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> Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking about

> is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

>

> Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going through

> an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's just

> general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with these

> feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to realize

> that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day. But

> they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well, tomorrow will

> be another day.

>

> I never was good at diets. I found they had the opposite effect on

> me because they made me focus so much on food; what I was eating,

> when, how much, what was permissible, guilt at slips, obsession with

> the scale, etc.

>

> I really want to be free from the food obsession and see food as a

> means to fueling my body. If I can enjoy it too, that's a plus. But

> I can't get into these sugar free syrups, candies, ice cream, f/f

> cheeses, snacks, etc.. It makes me absolutely loopy. And that's

> just me. Everyone has their own way to work it. For me, avoidance

> is much easier to handle than substitution.

>

I have a similar problem. Don't want the substitutions. I would rather

learn to not focus on the food so much. I hate dieting for a lot of the same

reasons. Another reason why I am so happy to use the protein shakes.

Sometimes I have to delete a message when I glance and see that it is full

of a lot of references to food. Maybe we could start to put something in

our subject lines saying specific foods mentioned.

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> Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking about

> is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

> Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going through

> an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's just

> general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with these

> feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to realize

> that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day. But

> they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well, tomorrow

> will be another day.

Vicki,

I do understand this. It seems that several of the sites I am on

have been focused on food lately. I don't know about anyone else, but I

always seem a little more uncomfortable, depressed, something this time

of year. It usually starts around Halloween and ends sometime after

Valentines Day. Part of it is that this weather always makes me think of

certain kinds of food. Then there is the holidays which again use to be

so focused on food. I still remember the food we had at my grandparents

every Christmas and Thanksgiving. I keep thinking that I want these

Hallmark moments you always see in the commercials. Fortunately, the

older I get, the less I worry about being " perfect " and the more I enjoy

family but I still get in those truly funky moods.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/347/hoping for close to 200

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Food? I don't watch TV, but am bombarded with it. On the radio, in the

paper. My dad watched TV now, and I pass thru the room or hear it from

another room.

Food, food, food. Here, we kinda go in spurts talking about food. But

during the holidays in real life? Think in terms of a MOUNTAINS of food

being pushed at us (all). Unless you live in a void, it is inescapable.

I divide foods into 2 piles, pretty much. Stuff that wont' hurt me, stuff

that will. I don't rate things by calories or " popular " theories. I rate

them by if they will make me feel bad (spaghetti noodles), make me dump

(oatmeal), OR make me fat (includes all sugars, but most especially hidden

ones). Good foods sit easy, do not trigger any guilt and make me feel as if

I've taken a step forward. Of course, I don't always have time to be all

that picky, but I'm just not going to DO " bad " foods.

And you see, it is very personal to me. Oatmeal is not poisonous, except to

me. I am reasonably impervious to the food ads, because I know what I like

and what likes me. I can watch stuff on TV (it draws me like a magnet when I

get too close), and then go have baked potato and spinach, which generates

good pouch & emotional things for me. Or lately, SALAD. In the winter.

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Give me a break!

> Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking about

> is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

>

> Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going through

> an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's just

> general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with these

> feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to realize

> that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day. But

> they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well, tomorrow will

> be another day.

>

> I never was good at diets. I found they had the opposite effect on

> me because they made me focus so much on food; what I was eating,

> when, how much, what was permissible, guilt at slips, obsession with

> the scale, etc.

>

> I really want to be free from the food obsession and see food as a

> means to fueling my body. If I can enjoy it too, that's a plus. But

> I can't get into these sugar free syrups, candies, ice cream, f/f

> cheeses, snacks, etc.. It makes me absolutely loopy. And that's

> just me. Everyone has their own way to work it. For me, avoidance

> is much easier to handle than substitution.

>

> I think that's why I did so well on liquid protein back in the 70's.

> Too bad the whole thing was bogus and packed a hell of a rebound

> punch!

>

> On a different subject, wow! did I get a good laugh this morning at

> my support group. It's a mixed group of people from the Santa Cruz

> mountains. Lately, I've been getting a lot of a new type of

> attention, which, while flattering, is also a little uncomfortable.

> I mean, get serious, I'm not a hottie, I'm a 40+ soccer mom! But I

> was getting hit on fairly frequently and was starting to ask myself

> if I was under-rating myself. Then a guy in the group was sharing at

> group level, complaining that he had no girlfriend and said " you

> know, I'm not THAT picky. But you know how it is in these

> mountains...all I want is a woman with a set of teeth! " ROFL!!! Now

> I know my competition! No wonder I'm getting hit on!!!LOL! Took me

> down a notch or two before I could even get up a rung!

