RE: Re: vitamins on Intro Diet

[Guest guest]

At 04:20 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:

He works on a farm and needs his

energy so he is concerned about getting through tomorrow (day #2) eating

so little.

He's eating about three times what I eat! Y'know, he's not limited in how

MUCH of the intro diet food he can have!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

I told him that but he is an 18 year old

and at that age food is about taste and feeling filled up, both of which aren’t

really present on the Intro DietJ. He is persevering through this but once before when we

tried limiting foods, he was playing soccer and it took its toll on his body.

It marked a major decline in his health, as if the activity was too much for

his body. This is a real concern for me.

Eileen Cawood

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From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010

12:23 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

vitamins on Intro Diet

At 04:20 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:

He works on a farm and needs his energy so he is concerned about

getting through tomorrow (day #2) eating so little.

He's eating about three times what I eat! Y'know, he's not limited in how MUCH

of the intro diet food he can have!

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 07:21 AM 6/24/2010, you wrote:

I told him that but he is an 18

year old and at that age food is about taste and feeling filled up, both

of which aren’t really present on the Intro Diet :-) . He is persevering

through this but once before when we tried limiting foods, he was playing

soccer and it took its toll on his body. It marked a major decline in his

health, as if the activity was too much for his body. This is a real

concern for me.

" As if the activity was too much for his body. "

Very likely, it was too much. Since he probably was not digesting his

food at that point, he wasn't getting the nutrients he needed to

function. As he starts to heal, he'll absorb more nutrients and have more

energy.

How many days has he been on intro at this point? Oh, wait, today's his

second day.

Looking at what he's eating:

Breakfast – scrambled eggs, roast

chicken and roast pork; about ¼ of scd yogurt

Lunch – homemade chicken soup, more roast chicken, tuna salad made with

scd mayo, scd cheesecake

Dinner (right around the corner but should be tuna, turkey burger, more

chicken soup and cheesecake)

1/4 teaspoon? 1/4 cup? 1/4 batch of yogurt? SCD yogurt is pretty

potent stuff, and can cause some gurgling and so forth as it starts

kicking the bad bacteria's cell walls in.

I notice that he's eating no veggies or any fruit (both of which should

be peeled, seeded, and cooked) at this point -- you might want to add in

some peeled, sliced, steamed zucchini, with a bit of butter and salt, if

he appears to be handling the mayo OK.

He's probably been eating lots of carbs, and he's not getting much on

what he's eating, except with the yogurt. Did you drip, or drain the

yogurt? As a consequence, some of what he perceives as HIM being hungry

is actually the bad bacteria screaming for their accustomed

food.

One thing which many people report, as the body shifts from rumen

(baceria based) digestion to human (enzyme based) digestion, is being

famished, all the time. Some parents on the Pecan Bread list report their

seven year olds eating three or four pounds of meat plus associated

vegetables a day for some weeks.

Shifting from liquid stool to soft and mushy in a single day is excellent

progress. Keep in mind that healing with food takes time, so he might not

get a solid stool for weeks or even months. He didn't get sick overnight;

he's not going to heal overnight, either.

Is he keeping a food diary? If he isn't, he should be!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

He comes home for lunch and today came

home feeling unwell and called in requesting to return later so that he can

rest. He also has returned to more liquid stool and has had stomach cramping

which he hasn’t had for quite awhile. Just for some background…he

is doing the Intro Diet 3 weeks after having started SCD…yes we did the

BIG mistake! But, that being said, he hasn’t been eating the bad carbs

for all of that time. I would have thought that the Intro Diet would be more

positive that how he is feeling. Could this be the die off and do the symptoms

mirror the UC symptoms? I have a nagging fear of him sliding down into the

condition he as in back in the fall. The other issue which I have concern about

is that he stopped taking the Asacol and Imuran about one week into the diet.

Since Imuran takes about 4 weeks to even kick in (if it really does kick in) it

most likely takes that long for it to stop working. Could he now be feeling

worse because the drug has worked out of his system and he is feeling the

result? This means than that it maybe was doing more than we thought. I have

been telling him it would be wiser to keep the meds going AND do the diet but

he had read testimonies stating that healing takes longer on than off the meds.

He only ¼ cup of the yogurt this morning.

Should he have more than that?

What’s a mother to do??!!

Eileen Cawood

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From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010

12:35 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

vitamins on Intro Diet

At 07:21 AM 6/24/2010, you wrote:

I told him that but he is an 18 year old and at that age food is about

taste and feeling filled up, both of which aren’t really present on the

Intro Diet :-) . He is persevering through this but once before when we tried

limiting foods, he was playing soccer and it took its toll on his body. It

marked a major decline in his health, as if the activity was too much for his

body. This is a real concern for me.

" As if the activity was too much for his body. "

Very likely, it was too much. Since he probably was not digesting his food at that

point, he wasn't getting the nutrients he needed to function. As he starts to

heal, he'll absorb more nutrients and have more energy.

How many days has he been on intro at this point? Oh, wait, today's his second

day.

