Re: Blueberries and bowel disease

July 13, 2010

Great article... Thanks for sharing!!!

Lise

Jimmy’s mom

My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the season, the are like a drug to me

When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course, temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a them during the last week.

Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...) didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really reduce inflammation.

http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

Annie

Chron's and arthritis

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July 13, 2010

I think it is the skins that are hard to digest for some people and who can peel

a blueberry? I think a Vitamix would take care of that problem.

I cut them out because if I ate too many, the lovely purple mess was evidence

that I did not digest them well. Like you, I could eat them until I turned blue.

Thanks for the article and I think they would be better tolerated pureed for

some. It's good you did well with them.

PJ

>

> My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was able

to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

>

> When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

>

> Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...)

didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy

beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

>

> There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries

against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really

reduce inflammation.

> http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

>

> So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

>

> Annie

> Chron's and arthritis

>

July 13, 2010

You are soo lucky to have a mom who is a blueberry proucer! My mom eats fresh blueberries daily with the yogurt. That's about as far SCD as she goes but she *loves* the yogurt. Now she's found pure blueberry juice so she likes smoothies with them.

Must be something to it and thanks for sharing the article!

Debbie 41 cd

July 13, 2010

I wish I had a Vitamix... Last year, i was cooking the blueberries, blending

them then squeezing the pulp trough a kind of bag. The seeds and part of the

skins were retained by the bag... ending up with a smooth delicious blueberry

sauce. Long and dirty process though.

Annie

> >

> > My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was

able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

> >

> > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

> >

> > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...)

didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy

beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

> >

> > There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries

against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really

reduce inflammation.

> > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

> >

> > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> >

> > Annie

> > Chron's and arthritis

> >

>

July 13, 2010

What is vitamix and how does it remove the seeds?

I'm wondering about this seeds because I think it normal to not digest the

seeds. When I served strawberry and blueberries to the kids where I worked and

changed diapers the next day I could see the seeds.

So why do they need to be removed? Can really bugs it those small seeds?

And one more think..

Is it the big blue berries (white inside) or is the the small blueberries

(purple inside) that is discussed here?

Karianne

scd 11 months

> > >

> > > My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was

able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

> > >

> > > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

> > >

> > > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea,

blood...) didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit

loose, mushy beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

> > >

> > > There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of

blueberries against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could

really reduce inflammation.

> > > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

> > >

> > > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> > >

> > > Annie

> > > Chron's and arthritis

> > >

> >

>

July 13, 2010

I watched a Vita Mix video a couple of days ago and they said

emphatically that it pulverized and pureed raspberry seeds, so I think

there couldn't possibly be any problem with it fully pureeing blueberry

skins.

I think it is the skins that are hard to digest for some people and

who can peel a blueberry? I think a Vitamix would take care of that

problem.

I cut them out because if I ate too many, the lovely purple mess was

evidence that I did not digest them well. Like you, I could eat them

until I turned blue. Thanks for the article and I think they would be

better tolerated pureed for some. It's good you did well with

them.

PJ

July 14, 2010

Karianne, the vitamix is a big blender. Check it out :

http://www.vitamix.com/index_int.asp

I'm talking about big blueberries. They are originally coming from New Jersey.

However, I am not sure which one of them the study is referring to. This is a

study from Sweden, maybe you know more about the varieties we can find there ? I

would presume the small one have more antioxidants.

Annie

> > > >

> > > > My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was

able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

> > > >

> > > > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

> > > >

> > > > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea,

blood...) didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit

loose, mushy beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

> > > >

> > > > There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of

blueberries against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could

really reduce inflammation.

> > > > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

> > > >

> > > > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> > > >

> > > > Annie

> > > > Chron's and arthritis

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 14, 2010

does the vitamix crush the seeds or why is it better then other blenders? (I

have a philips)

If the study is from Sweden I guess it is the small blueberries (purple inside)

because that is what " we " (I live in norway, next to sweden) call blueberries.

The large one are called american blueberries or garden blurberries.

The small purple blueberries also have seeds inside but they are very very tiny

and I don't think I'm possible to get them out. Then there will be no blueberry

left!

