Re:To fruit or not to fruit?

June 22, 2010

Hi ,

This is a continuing debate about candida and fruit. I can only

tell you what I do. I eat fruit. About six months ago my doctor

decided I should take a course of Diflucan because of the high

probability I had candida. I finally agreed, but asked him if I

really had to give up fruit, pointing out that my stomach will not accept

anything but fruit before 11:00 AM and I do have hypoglycemia and need to

eat something, even if just fruit isn't ideal. He said no, not to

give it up. He told me about a study he had read where the researchers

decided to do a test on people with candida, and the intent of the study

was to determine how much better they did without fruit. What they found

was not at all what they expected. As my doctor explained it, run

of the mill candida is fairly mild. That's what the people had

going into the study. After they gave up fruit, instead of getting

better, the candida changed into a much worse, more systemic form. He

said it was like pussy cats changing into tigers, and much harder to deal

with. So his recommendation was that I keep the fruit and just deal with

the pussycats. That's what I did, and I did agree to take the

Diflucan for 4 months. I have to admit, I have wondered if the reason

some people insist their candida is so wicked and hard to get rid of is

that they did give up the fruit and got the tigers to deal with.

Hi all,

I'm about 5 months SCD and am still on a very restricted diet of meat

+ green beans, zucchini/squash, asparagus, spinach/greens only. I do not

tolerate any nuts or dairy.

All symptoms seem to point to a long-standing overgrowth of candida,

and I am going on faith that this is what I need to tackle for now.

Regarding this, I am trying to figure out--should I eat fruit or not?

Most candida-focused resources encourage you to eliminate fruit, but

BTVC does not. Then there are the various stages of SCD candida diet

posted on the " files " page of this group. For my first three

months on SCD, I eliminated fruit totally, but ended up with " ketone

breath, " which my doctor told me was the result of my body moving to

digest differently in the absence of carbohydrates. She recommended I add

some fruit to avoid this. Is that a bad thing? Where can I find more

information about this phenomenon?

If I eat a peeled, cooked apple or pear first thing in the morning, I

feel fine--no symptoms. If I eat fruit any other time of day, or drink

apple or pear juice, I feel very fatigued immediately.

Any experience or wisdom you can share about the " fruit

debate " would be most welcome.

Also, one other thing-- can anyone point me to real, scientific

information that shows how drinking coffee or caffeine contributes to

candida overgrowth?

Thanks,

June 23, 2010

Grrr....that is the tigers talking over here!!! :(

>

> Hi ,

>

> This is a continuing debate about candida and fruit. I can only tell

> you what I do. I eat fruit. About six months ago my doctor decided I

> should take a course of Diflucan because of the high probability I

> had candida. I finally agreed, but asked him if I really had to give

> up fruit, pointing out that my stomach will not accept anything but

> fruit before 11:00 AM and I do have hypoglycemia and need to eat

> something, even if just fruit isn't ideal. He said no, not to give

> it up. He told me about a study he had read where the researchers

> decided to do a test on people with candida, and the intent of the

> study was to determine how much better they did without fruit. What

> they found was not at all what they expected. As my doctor explained

> it, run of the mill candida is fairly mild. That's what the people

> had going into the study. After they gave up fruit, instead of

> getting better, the candida changed into a much worse, more systemic

> form. He said it was like pussy cats changing into tigers, and much

> harder to deal with. So his recommendation was that I keep the fruit

> and just deal with the pussycats. That's what I did, and I did agree

> to take the Diflucan for 4 months. I have to admit, I have wondered

> if the reason some people insist their candida is so wicked and hard

> to get rid of is that they did give up the fruit and got the tigers

> to deal with.

>

> Hi all,

> I'm about 5 months SCD and am still on a very restricted diet of meat

> + green beans, zucchini/squash, asparagus, spinach/greens only. I do

> not tolerate any nuts or dairy.

> All symptoms seem to point to a long-standing overgrowth of candida,

> and I am going on faith that this is what I need to tackle for now.

> Regarding this, I am trying to figure out--should I eat fruit or not?

> Most candida-focused resources encourage you to eliminate fruit, but

> BTVC does not. Then there are the various stages of SCD candida diet

> posted on the " files " page of this group. For my first three months

> on SCD, I eliminated fruit totally, but ended up with " ketone

> breath, " which my doctor told me was the result of my body moving to

> digest differently in the absence of carbohydrates. She recommended I

> add some fruit to avoid this. Is that a bad thing? Where can I find

> more information about this phenomenon?

> If I eat a peeled, cooked apple or pear first thing in the morning, I

> feel fine--no symptoms. If I eat fruit any other time of day, or

> drink apple or pear juice, I feel very fatigued immediately.

> Any experience or wisdom you can share about the " fruit debate " would

> be most welcome.

> Also, one other thing-- can anyone point me to real, scientific

> information that shows how drinking coffee or caffeine contributes to

> candida overgrowth?

> Thanks,

>

June 23, 2010

That's interesting ! Makes me glad I never went strict with no

honey/fruit/high carb veggies. Moderation is best in everything, I guess.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08