Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 My OS: Dr. Tilghman, Baltimore, MD - Excellent surgeon, not great with communication My OD: Drs. and Bob Gillespie (Fraternal Twins), Bethesda, MD - EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. They are great with communication, They are ALWAYS on schedule (normally ahead of schedule), you are in and out much quicker than you think. They treated me from 3rd to 5th grade (8-10 years old), and they have treated me again from May of last year to present. I would recommend them to ANYONE! --- springbreaker123 wrote: > The problem with this group is that very few people > cite the oral > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the > orthodontist) when talking > about their experience. This forum is much less > useful without this > information. Experience is valuable but only if the > type of surgery is > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. > Otherwise it's > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a good > experience or not. > I hope people will give this information in the > future. Alternatively, > we can set up another forum for this type of > information. > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 People are not obliged to share that information, they choose to do so. The forum is not less useful in anyway because people don't explain every little detail and share doctors' names. This is a support group for those who will and/or have undergone orthognathic surgeries. If you want precise details about every little procedure possible, then I suggest you go to med school. Lay people like us don't necessarily want to know everything. Mia > The problem with this group is that very few people cite the oral > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the orthodontist) when talking > about their experience. This forum is much less useful without this > information. Experience is valuable but only if the type of surgery is > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. Otherwise it's > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a good experience or not. > I hope people will give this information in the future. Alternatively, > we can set up another forum for this type of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 " The goal of Orthognathic Surgery Support is to share knowledge and experience concerning this procedure, and to provide a greater means of educating prospective patients and their families. In addition, this group also supports the efforts of Zip-N-Squeeze products (www.zip-n-squeeze.com) in developing new and improved eating aids for post-surgical patients. " The above is stated by the group moderator. Notice the emphasis on sharing knowledge and eduction. What you are implying is in direct opposition to this. Nobody is obligated to do anything in this group. But people should be encouraged to share as much info as possible so people can help each other out and learn from each other. Sympathizing with other members about surgery is great, but if all this group is about is whining amongst each other it really doesn't give much back to its members. Finally, if you consider yourself a " lay person " as you call it, you should be finding out as much info about the procedure as possible. I shudder to think that someone would consider going through orthognathic surgery without doing thorough research on the pre and post surgery process. The most knowledgeable of people (doctors, etc.) already have most of this knowledge and as such do not need to do as much research. The onus is on the lay person to understand it. That is all. Hope your surgery went/goes well. --- bracessuck <no_reply > wrote: > People are not obliged to share that information, > they choose to do so. The > forum is not less useful in anyway because people > don't explain every little > detail and share doctors' names. This is a support > group for those who will > and/or have undergone orthognathic surgeries. If you > want precise details > about every little procedure possible, then I > suggest you go to med school. > Lay people like us don't necessarily want to know > everything. > > Mia > > > > The problem with this group is that very few > people cite the oral > > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the > orthodontist) when talking > > about their experience. This forum is much less > useful without this > > information. Experience is valuable but only if > the type of surgery is > > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. > Otherwise it's > > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a > good experience or not. > > I hope people will give this information in the > future. Alternatively, > > we can set up another forum for this type of > information. > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 springbreaker, i would be wary of writing OS's names when you are being critical of them. Perhaps direct emails to each other would be better. One can get cited for unlawful slander by just writing Dr. So and SO was crap on a public domain AND more importantly, each one of us will have had their own particular experience. Personally I use this site more as a support group not as a who's who of surgeons. For many of us it's comforting to know that there are other people out there going through the same thing and it helps to compare notes on the recovery process. At least for me, during recovery the challenges I faced had a lot more to do with how I felt moodwise and adjusting to a new bite and look than with who was my ortho and OS. Of course, it always helps to know which doctor is good and I think that when ever asked, members have never hesitated to offer recommendations and names. Just my 2 cents. Sara > The problem with this group is that very few people cite the oral > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the orthodontist) when