I don't tolerate raw fruit.. But last week I lost controll and I ate 8 organic

strawberries. I did not get any pain or reaction to it. But I could see the

seeds from the berries in my bm, so maybe I don't tolerate it then? but as I

wrote earlier, when I gave berries to the kids at work and changed diapers later

I could see strawberry seeds. So I am very donfused about if I tolerate

strawberries or not!

Karianne

> > > > >

> > > > > My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I

was able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During

the season, the are like a drug to me

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious

with berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea,

blood...) didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit

loose, mushy beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of

blueberries against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could

really reduce inflammation.

> > > > > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

> > > > >

> > > > > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Annie

> > > > > Chron's and arthritis

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 14, 2010

> does the vitamix crush the seeds or why is it better then other blenders? (I

have a philips)

>

> If the study is from Sweden I guess it is the small blueberries (purple

inside) because that is what " we " (I live in norway, next to sweden) call

blueberries. The large one are called american blueberries or garden

blurberries.

>

> The small purple blueberries also have seeds inside but they are very very

tiny and I don't think I'm possible to get them out. Then there will be no

blueberry left!

>

> I don't tolerate raw fruit.. But last week I lost controll and I ate 8 organic

strawberries. I did not get any pain or reaction to it. But I could see the

seeds from the berries in my bm, so maybe I don't tolerate it then? but as I

wrote earlier, when I gave berries to the kids at work and changed diapers later

I could see strawberry seeds. So I am very donfused about if I tolerate

strawberries or not!

why not cook them and see what happens. or put them raw in smoothies.

generally the seeds accumulate at the bottom of the

container, so don't drink that part.

Mara

July 14, 2010

I don't tolerate raw fruit.. But last week I lost controll and I ate 8 organic strawberries. I did not get any pain or reaction to it. But I could see the seeds from the berries in my bm, so maybe I don't tolerate it then? but as I wrote earlier, when I gave berries to the kids at work and changed diapers later I could see strawberry seeds. So I am very donfused about if I tolerate strawberries or not!To me, it sounds like you tolerate them fine! I don't think anyone digests the seeds, like you said, so that's normal. And if you didn't get any pain or bad bms, then it seems like you're okay. And didn't you try a strawberry a couple weeks ago with no reaction as well? Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 15 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

July 14, 2010

I love blueberries too!

Just a heads up, I've read a few articles that say eating milk with your

blueberries (such as yogurt) blocks the antioxidants in blueberries. Here's a

link to just one article:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025516_blueberries_antioxidant_cancer.html

I was sad when I read that, since they say eating blueberries with probiotics

enhances the benefits, and I love blueberries with my yogurt. I'm thinking

coconut yogurt would be fine, but I've only made yogurt with dairy. Oh well, I

still eat blueberries with my yogurt. I'll just make more of an effort to eat

them without yogurt.

Take care,

Amber

>

> My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was able

to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

>

> When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

>

> Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...)

didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy

beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

>

> There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries

against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really

reduce inflammation.

> http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

>

> So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

>

> Annie

> Chron's and arthritis

>

July 14, 2010

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To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 4:10:22 PMSubject: Re: Blueberries and bowel diseaseI love blueberries too!Just a heads up, I've read a few articles that say eating milk with your blueberries (such as yogurt) blocks the antioxidants in blueberries. Here's a link to just one article:http://www.naturalnews.com/025516_blueberries_antioxidant_cancer.htmlI was sad when I read that, since they say eating blueberries with probiotics enhances the benefits, and I love blueberries with my yogurt. I'm thinking coconut yogurt would be fine, but I've only made yogurt with dairy. Oh well, I still eat blueberries with my yogurt. I'll just make more of an effort

to eat them without yogurt.Take care,Amber>> My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the season, the are like a drug to me > > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with berries, I was like, "Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave". Of course, temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a them during the last week.> > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...) didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.> > There is a lot

of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really reduce inflammation. > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472> > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.> > Annie> Chron's and arthritis>------------------------------------

July 14, 2010

I did eat one.. I don't got a reaction to it. But it was in the beginning of the

flare. So its really confusing..

Anyway I am going to buy blue berries tomorrow. I did tolerate it very well

before (when I was 99% SCD + anti fungal medication).

karianne

>

> > I don't tolerate raw fruit.. But last week I lost controll and I ate

> > 8 organic strawberries. I did not get any pain or reaction to it.