Looking at what he's eating:

Breakfast – scrambled eggs, roast chicken and roast pork; about ¼ of scd

yogurt

Lunch – homemade chicken soup, more roast chicken, tuna salad made with

scd mayo, scd cheesecake

Dinner (right around the corner but should be tuna, turkey burger, more chicken

soup and cheesecake)

1/4 teaspoon? 1/4 cup? 1/4 batch of yogurt? SCD yogurt is pretty potent stuff,

and can cause some gurgling and so forth as it starts kicking the bad

bacteria's cell walls in.

I notice that he's eating no veggies or any fruit (both of which should be

peeled, seeded, and cooked) at this point -- you might want to add in some

peeled, sliced, steamed zucchini, with a bit of butter and salt, if he appears

to be handling the mayo OK.

He's probably been eating lots of carbs, and he's not getting much on what he's

eating, except with the yogurt. Did you drip, or drain the yogurt? As a

consequence, some of what he perceives as HIM being hungry is actually the bad

bacteria screaming for their accustomed food.

One thing which many people report, as the body shifts from rumen (baceria

based) digestion to human (enzyme based) digestion, is being famished, all the

time. Some parents on the Pecan Bread list report their seven year olds eating

three or four pounds of meat plus associated vegetables a day for some weeks.

Shifting from liquid stool to soft and mushy in a single day is excellent

progress. Keep in mind that healing with food takes time, so he might not get a

solid stool for weeks or even months. He didn't get sick overnight; he's not

going to heal overnight, either.

Is he keeping a food diary? If he isn't, he should be!

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:23:15 -0400

>From: BTVC-SCD (on behalf of " Eileen Cawood "

)

>Subject: RE: Re: vitamins on Intro Diet

>To: <BTVC-SCD >

>

> He comes home for lunch and today came home feeling

> unwell and called in requesting to return later so

> that he can rest. He also has returned to more

> liquid stool and has had stomach cramping which he

> hasn't had for quite awhile. Just for some

> background...he is doing the Intro Diet 3 weeks

> after having started SCD...yes we did the BIG

> mistake! But, that being said, he hasn't been eating

> the bad carbs for all of that time. I would have

> thought that the Intro Diet would be more positive

> that how he is feeling. Could this be the die off

It could be.

You can have a lot of gut instability in the first 6 weeks or so

as a great amount of changes are taking place. Fever, D. C,

etc.

Have him take an epsom bath, some activated charcoal, some

original only pepto bismal and relax for a while - plenty of

rest today.

It takes a while to figure out the difference between a flare

and die off - the feeling is not the same - but it is

something that has to be experienced to be certain.

> and do the symptoms mirror the UC symptoms? I have a

> nagging fear of him sliding down into the condition

> he as in back in the fall. The other issue which I

> have concern about is that he stopped taking the

> Asacol and Imuran about one week into the diet.

> Since Imuran takes about 4 weeks to even kick in (if

> it really does kick in) it most likely takes that

> long for it to stop working. Could he now be feeling

> worse because the drug has worked out of his system

> and he is feeling the result? This means than that

> it maybe was doing more than we thought. I have been

> telling him it would be wiser to keep the meds going

> AND do the diet but he had read testimonies stating

> that healing takes longer on than off the meds.

>

>

>

> He only ¼ cup of the yogurt this morning. Should he

> have more than that?

No, not if he is feeling bad. More broth, if he is up to it.

>

> What's a mother to do??!!

Breathe, take a yoga class, try and de-stress. Take an epsom bath yourself.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Marilyn's right: he needs to be eating more fruits and vegetables.

It'll help with the hunger since the body will digest the protein

slower when accompanied by water-retaining foods, like veggies. I

read a study about that years ago but I don't remember the specifics

of how it works.

fiona

[Guest guest]

Kind of confused now…I thought that

following the Intro Diet exactly was crucial so he has been avoiding fruits and

veggies. Until yesterday he was eating cooked veggies (lots of asparagus, some

squash, cooked carrots, greenbeans) and the fruit he had been eating was cantalope,

strawberries, cooked apple (raw on occasion with skins pealed), watermelon, and

ripe bananas. He just headed back to work after taking a nap but he is

dragging.

As I understand it, the yogurt has the

healing properties via the mega good bacteria. Since he has been off of the bad

food for so many weeks, why would eating the yogurt be a negative thing? I

would think that his body would be ready to welcome the good guys and that the

bad guys are in fleeing mode. What exactly is the purpose of the Intro Diet? I

know we have come at this kind of backwards…feeling pretty confused right

now.

I also am realizing that all of the

wonderful testimonies about how quickly people saw change and felt better got

our expectations pretty high. As I have said previously, his symptoms have

never been as severe as the many we have read about but he has been battling it

a long time. Maybe the length of time in his case is more significant than the

severity?

Watching him graduate from High School

several weeks ago was emotionally draining for me…I just want him to be

healthy and robust like his peers. His favorite quote cited in the yearbook is

from Mark Twain, “It isn’t the size of the dog in the fight but the

size of the fight in the dog.” I quietly wept when I read it.

So thankful for this loop…

Eileen Cawood

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From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of fiona

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:53

PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

vitamins on Intro Diet

Marilyn's

right: he needs to be eating more fruits and vegetables.

It'll help with the hunger since the body will digest the protein

slower when accompanied by water-retaining foods, like veggies. I

read a study about that years ago but I don't remember the specifics

of how it works.

fiona