>

> I get so much support from this board, people at the gym, my local

> morning coffee support group and the community in general. But I

> would trade that all in for a compliment or even acknowledgement from

> my husband. I know he's not demonstrative in the first place, which

> I understand is not all that uncommon. I just read an article

> talking about how both men and women are so courteous, thoughtful and

> giving during courtship, but once married, tend to take the spouse

> not only for granted, but as the receptacle for all frustrations and

> everything bad that's happened during the day.

>

> And I suspect he's getting scared, though he won't admit it. A couple

> of comments have slipped here and there, especially when it comes to

> plastics, about how I'll go out looking for someone else. Doesn't

> help that we'll be separated for 8 mos. come 12/15!

>

> But that's his problem with insecurity, and I wish he could see that

> he could create his own self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of

> starting to criticize and ignore, how much better it would be to

> support and recognize!!

>

> Lucky for him I DO go to support groups and can figure out what's

> going on. Otherwise I'd be pissed! Oh well, I've gone a great way

> in my learning curve and I guess he's about to embark on his own.

> Poor sod.

>

> Well, I'm off to a pro soccer game with hubby and son (daughter has

> left me to face the lions by scuttling to a sleepover).I know they're

> going to talk stats, positions, players the whole

> night...snooze...and it's vitally important to my son that I appear

> interested. I'll take a deep breath huuuuuuuh.....aaaaaaaah and off

> I go. (I really will have a good time...I'm just trawling for

> sympathy!)

>

> Later,

>

> Vicki A.

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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I know what you mean, Vicki, about all the food talk. On several of

the wls there seems to be a preponderous of food discussion. My

daughter (a wls person, too) & I realized that we had spent over an

hour yesterday on the phone discussing food, how to cook it, web

sites, resturants, wht our pouches coul,d handle, anything - as long

as it was food related. When we realized we were doing this, we

concluded that we definitely NEEDED wls. LOL

Lorraine

> Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking

about

> is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

>

> Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going

through

> an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's just

> general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with these

> feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to

realize

> that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day. But

> they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well, tomorrow

will

> be another day.

>

> I never was good at diets. I found they had the opposite effect on

> me because they made me focus so much on food; what I was eating,

> when, how much, what was permissible, guilt at slips, obsession

with

> the scale, etc.

>

> I really want to be free from the food obsession and see food as a

> means to fueling my body. If I can enjoy it too, that's a plus.

But

> I can't get into these sugar free syrups, candies, ice cream, f/f

> cheeses, snacks, etc.. It makes me absolutely loopy. And that's

> just me. Everyone has their own way to work it. For me, avoidance

> is much easier to handle than substitution.

>

> I think that's why I did so well on liquid protein back in the

70's.

> Too bad the whole thing was bogus and packed a hell of a rebound

> punch!

>

> On a different subject, wow! did I get a good laugh this morning at

> my support group. It's a mixed group of people from the Santa Cruz

> mountains. Lately, I've been getting a lot of a new type of

> attention, which, while flattering, is also a little

uncomfortable.

> I mean, get serious, I'm not a hottie, I'm a 40+ soccer mom! But I

> was getting hit on fairly frequently and was starting to ask myself

> if I was under-rating myself. Then a guy in the group was sharing

at

> group level, complaining that he had no girlfriend and said " you

> know, I'm not THAT picky. But you know how it is in these

> mountains...all I want is a woman with a set of teeth! " ROFL!!!

Now

> I know my competition! No wonder I'm getting hit on!!!LOL! Took

me

> down a notch or two before I could even get up a rung!

>

> I get so much support from this board, people at the gym, my local

> morning coffee support group and the community in general. But I

> would trade that all in for a compliment or even acknowledgement

from

> my husband. I know he's not demonstrative in the first place,

which

> I understand is not all that uncommon. I just read an article

> talking about how both men and women are so courteous, thoughtful

and

> giving during courtship, but once married, tend to take the spouse

> not only for granted, but as the receptacle for all frustrations

and

> everything bad that's happened during the day.

>

> And I suspect he's getting scared, though he won't admit it. A

couple

> of comments have slipped here and there, especially when it comes

to

> plastics, about how I'll go out looking for someone else. Doesn't

> help that we'll be separated for 8 mos. come 12/15!

>

> But that's his problem with insecurity, and I wish he could see

that

> he could create his own self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of

> starting to criticize and ignore, how much better it would be to

> support and recognize!!

