialties. Andy is founder

of Wind-River Acupuncture, a Licensed Acupuncturist by the state of Indiana, Diplomate of Acupuncture with the National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, a Magna Cum Laude graduate of Master�s Level Acupuncture from the American Institute of Alternative Medicine, and author of a best-selling medicinal plant field

guide. Andy has over 20 years of experience in healing and alternative medicine. Along with Asian Traditional Medicine, Andy has studied folk healing with many Indigenous Peoples, including the Kek�chi Maya of Belize and the Kwakwaka�wakw of British Columbia. Andy�s healing methods

embrace the idea that all things are possible.Andy champions that we can overcome any health challenge/dis-ease and achieve optimal health and beauty with positive personal empowerment and learning to listen and act upon subtle messages from the body. His healing methods incorporate the triad of health in Asian medicine, which includes balancing nutrition, appropriate exercise, and emotional well being. Using the bodies system of meridians and energy, Andy utilizes acupuncture, meridian based massage, and lifestyle education to balance BODY, MIND, and SPIRIT!

 

And here I bought a juicer that I was gonna use for the first time tomorrow....doesn't hurt to try I guessEllen

To: BTVC-SCD

Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 7:27:59 PMSubject: Re: How bad is it to not eat

fruit/veggies?

 

Interesting! And here I've been wanting a Vitamix so I could make green smoothies.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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> I just read something that Sally Fallon said about green drinks not being as good for you as people think because the veggies aren't cooked. Katy

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<snip>I challenge anyone who is really low on

> iron to try putting a significantly containing iron raw vegetal food in

> their mouth, like some raw organic spinach. If you've ever been as low on

> iron as I have and tried this, you'll notice an immediate reaction.

Unfortunately, this hasn't been true for me. One of the ways I tried to help my

low iron was to juice raw spinach and oranges. It was a very tasty drink, but I

didn't feel anything from drinking it, and my iron levels still dropped :-(

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> I'm also very confused about her claim that " juicing does not break down the

> cell walls. " she provides no reference or source for this information.

> Juicer's everywhere claim that that's the whole point of juicing.... indeed

> that is my understanding for why SCDer's can eat juiced fruits on intro,

> because that is in a way breaking them down like 'cooking' them.

I think it's also the removal of the fiber that make juices more likely to be

tolerated. That's why they say (especially over at pecanbread) to use an actual

juicer, not a blender or vitamix (unless you strain it).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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