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Helloooooooooooooo Graduates

My council of experts.

Today is my one-year anniversary. One year ago today I had lap rny with 150 cm

bypass for my 415 lb body with gallbladder removal thrown in for good measure.

(It was inflamed, enlarged and full of stones.) I was in the early stages of

sleep apnea, and had high blood pressure. No diabetes, but have it on both sides

of my family, along with heart disease. Foot problems galore and many

self-esteem issues. I was in very rough shape emotionally, and physically.

Like many, I had been overweight since about the age of 6. Pediatricians put me

on diets. Eat this, don't eat that. Like that ever worked for a hungry kid.

Every doctor put me on one ridiculous diet or another. From lists of do's and

don'ts, to Xenical. The biggest problem I had early on was I was growing very

rapidly. And with a couple of exceptions, I was very active. By the time I was

16, I was 6'5 " and hungry. As I got older, the activity slowed down a little,

and the gaining never ceased.

I did loose 100 lbs in the mid 80's through my own program of heavy weight

lifting and the over use of a stair-master. I even kept it off for about 5

years. Then slowly but surely, I gained it all back plus another 50 for good

measure.

A couple of good long doses of extreme stress and depression always helps.

It wasn't a tough decision to have this surgery.

I chose my doc based not only on his surgical skills, but his reasonable

program. Protein, water, exercise, and support groups. During pre-op evaluations

one consult was with a physical therapist. His patients are required to bring

dumbbells to the hospital. In my four-day stay, I was exercised twice. The big

macho guy I am, I brought two ten pounders. Can you say MISTAKE. His program

also includes weekly support group meetings. He has found that his most

successful patients are those who exercise and regularly attend support groups.

So I figured, I was personally paying this guy, I should at least do what he

says. The only problem I had was at about 4 or so months out, I was getting very

fatigued. I couldn't even get to the gym. I called the nutritionist. She told me

something that no one in my life ever said to me. " Eat more. "

She suggested having a shake before working out. That opened the whole world of

shakes and excellent nutrition. I got a pedometer, and just from walking alone,

I was burning close to 2k calories a day, plus the calories from weight lifting,

and I had a real big calorie deficit. Now, I do 4 a day, plus three meals.

I only dump on white carbs, but I don't crave them too much since surgery

anyway. Even my former cravings for sugar have somehow dissipated. Even late at

night, when it gets bad, and I can't stand another sugar free whatever, a good

ole chocolate shake just settles me down. I never realized how addicted I was to

white carbs and simple sugar. I could never figure out why if I had a great big

bowl of oatmeal, with low fat milk and fruit, I was hungry an hour later. Can

you say Duhh?

The only problems I have now, are a little low blood pressure, and an occasional

bout of low blood sugar. This Sunday was the worst yet. I think it might have

been a combination of not taking a long enough break from training resulting in

a condition known as over-training, and not eating enough to compensate. I ate a

little more, and felt a lot better. Go figure.

I started lurking on this list about 8 months ago, and consider all you

wonderful people as my council of experts. I don't think I could have gotten

this far without you and the good folks on the protein list. You folks, the men

and women in the trenches, those with day to day experience, were the one's I

wanted to listen to. I hope I can contribute and return all that I have gotten.

Now, for the important stuff, the stats. Starting weight; 415, BMI 50, Body-fat

40%. Now: 245, BMI 28, 18% body-fat. Pants went from 56/58 to 36/38, shirts,

from 3XL to L. I'm still 6'5 " , but my feet have narrowed just a little.

I'm unattached except for my yellow Lab mix. Not sure what the other parts of

him are maybe some northern pulling dog, maybe Malamute. I refer to his breed as

a backyard indiscretion. He is an enormous help with getting me up and walking

several times a day. For most of my life, I lived on Long Island. Two years ago,

I moved to beautiful Southern California.

Enough for now, except, I am the cover boy for my doc's web site. The after

picture is a little old, as I have since lost an additional 30 lbs since, and

will be updated shortly.

It is you folks who I really want to thank for my success. So again, Thank you

all.

Lap Rny 11/18/02

Dr. Oliak, Orange, CA

415/245

BMI 50/28

Cover boy at www.coastalobesity.com

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Welcome, & congratulations on your one year anniversary. I

look at your pics - amazing. I also agree - that this group is also

my council of experts.

Again, welcome

Lorraine

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> Helloooooooooooooo Graduates

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> My council of experts.

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> Today is my one-year anniversary. One year ago today I had lap rny

with 150 cm bypass for my 415 lb body with gallbladder removal thrown

in for good measure. (It was inflamed, enlarged and full of stones.)

I was in the early stages of sleep apnea, and had high blood

pressure. No diabetes, but have it on both sides of my family, along

with heart disease. Foot problems galore and many self-esteem issues.