> > But I could see the seeds from the berries in my bm, so maybe I

> > don't tolerate it then? but as I wrote earlier, when I gave berries

> > to the kids at work and changed diapers later I could see strawberry

> > seeds. So I am very donfused about if I tolerate strawberries or not!

>

> To me, it sounds like you tolerate them fine! I don't think anyone

> digests the seeds, like you said, so that's normal. And if you didn't

> get any pain or bad bms, then it seems like you're okay. And didn't

> you try a strawberry a couple weeks ago with no reaction as well?

>

> Cheers!

> Alyssa 16 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> Prednisone 15 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

>

July 15, 2010

Try it and tell us how it goes... I'm curious to see if it can really help some

of us.

Sometimes, I think we can get our body used to something. Like one or 2 years

ago, I wasn't digesting garlic very well, I was burping it all the time. But I

was using it anyway because it gives such a good flavor to soups, omelettes,

stew... And now I don't have any problem with garlic anymore. So I presume we

can " train " our digestive system, to produce more specific enzymes or cope with

higher fiber content.

I'm testing this theory on myself anyway

Annie

> >

> > > I don't tolerate raw fruit.. But last week I lost controll and I ate

> > > 8 organic strawberries. I did not get any pain or reaction to it.

> > > But I could see the seeds from the berries in my bm, so maybe I

> > > don't tolerate it then? but as I wrote earlier, when I gave berries

> > > to the kids at work and changed diapers later I could see strawberry

> > > seeds. So I am very donfused about if I tolerate strawberries or not!

> >

> > To me, it sounds like you tolerate them fine! I don't think anyone

> > digests the seeds, like you said, so that's normal. And if you didn't

> > get any pain or bad bms, then it seems like you're okay. And didn't

> > you try a strawberry a couple weeks ago with no reaction as well?

> >

> > Cheers!

> > Alyssa 16 yo

> > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> > SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> > Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day

> > Prednisone 15 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

> >

>

July 15, 2010

Whenever I eat anything that contains spices (onion & garlic powders, oregano,

etc.), I burp those spices for hours...sometimes even into the next day. Pre-SCD

I loved ranch dressing, but hated burping it for 12 hours. So would this be an

intolerance? Last night, I had 2 tiny slices of cucumber that were touching some

onion. Even though I didn't consume any onion, I burped them the rest of the

night :-(.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> Try it and tell us how it goes... I'm curious to see if it can really help

some of us.

>

> Sometimes, I think we can get our body used to something. Like one or 2 years

ago, I wasn't digesting garlic very well, I was burping it all the time. But I

was using it anyway because it gives such a good flavor to soups, omelettes,

stew... And now I don't have any problem with garlic anymore. So I presume we

can " train " our digestive system, to produce more specific enzymes or cope with

higher fiber content.

> I'm testing this theory on myself anyway

>

> Annie

July 16, 2010

At 10:50 AM 7/13/2010, you wrote:

So far so good to me... just

tought i would share my experience.

Everyone is different in their tolerances!

I love blueberries, myself, but must, alas, limit how much I eat on a

given day. Then again, I have to limit how much fruit I eat,

period.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

July 21, 2010

Hello. I have just read the articles from the two links and encourage you to

consider the following before giving up or changing the way you eat blueberries:

1) Re: blueberries eaten with probiotics -- the article does not state in what

form the probiotics are consumed (yogurt, aged cheese, supplements). Aside from

those few, most of the other natural sources of probiotics I've learned about

(tempeh, shoyu, miso, beer, etc.) are all SCD illegals. There is also not

enough information about how the studies were conducted, measured, etc., and how

all that plays out in regular human consumption of blueberries with or without

probiotic foods.

2) Re: blueberries eaten with milk -- this article is also lacking in enough

information to determine the accuracy of their study results. How many

volunteers? Someone can call 10 people a study. How many interval measurements

over what time period? The entire digestive process from beginning to end can

take 4 to 10 hours, depending on the macro contents (protein, carbohydrates,

fats) of the meal. Did the volunteers fast from the night before? But aside from

all that, here's the one thing that jumped right out at me -- the study was

blueberries consumed with MILK ... an SCD ILLEGAL ... a food that apparently

many people have problems digesting because of lacking in lactase enzyme to

digest the lactose. Given that SCD yogurt is fermented 24 hours to remove all

the lactose, perhaps they would have gotten better results studying eating

blueberries with that vs. milk.

