Re: Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the horror

[Guest guest]

Tomatoes are pretty high in sugar. Maybe it was the tomatoe soup? Just

a guess though.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/347/hoping for close to 200

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:17:43 EST DisDog@... writes:

> I saw when said this too and wondered what is it about that

> combination that you (either of you) think made you dump?

> Lucille

[Guest guest]

Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not pour a

large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

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Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the horror

> I saw when said this too and wondered what is it about that

> combination that you (either of you) think made you dump?

>

> Lucille

>

>

> In a message dated 11/12/2003 2:31:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> > In a message dated 11/9/2003 11:00:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > vitalady@... writes:

> > like grilled cheese + tomato soup! But I have dumped on that combo!

LOL!

> > I must approach with caution

> >

> > Same here and I rarely dump..but then I don't push the envelope all that

> > often either.

> >

> > One of my worst dumping episodes in almost five years was from Grilled

> > Cheese

> > and Tomato Soup! Love it but not going there again.

> >

> > Bill in WV

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your tolerance level is way up there, by our stds. They want us at SIX g per

meal. Per MEAL. Of course, mine is not that tight any more.

You had what I call Stage 1 dumping--- the sleepies. Next I would feel very

dry mouth, cold hands & feet (like I have anything else now with

Raynaud's!), then heart palpitations, nausea. Usually not vomiting because

the reaction occurs when it hits the intestine. And by then, it is TOO LATE

to fetch it back.

Yeah, I could not eat that bfast. The milk alone is 12g of sugar, then add

the berries and the cereal. <thud> I'd be unconscious. I do eat some cereals

with non-dairy creamer, just a dab (never did like my cereal to have to

swim), and even so, sometimes I OD. Also, I can OD on air in the morning. I

really need to have some solid food on board (that's after protein supp, of

course) before I hit anything with many carbs. That's the only time of day

I'm " total carb " sensitive.

Thin how I do in motels with the continental bfast. The bigger the facility,

the more carbs they display! LOL!

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Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the horror

> This whole " dumping " thing confuses me. Don't laugh or roll your eyes

> (everyone) but actually I am not sure if I have dumped, or if there are

different

> " types " of dumping? Here's why I say this: Mt. Sinai warned that

dumping

> could be caused by sugar and/or fat consumption, and that anywhere from 15

> minutes to an hour after eating something problematic one might experience

extreme

> nausea, palpitations, weakness, sweatiness, even vomiting (I think).

> Everyone seems to say it is a miserable experience, so I wouldn't think I

would

> mistake it if and when it happened. So these extremely unpleasant

reactions have

> never happened to me, as I am pretty careful not to eat above 20 grams of

sugar

> at one sitting (which seems a safe limit for me), and I don't over do fats

> either. BUT I have had a few times where soon after eating I have felt

very

> sleepy. Usually it was after a breakfast of cereal with skim milk and

> strawberries (sugar?) or a my old lunch of Detour bar and a big bowl of

blueberries.

> Is that dumping, sort of?

>

> Every so often I think maybe I'll eat something decadent and see what

> happens, but I hate the idea of making myself " sick " so I haven't pushed

the sugar

> envelope, yet. Truthfully, I am more reluctant to find out that maybe I

WON'T

> dump. Just the threat of dumping is & has been a big big deterrant to

me.

> So that's why I was curious about what it could have been in the

combination

> of tomato soup & grilled cheese sandwich that made a couple of people

dump.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2003 8:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> >

> >

> > Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not

pour a

> > large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so glad to hear that somebody else has these same symptoms!!! I had a

cup of cappuccino yesterday at work to try to get me through the afternoon

(actually I only use about 1/4 cappuccino and the rest coffee due to the

sweetness) and normally I do okay but within about 2 minutes my head almost

hit my keyboard... it took me about 30 minutes to come out of my stupor and

by then it was time to leave! Oh well I guess it did work it got me through

the rest of the day!!! LOL

-- Re: Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the

horror

Your tolerance level is way up there, by our stds. They want us at SIX g per

meal. Per MEAL. Of course, mine is not that tight any more.