I was in very rough shape emotionally, and physically.

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> Like many, I had been overweight since about the age of 6.

Pediatricians put me on diets. Eat this, don't eat that. Like that

ever worked for a hungry kid. Every doctor put me on one ridiculous

diet or another. From lists of do's and don'ts, to Xenical. The

biggest problem I had early on was I was growing very rapidly. And

with a couple of exceptions, I was very active. By the time I was 16,

I was 6'5 " and hungry. As I got older, the activity slowed down a

little, and the gaining never ceased.

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> I did loose 100 lbs in the mid 80's through my own program of heavy

weight lifting and the over use of a stair-master. I even kept it off

for about 5 years. Then slowly but surely, I gained it all back plus

another 50 for good measure.

>

> A couple of good long doses of extreme stress and depression always

helps.

>

> It wasn't a tough decision to have this surgery.

>

> I chose my doc based not only on his surgical skills, but his

reasonable program. Protein, water, exercise, and support groups.

During pre-op evaluations one consult was with a physical therapist.

His patients are required to bring dumbbells to the hospital. In my

four-day stay, I was exercised twice. The big macho guy I am, I

brought two ten pounders. Can you say MISTAKE. His program also

includes weekly support group meetings. He has found that his most

successful patients are those who exercise and regularly attend

support groups.

>

> So I figured, I was personally paying this guy, I should at least

do what he says. The only problem I had was at about 4 or so months

out, I was getting very fatigued. I couldn't even get to the gym. I

called the nutritionist. She told me something that no one in my life

ever said to me. " Eat more. "

>

> She suggested having a shake before working out. That opened the

whole world of shakes and excellent nutrition. I got a pedometer, and

just from walking alone, I was burning close to 2k calories a day,

plus the calories from weight lifting, and I had a real big calorie

deficit. Now, I do 4 a day, plus three meals.

>

> I only dump on white carbs, but I don't crave them too much since

surgery anyway. Even my former cravings for sugar have somehow

dissipated. Even late at night, when it gets bad, and I can't stand

another sugar free whatever, a good ole chocolate shake just settles

me down. I never realized how addicted I was to white carbs and

simple sugar. I could never figure out why if I had a great big bowl

of oatmeal, with low fat milk and fruit, I was hungry an hour later.

Can you say Duhh?

>

> The only problems I have now, are a little low blood pressure, and

an occasional bout of low blood sugar. This Sunday was the worst yet.

I think it might have been a combination of not taking a long enough

break from training resulting in a condition known as over-training,

and not eating enough to compensate. I ate a little more, and felt a

lot better. Go figure.

>

> I started lurking on this list about 8 months ago, and consider all

you wonderful people as my council of experts. I don't think I could

have gotten this far without you and the good folks on the protein

list. You folks, the men and women in the trenches, those with day to

day experience, were the one's I wanted to listen to. I hope I can

contribute and return all that I have gotten.

>

> Now, for the important stuff, the stats. Starting weight; 415, BMI

50, Body-fat 40%. Now: 245, BMI 28, 18% body-fat. Pants went from

56/58 to 36/38, shirts, from 3XL to L. I'm still 6'5 " , but my feet

have narrowed just a little.

>

> I'm unattached except for my yellow Lab mix. Not sure what the

other parts of him are maybe some northern pulling dog, maybe

Malamute. I refer to his breed as a backyard indiscretion. He is an

enormous help with getting me up and walking several times a day. For

most of my life, I lived on Long Island. Two years ago, I moved to

beautiful Southern California.

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> Enough for now, except, I am the cover boy for my doc's web site.

The after picture is a little old, as I have since lost an additional

30 lbs since, and will be updated shortly.

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> It is you folks who I really want to thank for my success. So

again, Thank you all.

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Welcome, ! It will be nice to have another guy to keep all us women

in line. LOL Good LUCK to you! And a dog lover too. Can't beat it! I am

thinking that us doggy lovers are starting to out number the kitty lovers.

<grin>

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

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GO DOGGIES!!!! (not that anything is wrong w/kitties)

Diane

> Welcome, ! It will be nice to have another guy to keep all

us women

> in line. LOL Good LUCK to you! And a dog lover too. Can't beat it!

I am

> thinking that us doggy lovers are starting to out number the kitty

lovers.

> <grin>

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> Debbie &

> in Gig Harbor

> (170cm medial)

> ladybostons@p...

> http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

> http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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Welcome !

I found physical results to be fantastic, and I can still get all choked up

about the emotional relief from years of suffering the weirdness of obesity

and self-deprecation for not being " normal. "

in Austin

RNY April 1998

My council of experts.

