Re:Re/ What's the Perfect Mix of Bacteria?

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My

immune system kicks in if I have probiotics too often; sounds like yours does

the same even though our symptoms are slightly different. My normal

maintenance dose of L. Acidophilus (can’t eat dairy) is one capsule,

taken with food, every 3 to 4 days. My body tolerates the Kirkman Labs or

Custom Probiotics L. Acidophilus; my body doesn’t like the other legal

choices. I worked my way through all of the legal choices during my first year

or two on SCD, and also experimented with time of day I take the probiotic, how

often, and whether it was with food or not. I eventually found out what

worked for me.

If

you haven’t experimented with the frequency of your dose of probiotics,

you might try that. Start off with one capsule or one spoonful of yogurt

then wait a few weeks, then have a tiny amount again. Over time move up

the dosage to once a week perhaps. But it is also OK to just use it once

a month or perhaps once every two months -- you will still get benefits.

You don’t want to reach the point your body reacts, however.

Of

course if your body reacts to a single dose, no matter the brand or what time

of day or whether you take it with food, then you might just have to accept

that your body is super sensitive to probiotics. At that point you could

try using yogurt as a topical ointment or use it as a mouth “swish”

since a certain amount of probiotics will be absorbed. What I mean by mouth “swish”

is a technique I used when I was dealing with thrush; take a spoonful of yogurt

but don’t swallow, swish it around your mouth for 15 seconds or so, then

spit it out. Repeat a few times, never swallowing. Wait 30 minutes

before drinking anything, so that some of the bacteria will be absorbed.

Over time this will help increase your levels of beneficial bacteria.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thank

you all so much for discussing this. I gave SCD yogurt a

valiant try 5 yrs. ago and again 2 or 3 yrs. ago, tried every legal

supplement at Whole Foods (and I'm talking the Mother of all Whole

Foods here in Austin), SCDophilus, and another legal one that I bought

online. Have had trouble with them all. Basicly swelling eyes and

brain, fatigue, brain fag, etc.

I even cultured cabbage which went okay for several days till I

started getting all the above symptoms plus red, weeping " rawness " in

the folds of my eyelids. Had gone to so much trouble that I basicly

said fooey on probiotics. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR ME?

Multitudinous gracias!!!

Artful Carol

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Doesn't Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) also work for yeast? It is the cure for thrush if you develop it while breastfeeding. I have very little experience taking it internally, but I think you can add 3-5 drops to a glass of water and drink it. Anyone tried that?

misha

 

My

immune system kicks in if I have probiotics too often; sounds like yours does

the same even though our symptoms are slightly different.  My normal

maintenance dose of L. Acidophilus (can’t eat dairy) is one capsule,

taken with food, every 3 to 4 days.  My body tolerates the Kirkman Labs or

Custom Probiotics L. Acidophilus; my body doesn’t like the other legal

choices. I worked my way through all of the legal choices during my first year

or two on SCD, and also experimented with time of day I take the probiotic, how

often, and whether it was with food or not.  I eventually found out what

worked for me. 

 

If

you haven’t experimented with the frequency of your dose of probiotics,

you might try that.  Start off with one capsule or one spoonful of yogurt

then wait a few weeks, then have a tiny amount again.  Over time move up

the dosage to once a week perhaps.  But it is also OK to just use it once

a month or perhaps once every two months -- you will still get benefits. 

You don’t want to reach the point your body reacts, however.

 

Of

course if your body reacts to a single dose, no matter the brand or what time

of day or whether you take it with food, then you might just have to accept

that your body is super sensitive to probiotics.  At that point you could

try using yogurt as a topical ointment or use it as a mouth “swish”

since a certain amount of probiotics will be absorbed. What I mean by mouth “swish”

is a technique I used when I was dealing with thrush; take a spoonful of yogurt

but don’t swallow, swish it around your mouth for 15 seconds or so, then

spit it out.  Repeat a few times, never swallowing.  Wait 30 minutes

before drinking anything, so that some of the bacteria will be absorbed. 

Over time this will help increase your levels of beneficial bacteria.

 

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

 

Thank

you all so much for discussing this. I gave SCD yogurt a

valiant try 5 yrs. ago and again 2 or 3 yrs. ago, tried every legal

supplement at Whole Foods (and I'm talking the Mother of all Whole

Foods here in Austin), SCDophilus, and another legal one that I bought

online. Have had trouble with them all. Basicly swelling eyes and

brain, fatigue, brain fag, etc.

I even cultured cabbage which went okay for several days till I

started getting all the above symptoms plus red, weeping " rawness " in

the folds of my eyelids. Had gone to so much trouble that I basicly

said fooey on probiotics. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR ME?

Multitudinous gracias!!!