You had what I call Stage 1 dumping--- the sleepies. Next I would feel very

dry mouth, cold hands & feet (like I have anything else now with

Raynaud's!), then heart palpitations, nausea. Usually not vomiting because

the reaction occurs when it hits the intestine. And by then, it is TOO LATE

to fetch it back.

Yeah, I could not eat that bfast. The milk alone is 12g of sugar, then add

the berries and the cereal. <thud> I'd be unconscious. I do eat some cereals

with non-dairy creamer, just a dab (never did like my cereal to have to

swim), and even so, sometimes I OD. Also, I can OD on air in the morning. I

really need to have some solid food on board (that's after protein supp, of

course) before I hit anything with many carbs. That's the only time of day

I'm " total carb " sensitive.

Thin how I do in motels with the continental bfast. The bigger the facility,

the more carbs they display! LOL!

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the horror

> This whole " dumping " thing confuses me. Don't laugh or roll your eyes

> (everyone) but actually I am not sure if I have dumped, or if there are

different

> " types " of dumping? Here's why I say this: Mt. Sinai warned that

dumping

> could be caused by sugar and/or fat consumption, and that anywhere from 15

> minutes to an hour after eating something problematic one might experience

extreme

> nausea, palpitations, weakness, sweatiness, even vomiting (I think).

> Everyone seems to say it is a miserable experience, so I wouldn't think I

would

> mistake it if and when it happened. So these extremely unpleasant

reactions have

> never happened to me, as I am pretty careful not to eat above 20 grams of

sugar

> at one sitting (which seems a safe limit for me), and I don't over do fats

> either. BUT I have had a few times where soon after eating I have felt

very

> sleepy. Usually it was after a breakfast of cereal with skim milk and

> strawberries (sugar?) or a my old lunch of Detour bar and a big bowl of

blueberries.

> Is that dumping, sort of?

>

> Every so often I think maybe I'll eat something decadent and see what

> happens, but I hate the idea of making myself " sick " so I haven't pushed

the sugar

> envelope, yet. Truthfully, I am more reluctant to find out that maybe I

WON'T

> dump. Just the threat of dumping is & has been a big big deterrant to

me.

> So that's why I was curious about what it could have been in the

combination

> of tomato soup & grilled cheese sandwich that made a couple of people

dump.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2003 8:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> >

> >

> > Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not

pour a

> > large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/2003 2:47:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

watnext@... writes:

am obsessed with Ken's Lite Raspberry Walnut Dressing (6 grams

sugar per 2T serving, and I generally have 4Ts on my huge salads).

I am slavish to this dressing! I could chug it if I wasn't trying

to behave myself! LOL! I think this is a truism: NEVER get

> between a girl and her favorite salad dressing!

>

> Lucille

=========================================

This is the best salad dressing ever.

Fay Bayuk

**300/169

10/23/01

Dr.

Open RNY 150 cm

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[Guest guest]

i get real sleepy after eating as well, is that related to our wls?

also i have a lump on my throid 3inches worth which the doctor wants to

shrink with medication, does anyone know if medication will work for us wls

folks?

janice

Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the

horror

This whole " dumping " thing confuses me. Don't laugh or roll your eyes

(everyone) but actually I am not sure if I have dumped, or if there are

different

" types " of dumping? Here's why I say this: Mt. Sinai warned that

dumping

could be caused by sugar and/or fat consumption, and that anywhere from 15

minutes to an hour after eating something problematic one might experience

extreme

nausea, palpitations, weakness, sweatiness, even vomiting (I think).

Everyone seems to say it is a miserable experience, so I wouldn't think I

would

mistake it if and when it happened. So these extremely unpleasant reactions

have

never happened to me, as I am pretty careful not to eat above 20 grams of

sugar

at one sitting (which seems a safe limit for me), and I don't over do fats

either. BUT I have had a few times where soon after eating I have felt

very

sleepy. Usually it was after a breakfast of cereal with skim milk and

strawberries (sugar?) or a my old lunch of Detour bar and a big bowl of

blueberries.

Is that dumping, sort of?