And if you eat some blueberries with SCD yogurt and some on their own, then you

get both sides of the benefits! It doesn't have to be either/or.

Enjoy,

~Margaret

> >

> > My mom's a blueberry producer. Since a was born (or at least since I was

able to eat solid food), I've eaten loads and loads of blueberries. During the

season, the are like a drug to me

> >

> > When I started SCD and read that we would have to be very cautious with

berries, I was like, " Oh my god, i'll never be able to behave " . Of course,

temptation was too hard and because I have a poor self-control, i ate a lot a

them during the last week.

> >

> > Well the catastrophe I was expecting (lots of gut pain, diarrhea, blood...)

didn't happen. Actually, my bowel movement that were still a bit loose, mushy

beforehand are now almost perfectly normal. I'm totally amazed.

> >

> > There is a lot of infos on the web about the protective role of blueberries

against colitis and cronhs. Eaten with yogourt, it seems they could really

reduce inflammation.

> > http://www.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=15111 & news_item=4472

> >

> > So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> >

> > Annie

> > Chron's and arthritis

> >

>

July 22, 2010

Marilyn,

Blueberries are like one of THE fruits that agree with me!

Heh..

Same as you though, I must limit the amount of my fruit intake period or I get

the runs.

Do you think it may have to do with fruit being picked so ripe today instead of

nature doing it's thang?

Jodi

> >So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

>

> Everyone is different in their tolerances!

>

> I love blueberries, myself, but must, alas, limit

> how much I eat on a given day. Then again, I have

> to limit how much fruit I eat, period.

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

>

July 22, 2010

Marilyn,

I like typed the same exact sentence you did.

I guess I am so malleable in the AM.

LOL..

Jodi

> > >So far so good to me... just tought i would share my experience.

> >

> > Everyone is different in their tolerances!

> >

> > I love blueberries, myself, but must, alas, limit

> > how much I eat on a given day. Then again, I have

> > to limit how much fruit I eat, period.

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > No Human Children

> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> > Babette the Foundling Beagle

> >

>

July 22, 2010

At 05:27 AM 7/22/2010, you wrote:

Blueberries are like one of THE

fruits that agree with me! Heh.. Same as you though, I must limit the

amount of my fruit intake period or I get the runs. Do you think it may

have to do with fruit being picked so ripe today instead of nature doing

it's thang?

Unless you're lucky to live near a blueberry farmer and can get them

actually RIPE, it's probably an issue. I feel a yen for blueberry-pecan

muffins coming on.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

July 22, 2010

I luckily live in Oregon where you can get yummy perfectly ripe blueberries for

$2/pound, and I am eating them like crazy right now.

I find them awesome in a simple blueberry crisp.

Here is my simple recipe:

1/4 cup melted butter

2 heaping tablespoons honey

approx. 1 cup almond meal

dash of salt

sprinkle of baking soda

and crumble over a few cups blueberries

bake at 350*F for 30-40 minutes.

It's one of those recipes where you can add much more of the almond meal

mixture, but I am trying not to overdue it on almond flour - my weakness.

YUMMY! Espeically cold the next day for breakfast!

I just made this same recipe last night over cherries we picked for $1.25/pound.

You have to love summer!

I am only 7 weeks into the diet, but as long as the fruit is well cooked I can

handle most of it just fine, espeically blueberries!

Oh, and I love to top the blueberry crisp with dripped SCD yogurt

Thanks,

SCD 7 weeks

> >Blueberries are like one of THE fruits that

> >agree with me! Heh.. Same as you though, I must

> >limit the amount of my fruit intake period or I

> >get the runs. Do you think it may have to do

> >with fruit being picked so ripe today instead of nature doing it's thang?

>

> Unless you're lucky to live near a blueberry

> farmer and can get them actually RIPE, it's

> probably an issue. I feel a yen for blueberry-pecan muffins coming on.

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

>

July 23, 2010

It might also be the calcium in the milk that's the problem. It seems like

calcium binds with everything.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

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>

> 2) Re: blueberries eaten with milk -- this article is also lacking in enough