Artful Carol

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Kim

what are the other brands of acidophilus you used (I was wondering weahter to

ask if I could buy the batch and try them as so many things react to and just

either tired or depressed and giving up for awhile finding and trying something

else) Also need to increase HCL am told and since recent stomach pains dont want

to add that , but am trying choline and will see if can do some B1 or B's, can

be low when adrenals are tired or low thyroid, someone in adrenal support group

said my adrenals are tanked after looking at last test results. Its like catch

22. Have been trying this wekk little bits of raw cultured milk, but since am

crying(never cry), and sweating(temp98.0) maybe its an infectin. Will go out and

collect fresh air ,some D's and try for new frame of mind walk.

And then list what house needs done....

Like that can go here and get new outlook on what might work or just need to try

again...

Thanks

EnJoy

Lynn D

>

> My immune system kicks in if I have probiotics too often; sounds like yours

> does the same even though our symptoms are slightly different. My normal

> maintenance dose of L. Acidophilus (can't eat dairy) is one capsule, taken

> with food, every 3 to 4 days. My body tolerates the Kirkman Labs or Custom

> Probiotics L. Acidophilus; my body doesn't like the other legal choices. I

> worked my way through all of the legal choices during my first year or two

> on SCD, and also experimented with time of day I take the probiotic, how

> often, and whether it was with food or not. I eventually found out what

> worked for me.

>

>

>

> If you haven't experimented with the frequency of your dose of probiotics,

> you might try that. Start off with one capsule or one spoonful of yogurt

> then wait a few weeks, then have a tiny amount again. Over time move up the

> dosage to once a week perhaps. But it is also OK to just use it once a

> month or perhaps once every two months -- you will still get benefits. You

> don't want to reach the point your body reacts, however.

>

>

>

> Of course if your body reacts to a single dose, no matter the brand or what

> time of day or whether you take it with food, then you might just have to

> accept that your body is super sensitive to probiotics. At that point you

> could try using yogurt as a topical ointment or use it as a mouth " swish "

> since a certain amount of probiotics will be absorbed. What I mean by mouth

> " swish " is a technique I used when I was dealing with thrush; take a

> spoonful of yogurt but don't swallow, swish it around your mouth for 15

> seconds or so, then spit it out. Repeat a few times, never swallowing.

> Wait 30 minutes before drinking anything, so that some of the bacteria will

> be absorbed. Over time this will help increase your levels of beneficial

> bacteria.

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6 years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

>

> neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

>

> Thank you all so much for discussing this. I gave SCD yogurt a

> valiant try 5 yrs. ago and again 2 or 3 yrs. ago, tried every legal

> supplement at Whole Foods (and I'm talking the Mother of all Whole

> Foods here in Austin), SCDophilus, and another legal one that I bought

> online. Have had trouble with them all. Basicly swelling eyes and

> brain, fatigue, brain fag, etc.

>

> I even cultured cabbage which went okay for several days till I

> started getting all the above symptoms plus red, weeping " rawness " in

> the folds of my eyelids. Had gone to so much trouble that I basicly

> said fooey on probiotics. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR ME?

> Multitudinous gracias!!!

> Artful Carol

>

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Lynn

It

is OK to not use any supplements for a few months and just focus on SCD-legal

foods, letting your body heal somewhat before adding in the stresses from

dealing with varying types of supplements. Also by just focusing on foods

you can identify those that your body tolerates the best. Remember that

overworked or overwhelmed body systems don’t deal well with large doses

of vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc. that supplements introduce. Supplements can

help, of course, but sometimes our bodies aren’t able to cope.

I

went supplement-free for the first four months on SCD because everyone I tried caused

more problems than helped. Eventually my body was able to tolerate tiny

amounts of L. Acidophilus, but I couldn’t tolerate a children’s

multivitamin (for the low doses) even once a month until about month 6.

Granted my experience isn’t the norm, I do have super sensitive body

systems. But in my research I’ve frequently come across the

recommendation to go supplement-free for a while if you are dealing with

chronic symptoms and poor health. When your body is stronger, then you

can slowly add in a supplement if you know you are deficient in certain areas.

Just

a thought. I tend to suggest the minimal approach quite often!

I

tried all of the SCD-legal L. Acidophilus supplements. Lyosan Acidophilus

(from Lucy’s Kitchen Shop), Custom Probiotics L. Acidophilus, Kirkman

Labs L. Acidophilus, and GIProHealth SCDophilus. There is a list of these

sources in our Group Files, with hyperlinks. I think the differences in

my tolerance levels may be due to the culture medium base used by the various

companies, but I don’t know for sure. The exception is that the

Lyosan Acidophilus does contain skim milk powder (or did when I tried it),

which is a definite problem for my body, as I no longer can eat anything dairy.

Testing many supplements, including probiotics, is normal for me. I have

a routine that I follow for any supplements and medications.

Kim

M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kim

what are the other brands of acidophilus you used (I was wondering weahter to

ask if I could buy the batch and try them as so many things react to and just

either tired or depressed and giving up for awhile finding and trying something

else)