Every so often I think maybe I'll eat something decadent and see what

happens, but I hate the idea of making myself " sick " so I haven't pushed the

sugar

envelope, yet. Truthfully, I am more reluctant to find out that maybe I

WON'T

dump. Just the threat of dumping is & has been a big big deterrant to me.

So that's why I was curious about what it could have been in the combination

of tomato soup & grilled cheese sandwich that made a couple of people dump.

Lucille

In a message dated 11/13/2003 8:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not pour

a

> large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wow i get sleepy after meals and sometimes dry mouth and cold hands, had no

idea that was related to dumping!

do not vomit though

thanks for info

janice

Re: Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup

--the horror

Your tolerance level is way up there, by our stds. They want us at SIX g per

meal. Per MEAL. Of course, mine is not that tight any more.

You had what I call Stage 1 dumping--- the sleepies. Next I would feel very

dry mouth, cold hands & feet (like I have anything else now with

Raynaud's!), then heart palpitations, nausea. Usually not vomiting because

the reaction occurs when it hits the intestine. And by then, it is TOO LATE

to fetch it back.

Yeah, I could not eat that bfast. The milk alone is 12g of sugar, then add

the berries and the cereal. <thud> I'd be unconscious. I do eat some cereals

with non-dairy creamer, just a dab (never did like my cereal to have to

swim), and even so, sometimes I OD. Also, I can OD on air in the morning. I

really need to have some solid food on board (that's after protein supp, of

course) before I hit anything with many carbs. That's the only time of day

I'm " total carb " sensitive.

Thin how I do in motels with the continental bfast. The bigger the facility,

the more carbs they display! LOL!

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the horror

> This whole " dumping " thing confuses me. Don't laugh or roll your eyes

> (everyone) but actually I am not sure if I have dumped, or if there are

different

> " types " of dumping? Here's why I say this: Mt. Sinai warned that

dumping

> could be caused by sugar and/or fat consumption, and that anywhere from 15

> minutes to an hour after eating something problematic one might experience

extreme

> nausea, palpitations, weakness, sweatiness, even vomiting (I think).

> Everyone seems to say it is a miserable experience, so I wouldn't think I

would

> mistake it if and when it happened. So these extremely unpleasant

reactions have

> never happened to me, as I am pretty careful not to eat above 20 grams of

sugar

> at one sitting (which seems a safe limit for me), and I don't over do fats

> either. BUT I have had a few times where soon after eating I have felt

very

> sleepy. Usually it was after a breakfast of cereal with skim milk and

> strawberries (sugar?) or a my old lunch of Detour bar and a big bowl of

blueberries.

> Is that dumping, sort of?

>

> Every so often I think maybe I'll eat something decadent and see what

> happens, but I hate the idea of making myself " sick " so I haven't pushed

the sugar

> envelope, yet. Truthfully, I am more reluctant to find out that maybe I

WON'T

> dump. Just the threat of dumping is & has been a big big deterrant to

me.

> So that's why I was curious about what it could have been in the

combination

> of tomato soup & grilled cheese sandwich that made a couple of people

dump.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2003 8:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> >

> >

> > Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not

pour a

> > large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok i am dumb

never knew that sleeping after a meal was a form of dumping!!!

so how do i avoid that?

and no i dont eat sugar other than fructose form in fruit

i mean i pass out!

janice

Re:Re: Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup

--the horror

, I did some recalculation after I posted what I thought was my 20

gram ceiling and realized it was more like 14 grams (the amount in one Edy's

Coconut Bar!), which is still apparently generous by " popular " standards.

But I

can do this and not get the stage one dumping sleepies. At least I know

that there is SOME limit to the amount of sugar I can consume. Sometimes

the

fear of dumping is the only thing which keeps me away from the Entenmann's

display at the supermarket.