> Helloooooooooooooo Graduates

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In a message dated 11/19/2003 12:35:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

Reba I would LOVE to get a cat! But my crazy pug, the doggycidal maniac,

HATES all other animals. She goes berserk whenever she sees another creature,

even on TV! She barks at the TV when an animal comes on, EVEN CARTOON

ANIMALS! I am NOT kidding! Years back we tried to watch that picture about

the

pig (can't remember the name) and she almost LOST her mind! Did you ever see

a pug in a straight jacket? Well, even in restraints, they're still cute!

LMAO!

Kiss your critters for me (except for that one on your ankle)!

Lucille

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> Can't we love both, LOL!

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> Reba (owner of 5 dogs & 2 cats with a cat tatoo on my ankle!)

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Yes, I think so.

Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by. (And yes,

I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in pain & at least

13 yrs old, yellow lab)

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Re: My council of experts.

> Can't we love both, LOL!

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> Reba (owner of 5 dogs & 2 cats with a cat tatoo on my ankle!)

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> > GO DOGGIES!!!! (not that anything is wrong w/kitties)

> > Diane

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> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Oh, I'm so sorry, & Don! The last time I had to do that, it

hurt so bad that it took me 7 years to get another doggie. My

deepest sympathy.

Hugs,

in NJ

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> Yes, I think so.

>

> Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by.

(And yes, I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in

pain & at least 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

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> Thanks,

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> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

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Oh, I am sorry you had to go through that. We had to do

the same to our 13 year old Lab/Boxer mix who looked like a great

big black Lab. She was the best dog ever. Now we have a 3 year old

golden. Sorry for your loss.

Diane

LAP RNY 9/99

> Yes, I think so.

>

> Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by.

(And yes,

> I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in pain &

at least

> 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

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> Thanks,

>

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> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

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dear, I am so sorry!! My pups are my babies (since my skin kids

are grown) and I know how awful it is to loose one. I lost my 18 year

old pup shortly after my first hubby died - it was awful, but I found

comfort in this:

************************************************************************

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Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that

pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our

special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of

food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and

vigor. Those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again,

just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The

animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each

miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly

stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager

body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the

green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally

meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again.

The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the

beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet,

so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

Re: My council of experts.

Oh, I am sorry you had to go through that. We had to do

the same to our 13 year old Lab/Boxer mix who looked like a great

big black Lab. She was the best dog ever. Now we have a 3 year old

golden. Sorry for your loss.

Diane

LAP RNY 9/99

> Yes, I think so.

>

> Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by.

(And yes,

> I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in pain &

at least

> 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

> > >

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Tina was the last of 3 we rescued (separately) in 1992. All were adults. It

marked the end of an era.

I am not a good home for a doggie right now. Have never NOT had a dog,

actually. I can't give one the attention it needs. My staff and walk-ins

gave her LOTS of attention, but she got only minimal (I thought) from me.

Lots from Don. You can see the whole guilt thing going, right? She'd had a

non-cancerous tumor for 3 yrs and we'd medicated her to the hilt,. as well

as having the tumor made smaller (de-bulking, 3 times, I think) so she

could eat with ease. I could not keep subjecting her to the anesthesia, and

the pain never really went away, it just got better or worse.

Yes, it was very hard. But our dogless condition is not because we have

loved and lost, but because we just are not a great place for dogs right

now.

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> Oh, I'm so sorry, & Don! The last time I had to do that, it

> hurt so bad that it took me 7 years to get another doggie. My

> deepest sympathy.

>

> Hugs,

> in NJ

> **********************

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> > Yes, I think so.

> >

> > Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by.

> (And yes, I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in

> pain & at least 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

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> > Thanks,

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> > Vitalady, Inc. T

> > www.vitalady.com

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> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Thank you Amber. That was really beautiful and comforting. It brought tear

to my eyes. I have a 13 year old dog, and I hate the idea of him leaving me

someday. This helps.

Barbara Jean

RE: Re: My council of experts.

> dear, I am so sorry!! My pups are my babies (since my skin kids

> are grown) and I know how awful it is to loose one. I lost my 18 year

> old pup shortly after my first hubby died - it was awful, but I found

> comfort in this:

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Happened to my old kitty a few weeks ago. He had cancer. Still

miss him. My heart goes out to you.

Reba

> Yes, I think so.

>

> Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by.

(And yes,

> I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in pain &

at least

> 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

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--On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:46 PM +0000

Graduate-OSSG wrote:

> Owner of both until a week ago. Now 4 cats only. Or am owned by. (And

> yes, I miss her, and no, there was no other choice---she was in pain & at

> least 13 yrs old, yellow lab)

I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. That is always such a difficult but

loving choice to have to make. I know it leaves a big hole when they go

because I've lost so many dear furred friends in my lifetime.

In sympathy,

Sally

298 (BMI 49)/-142/156

Goal: 145-150ish

lap RNY 7/10/02

Dr. Quinlin/Pittsburgh

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