talking > about their experience. This forum is much less useful without this > information. Experience is valuable but only if the type of surgery is > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. Otherwise it's > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a good experience or not. > I hope people will give this information in the future. Alternatively, > we can set up another forum for this type of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Mike, from the tone of your post I am guessing that you are only pre-op. You say " whining " ...mmmm, I'm going to try not to take offense to that but I look forward to hearing you NOT whine during your recovery. For many of us, having this site and having eachother to " whine " to helped tremendously be it because loved ones, colleagues or other people close to us who were not having the surgery just could not understand. Second on doing research pre-op, I think most of us will have done a fair amount of research. Personally I don't think getting a recommendation from someone on the Internet is the way to go forward in terms of finding a good doctor. Most of the time people will post a message saying " I am thinking of having surgery with Dr. So and So...has anyone else heard of him or had surgery with him? " Then the members who do have info about that doctor will come forward and share their experience. If it's a bad experience usually they email the author of the original post directly. Possibly because you haven't been on the site for very long you've missed out on the wealth of knowledge that is shared, whining aside. I suggest you check out the links that have been saved. Many members have continued to hang around long after their surgery just to provide other pre- opers with continued support. Very often people who come to this site are looking for some perspective from those of us who have already been through the surgery. I hope your research goes well and that you find the information you are seeking. Sara > > > The problem with this group is that very few > > people cite the oral > > > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the > > orthodontist) when talking > > > about their experience. This forum is much less > > useful without this > > > information. Experience is valuable but only if > > the type of surgery is > > > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. > > Otherwise it's > > > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a > > good experience or not. > > > I hope people will give this information in the > > future. Alternatively, > > > we can set up another forum for this type of > > information. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Sara and others, As a journalist by training and to some degree by trade, I totally agree about the potential for being sued for slander or libel. If you say nice things about someone, that's fine, but if you say something not nice, and it can be proven untrue and damaging in a court of law, you could be in big trouble. Luna > springbreaker, > > i would be wary of writing OS's names when you are being critical of > them. Perhaps direct emails to each other would be better. One can get > cited for unlawful slander by just writing Dr. So and SO was crap on a > public domain AND more importantly, each one of us will have had their > own particular experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Excellent points, Sara. I think we should take this group for what it is -- a great, first-person, unprofessional resource. There are other places to get recommendations for surgeons. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 > The problem with this group is that very few people cite the oral > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the orthodontist) when talking > about their experience. This forum is much less useful without this > information. Sara is right. This site is not about the who's who list of of doctors. And to say this group has a problem because of that is balderdash. go to aaoms.com if you want a list of doctors. Mia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 > The > onus is on the lay person to understand it. That is > all. Hope your surgery went/goes well. People are not required to do any research at all when they are undergoing a procedure. It is nice, of course, to look into things, but not everyone can nor is everyone willing to do so. Take the accident victim who has had multiple injuries and requires some surgery or else they will surely perish. Do you expect them to refuse to have anything done until they have had ample opportuinity to research the proposed operations? Your implying people should come right out and state their doctors names, procedures, etc. because inquiring minds want to know and that because not everyone does so, this site has *problems*. As I stated before, members are not obliged to do so. It is nice when they do, but it is their *choice*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Mike - Thank you for your excellent points you've made. I, for one, feel I need to know all there is to know about the procedure(s) I will be having done next summer. It also helps that I am in the medical profession and can decipher the medical terminology. My Surgeon truly supports my need to know all the details and feels I have done a great job educating myself about the surgery. He feels, as do I, that I will be very well prepared for my surgery when the time comes, and will be ready for the long post-surgery recuperation period. Both my doctors are located in Boise, Idaho. My OMS is Dr. , MD, DDS and he has been, so far, superb. He is patient, supportive, and explains things very well. He performed an extraction on me in May and was awesome. He is both an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon & Cosmetic Surgeon. My OD is Dr. Slattery, DDS and he is wonderful