Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom telling him white food can be bad. His plan is very simple - 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white food is wisdom to live by. It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can have it, as long as they have it in the morning. Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No White rule. ~~ Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Very interesting. ... Back in the 70's my mom took me to a " bariatric " doctor. I took meds that he gave out but I don't think any were amphetamines. I don't know. ... but the diet part was simple to remember very similar. No whites... including what some call good carbs like potatoes. No sugars including honey and the so-called healthy sugars. I think fruit was okay. Don't remember that one. Milk never to drink ... just to add to coffee. Don't take seconds. He told me to buy the Canadian Air Force Exercise program booklet. (I don't even know if it is still around) Oh and I had to take a good multiple vitamin daily. I felt wonderful while on the program and was rarely sick. Lost a lot of weight quickly which I maintained for 5 years until I got married and went on birth control pills and some other negative things going on. I also moved out of the area. I wouldn't be surprised if the pills turned out to be placebos. (They looked like M & M's and were different colors after different meals and changed every two weeks) Funny how I remember all the " bad " things about what didn't work but forgot the things that did work. Thanks for reminding me. No White at Night > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom telling him white food can be bad. > > His plan is very simple - > 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. > 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. > 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. > > That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white food is wisdom to live by. > > It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can have it, as long as they have it in the morning. > > Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No White rule. > > ~~ Lyn > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Now see, I don't consider potatoes to be a good carb. It turns to sugar to fast in the blood stream. I would consider vegetables (excluding potatoes, corn, and peas) as well as most fruit to be the good carbs. They are the complex carbs and they have a different effect on our blood sugar. Our bodies naturally process them slower. JMHO. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce 479/347/hoping for close to 200 On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:14 -0500 " raggedy " writes: > very similar. No whites... including what some call good carbs like > potatoes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Wow. I LIKE that. Since a feature of our disease is night munchies, that would help a lot. Then people would not feel as deprived (pasta for lunch), AND not egged onto the munchies with the carbs. Interesting concept. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com No White at Night > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom telling him white food can be bad. > > His plan is very simple - > 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. > 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. > 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. > > That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white food is wisdom to live by. > > It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can have it, as long as they have it in the morning. > > Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No White rule. > > ~~ Lyn > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Oh I don't consider potatoes as good carbs either. But some of the " normies " do. hehehehe. I was not allowed to have rice either. Truthfully too I think not eating all that junk was what made me less tired although there are some in my family who think it was the meds. We will never know. I do know I didn't have that " buzz " that people supposedly got from appetite supressants back in the day. I fell asleep without a problem and got a good night's sleep. Re: No White at Night > Now see, I don't consider potatoes to be a good carb. It turns to sugar > to fast in the blood stream. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 So whats the difference between having white carbs in the am or at night?? I don't get it...this she says as she munches on mini pretzels at 6 pm!! cindy in VA lap RNY 2/8/02 > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom telling him white food can be bad. > > His plan is very simple - > 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. > 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. > 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. > > That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white food is wisdom to live by. > > It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can have it, as long as they have it in the morning. > > Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No White rule. > > ~~ Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 An excerpt from: http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/nmendosagi.htm " The problem is that even among the complex carbohydrates not all are created equal. Some break down quickly during digestion and can raise blood glucose to dangerous levels. These are the foods that have higher glycemic indexes. Other carbohydrates break down more slowly, releasing glucose gradually into our blood streams and are said to have lower glycemic indexes. " If one can not burn off the carb fast enough, those carbs actually turn your system into storing them as fat. White Flour based carbs have fairly high glycemic indexes. So I'm guessing his theory could be that you are most active during the day and can burn it off better than at night. I do believe that some ppl have something in side them that regulates their reaction to carbs so their reaction to these high glycemic foods are not drastic like some of us, but in some ppl this regulator is broken. It was in me and that is why I watch my white flour carbs. I really don't watch my other carbs and I do not carb count since I eliminate sugary carbs like candy etc, not much is left but my veggies/fruit. In college, my roommate and I had the same job and the exact same classes. So we got the same exercise daily. I would eat half of what my roommate would eat, and my roommate would lose 5 lbs and I would gain it. Most of my college food? Top ramen and pasta and sandwiches. Cheapest thing we could get. Now of course there are other factors, muscle, metabolism etc..but while I was sleeping from the dinner, my roommate felt ok, maybe not as good as my roommate would have if we had had a more nutritious dinner. White carbs are just not my staple in my diet and I feel so much better. I