Because of this list, I have long since abandoned my old Detour/blueberry

lunch, and substituted UNsweetened soy milk for the skim milk in my cereal,

so no

more sleepies there either. Actually, because of this list, I have been

alot more careful about sugar consumption and I have to say I have found it

makes

a difference in handling cravings. About the only thing I haven't been

able

to modify is my choice in salad dressing: I am obsessed with Ken's Lite

Raspberry Walnut Dressing (6 grams sugar per 2T serving, and I generally

have 4Ts

on my huge salads). I am slavish to this dressing! I could chug it if I

wasn't trying to behave myself! LOL! I think this is a truism: NEVER

get

between a girl and her favorite salad dressing!

Lucille

In a message dated 11/14/2003 9:25:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> Your tolerance level is way up there, by our stds. They want us at SIX g

per

> meal. Per MEAL. Of course, mine is not that tight any more.

>

> You had what I call Stage 1 dumping--- the sleepies. Next I would feel

very

> dry mouth, cold hands & feet (like I have anything else now with

> Raynaud's!), then heart palpitations, nausea. Usually not vomiting because

> the reaction occurs when it hits the intestine. And by then, it is TOO

LATE

> to fetch it back.

>

> Yeah, I could not eat that bfast. The milk alone is 12g of sugar, then add

> the berries and the cereal. <thud> I'd be unconscious. I do eat some

cereals

> with non-dairy creamer, just a dab (never did like my cereal to have to

> swim), and even so, sometimes I OD. Also, I can OD on air in the morning.

I

> really need to have some solid food on board (that's after protein supp,

of

> course) before I hit anything with many carbs. That's the only time of day

> I'm " total carb " sensitive.

>

> Thin how I do in motels with the continental bfast. The bigger the

facility,

> the more carbs they display! LOL!

>

>

[Guest guest]

ha i went to the doctor yesterday and they nurse asked me if my blood

pressure runs low normally

and i smiled, used to have high blood pressure a year ago!!!!

hehehehe

janice

Re: Re:Re: Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato

Soup --the horror

In a message dated 11/15/2003 2:47:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

watnext@... writes:

am obsessed with Ken's Lite Raspberry Walnut Dressing (6 grams

sugar per 2T serving, and I generally have 4Ts on my huge salads).

I am slavish to this dressing! I could chug it if I wasn't trying

to behave myself! LOL! I think this is a truism: NEVER get

> between a girl and her favorite salad dressing!

>

> Lucille

=========================================

This is the best salad dressing ever.

Fay Bayuk

**300/169

10/23/01

Dr.

Open RNY 150 cm

Click for My Profile

http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

[Guest guest]

Do you sip with meals? Do you count sugar g?

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Vitalady, Inc. T

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Re: Re: Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup --the

> horror

>

>

> This whole " dumping " thing confuses me. Don't laugh or roll your eyes

> (everyone) but actually I am not sure if I have dumped, or if there are

> different

> " types " of dumping? Here's why I say this: Mt. Sinai warned that

> dumping

> could be caused by sugar and/or fat consumption, and that anywhere from 15

> minutes to an hour after eating something problematic one might experience

> extreme

> nausea, palpitations, weakness, sweatiness, even vomiting (I think).

> Everyone seems to say it is a miserable experience, so I wouldn't think I

> would

> mistake it if and when it happened. So these extremely unpleasant

reactions

> have

> never happened to me, as I am pretty careful not to eat above 20 grams of

> sugar

> at one sitting (which seems a safe limit for me), and I don't over do fats

> either. BUT I have had a few times where soon after eating I have felt

> very

> sleepy. Usually it was after a breakfast of cereal with skim milk and

> strawberries (sugar?) or a my old lunch of Detour bar and a big bowl of

> blueberries.

> Is that dumping, sort of?

>

> Every so often I think maybe I'll eat something decadent and see what

> happens, but I hate the idea of making myself " sick " so I haven't pushed

the

> sugar

> envelope, yet. Truthfully, I am more reluctant to find out that maybe I

> WON'T

> dump. Just the threat of dumping is & has been a big big deterrant to

me.

> So that's why I was curious about what it could have been in the

combination

> of tomato soup & grilled cheese sandwich that made a couple of people

dump.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2003 8:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> >

> >

> > Tomato soup + bread, I'm guessing. I just have to be careful and not

pour

> a

> > large bowl of soup. One liil sandwich and not graze them.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>