at explaining things and has been available by phone a few times to answer questions. (I have yet to be put in braces but so far Dr. Slattery has been great.) They both truly understand the huge undertaking this is for me (at age 47) and are there for me. Thanks again, Mike! ~~ Diane > > > The problem with this group is that very few > > people cite the oral > > > surgeon who worked on them (as well as the > > orthodontist) when talking > > > about their experience. This forum is much less > > useful without this > > > information. Experience is valuable but only if > > the type of surgery is > > > explained and the doctors names are mentioned. > > Otherwise it's > > > basically a crapshoot on whether you'll have a > > good experience or not. > > > I hope people will give this information in the > > future. Alternatively, > > > we can set up another forum for this type of > > information. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 You do realize that most people have about one year in orthodontic work before undergoing the surgery. There's no excuse to not do research. Are you saying that you would actually go into this surgery blind? That's absolutely ridiculous. The point about an ER trauma surgery is totally irrelevant. This is a surgey in which there is enormous preparation by two or in some cases several doctors. No, children cannot do research so the burden is on their parents/doctors to learn and teach them as much as possible. All I'm saying is this site could be more helpful. Maybe I should start another site if people aren't interested in offerring opinions. Before and after pictures are nice, but they're much less useful if we don't know the procedures done or the names of the docs. Maybe this info is out there, but it's not easy to find. There are many forums that openly praise and criticize doctors, and I highly doubt a doctor would go through the effort of suing someone on a yahoo message board although I suppose it is possible. If that is the case, using before/after pictures is a better, albeit more public way, of evaluating the work of the OS and OD and avoiding potential " libel and slander " . Again, not everyone has to do this, but to those that ARE willing I would like to encourage them. AND! to those that are not, that is fine and perfectly understandable. That's it. > > The > > onus is on the lay person to understand it. That is > > all. Hope your surgery went/goes well. > > > People are not required to do any research at all when they are undergoing a > procedure. It is nice, of course, to look into things, but not everyone can nor is > everyone willing to do so. Take the accident victim who has had multiple > injuries and requires some surgery or else they will surely perish. Do you > expect them to refuse to have anything done until they have had ample > opportuinity to research the proposed operations? > > Your implying people should come right out and state their doctors names, > procedures, etc. because inquiring minds want to know and that because not > everyone does so, this site has *problems*. As I stated before, members are > not obliged to do so. It is nice when they do, but it is their *choice*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Hi Springbreaker, I actually think it is a good idea to list the procedures and the name of the surgeon and location in the pictures section. You can't be sued for libel or slander for doing that! You have to tell untruths that are provable to be sued for libel. Listing your procedures and the name of the surgeon are not libel. And you can report your experience truthfully too. I wouldn't use terms describing the experience as harrassing or incompetent, but a blow by blow account, much like what we already do, is a great way to share. Putting a surgeon name to that experience is a good thing to share. On another (not orthognathic surgery) site I belong to, we list our procedures/dates and surgeon in what is called our signature. It automatically comes up whenever we post. It is not saying something bad about the surgeon, just letting people know who you have chosen. It is voluntary to add this information to your signature. So those who do not feel comfortable with adding one, do not have to do so. But it is available for those who do feel comfortable with sharing this information. I don't think people should be required to share it though. It would help with research. Especially when you are very new and are still looking for a surgeon who you can talk to current and former patients about their demeanor and outcomes. We do that anyway, and it would be a way to make researching this easier. Is it possible to check about having a signature option here? I am not trying to force anything here, but it could help with research for those who are interested in that for their inital decision. Who would we ask about this? Hugs, Fran > > > The > > > onus is on the lay person to understand it. That is > > > all. Hope your surgery went/goes well. > > > > > > People are not required to do any research at all when they are > undergoing a > > procedure. It is nice, of course, to look into things, but not > everyone can nor is > > everyone willing to do so. Take the accident victim who has had > multiple > > injuries and requires some surgery or else they will surely perish. > Do you > > expect them to refuse to have anything done until they have had ample > > opportuinity to research the proposed operations? > > > > Your implying people should come right out and state their doctors > names, > > procedures, etc. because inquiring minds want to know and that > because not > > everyone does so, this site has *problems*. As I stated before, > members are > > not obliged to do so. It is nice when they do, but it is their *choice*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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