>

> Lucky for him I DO go to support groups and can figure out what's

> going on. Otherwise I'd be pissed! Oh well, I've gone a great way

> in my learning curve and I guess he's about to embark on his own.

> Poor sod.

>

> Well, I'm off to a pro soccer game with hubby and son (daughter has

> left me to face the lions by scuttling to a sleepover).I know

they're

> going to talk stats, positions, players the whole

> night...snooze...and it's vitally important to my son that I appear

> interested. I'll take a deep breath huuuuuuuh.....aaaaaaaah and

off

> I go. (I really will have a good time...I'm just trawling for

> sympathy!)

>

> Later,

>

> Vicki A.

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But normies do this TOO. I listen to my staff. It's everywhere.

The difference is, they do not have the physical disease to go with it. They

can eat everything they talk about and not gain a pound. I find that

disgusting. My clothes get tight just from HEARING about it.

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Re: Give me a break!

> I know what you mean, Vicki, about all the food talk. On several of

> the wls there seems to be a preponderous of food discussion. My

> daughter (a wls person, too) & I realized that we had spent over an

> hour yesterday on the phone discussing food, how to cook it, web

> sites, resturants, wht our pouches coul,d handle, anything - as long

> as it was food related. When we realized we were doing this, we

> concluded that we definitely NEEDED wls. LOL

>

> Lorraine

>

>

>

>

> > Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking

> about

> > is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

> >

> > Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going

> through

> > an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's just

> > general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with these

> > feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to

> realize

> > that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day. But

> > they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well, tomorrow

> will

> > be another day.

> >

> > I never was good at diets. I found they had the opposite effect on

> > me because they made me focus so much on food; what I was eating,

> > when, how much, what was permissible, guilt at slips, obsession

> with

> > the scale, etc.

> >

> > I really want to be free from the food obsession and see food as a

> > means to fueling my body. If I can enjoy it too, that's a plus.

> But

> > I can't get into these sugar free syrups, candies, ice cream, f/f

> > cheeses, snacks, etc.. It makes me absolutely loopy. And that's

> > just me. Everyone has their own way to work it. For me, avoidance

> > is much easier to handle than substitution.

> >

> > I think that's why I did so well on liquid protein back in the

> 70's.

> > Too bad the whole thing was bogus and packed a hell of a rebound

> > punch!

> >

> > On a different subject, wow! did I get a good laugh this morning at

> > my support group. It's a mixed group of people from the Santa Cruz

> > mountains. Lately, I've been getting a lot of a new type of

> > attention, which, while flattering, is also a little

> uncomfortable.

> > I mean, get serious, I'm not a hottie, I'm a 40+ soccer mom! But I

> > was getting hit on fairly frequently and was starting to ask myself

> > if I was under-rating myself. Then a guy in the group was sharing

> at

> > group level, complaining that he had no girlfriend and said " you

> > know, I'm not THAT picky. But you know how it is in these

> > mountains...all I want is a woman with a set of teeth! " ROFL!!!

> Now

> > I know my competition! No wonder I'm getting hit on!!!LOL! Took

> me

> > down a notch or two before I could even get up a rung!

> >

> > I get so much support from this board, people at the gym, my local

> > morning coffee support group and the community in general. But I

> > would trade that all in for a compliment or even acknowledgement

> from

> > my husband. I know he's not demonstrative in the first place,

> which

> > I understand is not all that uncommon. I just read an article

> > talking about how both men and women are so courteous, thoughtful

> and

> > giving during courtship, but once married, tend to take the spouse

> > not only for granted, but as the receptacle for all frustrations

> and

> > everything bad that's happened during the day.

> >

> > And I suspect he's getting scared, though he won't admit it. A

> couple

> > of comments have slipped here and there, especially when it comes

> to

> > plastics, about how I'll go out looking for someone else. Doesn't

> > help that we'll be separated for 8 mos. come 12/15!

> >

> > But that's his problem with insecurity, and I wish he could see

> that

> > he could create his own self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of

> > starting to criticize and ignore, how much better it would be to

> > support and recognize!!

> >

> > Lucky for him I DO go to support groups and can figure out what's

> > going on. Otherwise I'd be pissed! Oh well, I've gone a great way

> > in my learning curve and I guess he's about to embark on his own.

> > Poor sod.

> >

> > Well, I'm off to a pro soccer game with hubby and son (daughter has

> > left me to face the lions by scuttling to a sleepover).I know

> they're

> > going to talk stats, positions, players the whole

> > night...snooze...and it's vitally important to my son that I appear

> > interested. I'll take a deep breath huuuuuuuh.....aaaaaaaah and

> off

> > I go. (I really will have a good time...I'm just trawling for

> > sympathy!)