can't believe I put 4 garlic croutons on my salad when I would have eaten the entire box in prolly 2 sittings before. I've had my croutons for like a month. Sherra Re: No White at Night > So whats the difference between having white carbs in the am or at > night?? I don't get it...this she says as she munches on mini > pretzels at 6 pm!! > > cindy in VA > lap RNY 2/8/02 > > > > > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) > doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins > didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he > wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which > he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after > lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom > telling him white food can be bad. > > > > His plan is very simple - > > 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. > > 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. > > 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. > > > > That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a > couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. > The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white > food is wisdom to live by. > > > > It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course > are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can > have it, as long as they have it in the morning. > > > > Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No > White rule. > > > > ~~ Lyn > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 But look at how long we thought that a baked potato with diet butter and low yogurt on top was a healthy meal!! At least I did. My favorite fast food diet lunch was a 's baked potato with chili on top. No butter, no sour cream, no cheese, just the potato and chili. I don't completely avoid potatoes (they're not a trigger food for me), but I rarely make a meal out of one. Sometimes I'll still have my " diet lunch " at 's even, but now it's because I like it. And I make sure that there's butter on the potato and sour cream & cheese on top of everything. ---------------------------------------- Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.com http://www.5dollarhosting.com .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! Re: No White at Night Oh I don't consider potatoes as good carbs either. But some of the " normies " do. hehehehe. I was not allowed to have rice either. Truthfully too I think not eating all that junk was what made me less tired although there are some in my family who think it was the meds. We will never know. I do know I didn't have that " buzz " that people supposedly got from appetite supressants back in the day. I fell asleep without a problem and got a good night's sleep. Re: No White at Night > Now see, I don't consider potatoes to be a good carb. It turns to sugar > to fast in the blood stream. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003 Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Trigger or not a trigger? And whether calories can burn after we slow down for the night. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: No White at Night > So whats the difference between having white carbs in the am or at > night?? I don't get it...this she says as she munches on mini > pretzels at 6 pm!! > > cindy in VA > lap RNY 2/8/02 > > > > > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) > doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins > didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he > wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which > he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after > lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom > telling him white food can be bad. > > > > His plan is very simple - > > 1. Eat 3 meals a day, with protein as the main feature in each one. > > 2. Exercise for 30 minutes a day, even it if its a leisurely walk. > > 3. Don't eat white food (starches & carbs) after lunch. > > > > That's it! I don't know about the 3 meals -- in my case, at least a > couple of times a day between those meals, I'd need a protein shake. > The 30 minutes of walking certainly wouldn't hurt. And the no white > food is wisdom to live by. > > > > It's not bad, it's not drastic, and for his patients, who of course > are normies, if they really GOTTA have that piece of cake, they can > have it, as long as they have it in the morning. > > > > Just thought I'd share, because I was especially taken by the No > White rule. > > > > ~~ Lyn > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 My folks sent me to a " bariatric " doc, too, but I KNOW he gave me amphetamines, and laxatives, and diuretics, and heaven knows what else. Lost all of 40 lbs until I started seeing things that weren't there. Mom decided then that we needed to see the doc...his reaction was " Oh well, I have had patients see chariots coming down their stair case and they live in a one story house. " Needless to say, I didn't go back. (and gained all 40 lbs plus back). Reba > Very interesting. ... > > Back in the 70's my mom took me to a " bariatric " doctor. I took meds that > he gave out but I don't think any were amphetamines. I don't know. ... but > the diet part was simple to remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 LOL makes me think of an expression my Dad likes to say. Bear in mind that my Dad is sorta a good old boy Wisconsin millwright (also a diabetic) " Da whiter da bread, da sooner you're dead! " This thread just made me think of that... > > > > > I was watching the news last night, and they had a local (Olympia) > > doctor, a cardiologist, who had gained some weight but decided Atkins > > didn't work for him because it was too restrictive of carbs, but he > > wanted to stay higher on protein and lower on carbs. His plan, which > > he has written (of course) is called No White at Night -- after > > lunch, no white carbs. I had to chuckle, I could just hear VitaMom > > telling him white food can be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 > So whats the difference between having white carbs in the am or at > night?? I don't get it...this she says as she munches on mini > pretzels at 6 pm!! Well, I don't know what kind of backup he has, but the doc's assertion is that we process carbs differently at night than we do during the day, and they all end up as fat. Maybe it's the activity level. I remember my dad lost a bunch of weight once by just cutting down on his evening meal -- and he didn't really cut calories overall -- he started having his main meal of the day at noon, (full supper type of meal) and his evening meal was what he used to have for lunch. It made a lot of difference, and he lost the pounds. (Hm, I should suggest he try that again, he's struggling with weight). I figure hey, it's worth a try. It can't hurt anything any worse than where I am now! ~~ Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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