> >

> > Later,

> >

> > Vicki A.

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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I think that it is the time of year and the cooler weather. You

know? The bear/hibernation thingy? Getting ready for the winter

famine. I seem to go through this every year as does my whole

family.

Reba

> > > Boy, for the last several days all it seems everyone is talking

> > about

> > > is food, food, food and drink, drink, drink. Is it just me?

> > >

> > > Sometimes I do the very same thing, but right now I am going

> > through

> > > an " uncomfortable " time. I can't put my finger on it, it's

just

> > > general uneasiness. I suppose I have to learn how to sit with

these

> > > feelings without numbing out on food or drink. And I have to

> > realize

> > > that there may be no real cause; I'm just having an iffy day.

But

> > > they are new feelings, and I don't like them! Oh well,

tomorrow

> > will

> > > be another day.

> > >

> > > I never was good at diets. I found they had the opposite

effect on

> > > me because they made me focus so much on food; what I was

eating,

> > > when, how much, what was permissible, guilt at slips, obsession

> > with

> > > the scale, etc.

> > >

> > > I really want to be free from the food obsession and see food

as a

> > > means to fueling my body. If I can enjoy it too, that's a

plus.

> > But

> > > I can't get into these sugar free syrups, candies, ice cream,

f/f

> > > cheeses, snacks, etc.. It makes me absolutely loopy. And

that's

> > > just me. Everyone has their own way to work it. For me,

avoidance

> > > is much easier to handle than substitution.

> > >

> > > I think that's why I did so well on liquid protein back in the

> > 70's.

> > > Too bad the whole thing was bogus and packed a hell of a

rebound

> > > punch!

> > >

> > > On a different subject, wow! did I get a good laugh this

morning at

> > > my support group. It's a mixed group of people from the Santa

Cruz

> > > mountains. Lately, I've been getting a lot of a new type of

> > > attention, which, while flattering, is also a little

> > uncomfortable.

> > > I mean, get serious, I'm not a hottie, I'm a 40+ soccer mom!

But I

> > > was getting hit on fairly frequently and was starting to ask

myself

> > > if I was under-rating myself. Then a guy in the group was

sharing

> > at

> > > group level, complaining that he had no girlfriend and

said " you

> > > know, I'm not THAT picky. But you know how it is in these

> > > mountains...all I want is a woman with a set of teeth! "

ROFL!!!

> > Now

> > > I know my competition! No wonder I'm getting hit on!!!LOL!

Took

> > me

> > > down a notch or two before I could even get up a rung!

> > >

> > > I get so much support from this board, people at the gym, my

local

> > > morning coffee support group and the community in general.

But I

> > > would trade that all in for a compliment or even

acknowledgement

> > from

> > > my husband. I know he's not demonstrative in the first place,

> > which

> > > I understand is not all that uncommon. I just read an article

> > > talking about how both men and women are so courteous,

thoughtful

> > and

> > > giving during courtship, but once married, tend to take the

spouse

> > > not only for granted, but as the receptacle for all

frustrations

> > and

> > > everything bad that's happened during the day.

> > >

> > > And I suspect he's getting scared, though he won't admit it. A

> > couple

> > > of comments have slipped here and there, especially when it

comes

> > to

> > > plastics, about how I'll go out looking for someone else.

Doesn't

> > > help that we'll be separated for 8 mos. come 12/15!

> > >

> > > But that's his problem with insecurity, and I wish he could see

> > that

> > > he could create his own self-fulfilling prophecy. Instead of

> > > starting to criticize and ignore, how much better it would be

to

> > > support and recognize!!

> > >

> > > Lucky for him I DO go to support groups and can figure out

what's

> > > going on. Otherwise I'd be pissed! Oh well, I've gone a

great way

> > > in my learning curve and I guess he's about to embark on his

own.

> > > Poor sod.

> > >

> > > Well, I'm off to a pro soccer game with hubby and son

(daughter has

> > > left me to face the lions by scuttling to a sleepover).I know

> > they're

> > > going to talk stats, positions, players the whole

> > > night...snooze...and it's vitally important to my son that I

appear

> > > interested. I'll take a deep breath huuuuuuuh.....aaaaaaaah

and

> > off

> > > I go. (I really will have a good time...I'm just trawling for

> > > sympathy!)

> > >

> > > Later,

> > >

> > > Vicki A.

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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