Water Vs. Crystal Light Debate

[Guest guest]

Hey Gang,

I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a friendly

debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It involves

whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS program. I am in

the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high protein to

lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a couple of

weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate plain water

and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator claims I need

to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our Grad List

friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen to you

all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

BobA...aka Kittyman

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Cats are free to a good home, ya know? And some might pay us to own YOU.

I usta say if it's wet, it works. Then if it's decaf it works. After

getting to know a coupla urologists way too well, I'd say you might give

water the 3 day try out. Since there are other things in Crystal Light

(which I find harmless), the kidneys still have to SORT things out to get

the water. So, it makes a lil extra effort there.

3 days. Come on. How bad can it be?

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Water Vs. Crystal Light Debate

> Hey Gang,

>

> I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a

friendly

> debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It

involves

> whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS program. I

am in

> the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high protein

to

> lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a couple

of

> weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate plain

water

> and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator claims I

need

> to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our Grad

List

> friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen to you

> all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

>

> BobA...aka Kittyman

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it comes down to what does " effective " mean. Does it count towards

the water intake? yup. Does the liver have to do tons of extra work to sift

through the additives? Well I do not know exactly how much work it takes

for it to sift through the colorings and additives of crystal lite vs a

steak but yes it will do some extra work. How does that affect weight loss,

I'm not sure but I'd think the argument is splitting hairs. I am using up

the dark crystal light stuff right now and not buying it again since I found

out that the dark colorings can contribute to kidney stones. I have no

insurance right now till I find a job, so I am not chancing a thing. That

is prolly why I've been wanting to do my part, everything perfect for my

body because I just can't afford to fail or have anything go wrong atm LOL.

I don't see anywhere really on the label that there are carbs or sodium or

anything to really worry about. I seriously doubt it would stall weight

loss. I think our bodies HAVE to stall sometimes..it's just a normal thing.

It amuses me now that I do not lose weight on the days I have eat less when

I had the opposite problem before. I am not a hard core crystal lite user

though, it's too sweet for me so I prolly have a glass or two ever two days.

It's quite possible that it is setting your taste buds up for sweetness so

you would be tempted to maybe have a taste for something not so good for

you, I could be wrong. My diet is bland and I notice if I have sweet stuff,

my tastes will change.

Sherra

Water Vs. Crystal Light Debate

> Hey Gang,

>

> I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a

friendly

> debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It

involves

> whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS program. I

am in

> the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high protein

to

> lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a couple

of

> weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate plain

water

> and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator claims I

need

> to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our Grad

List

> friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen to you

> all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

>

> BobA...aka Kittyman

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh Dave.. Your reaction to Bobs post is a tad excessive isnt it? ( " dumb

down " etc. etc. ??) Relax.. The key phrase in his post was " FRIENDLY debate " .

Bob and I, (yes, I am the he spoke of) are very close friends and this

really started as tongue-in-cheek, good natured banter between friends.

The fact is there probably is no right answer and there is probably no harm

in the Crystal Light (although I'll never admit that to the cat hater) and yes

the other posts about filtering out the other stuff etc. were also correct.

and as said.. what can it hurt to try three days? He's doing everything

right. My theory is that if it isn't working for you.. change it. Sometimes

you have to shake up your routine a bit to get things moving again.

RNY July 2002

-170lbs

[Guest guest]

Oh this is going to drive everyone baaaaazonkers, but here goes: (remember I

am just the messenger!)

Some months ago Dr. Herron (then at Mt. Sinai) was leading a support group

meeting whose topic was potential post-surgical complications. Well, as the

discussion was ongoing many people were concerned with rebound weight gain.

Dr. Herron told a story about a patient (I think she was in CA) who had

inexplicably started to regain weight, whose diet was then closely monitored

(which

revealed she was right on point), and whose weight gain was therefore

mystifying. Everything internal was okay too. But one thing became apparent:

she

did consume ALOT of artificial sweeteners, in various forms. So it was

suggested she ditch them, and when she did, weight loss ensued and she was back

on

track. Upon hearing this, everyone at the meeting grumbled and went

" HUH?!?!?! " -- but that was ONE person's apparent experience. I am sure VERY

anomalous. Dr. Herron theorized she had some kind of strange " allergy " (my

word)

to AS's. ?????????????????????????? This comforted NO ONE! LOL!

Having said all that, I seriously doubt it's Crystal Light which is causing

your plateau. Those damn things rear their evil little heads without a whole

lot of help from anything exogenous anyway, and despite our very best efforts.

BUT, try replacing the CL with plain water for a few days and see que

pasas. Wouldn't hurt to crank up your exercise routine just a tad too. As

far

as dehydration goes, I think I heard about recent studies which indicated that

anything non-caffeinated non-alcoholic is appropriately countable towards

recommended daily FLUID consumption requirements (some doctors says need to do

half water, half other, but that appears to be unfounded. I think this theory

is a bow to urologists who for years have been screeching about certain

artificial sweeteners and bladder cancer). Alot of the constipation misery

experienced by some WLS people could probably be attributed to insufficient

FLUID

consumption, not specifically water consumption. So if it takes Crystal Light

to keep you going, go for it! LOL! Good luck!

Lucille

In a message dated 11/20/2003 3:33:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

> Hey Gang,

>

> I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a friendly

> debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It involves

> whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS program. I

> am in

> the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high protein to

> lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a couple of

> weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate plain

> water

> and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator claims I

> need

> to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our Grad List

> friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen to you

> all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

>

> BobA...aka Kittyman

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>Oh this is going to drive everyone baaaaazonkers

Oooooo Lucille you went and threw a monkey wrench into the works!

Actually I have read the same thing about artificial sweeteners as well as

sugar alcohol's. I have another friend who hit a plateau and found that they

were eating a LARGE amount of sugar alcohol's and although I have read that this

usually causes diarrhea, it seemed to be the factor in them not losing weight.

>>Alot of the constipation misery experienced by some WLS people could

probably >>be attributed to insufficient FLUID .. So if it takes Crystal

Light to

keep you >>going, go for it!

<snicker> You may have something here.. Bob has always been " full of it " .

SEE BOB.. you DO need more water!!!!

[Guest guest]

If clear water made you lose weight.............we could start a new " water

diet " program and make millions!!!! She's obviously doing the " dumb down "

fear approach to weight loss that certain medical people think fat or

formerly fat people fall for. Does she somehow think that Crystal Light

" leeches " the water out of water???? Drink your Crystal Light, go forth and

live a rich and rewarding life. It ain't Crystal Light that's packing the

weight on.

I wonder if you came across someone who had been wandering in the desert

without water for a few days.......do you think Crystal Light would help

them survive dehydration? I think so. Do you think they'd say, " No, I'd

like some Perrier, please? " I don't think so.

Tired of weird information for fat people......

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Water Vs. Crystal Light Debate

> Hey Gang,

>

> I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a

friendly

> debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It

involves

> whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS program. >

> BobA...aka Kittyman

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya know, I never thought of doing that. I don't do water, either. I

go on certain " binges " with certain types of fluids, get really tired

of them (can't stand Crystal Lite or SF Tang anymore), then change to

something else until I'm sick of that. I'm also rarely thirsty, and

32 oz. a day is really good for me and, even that, is something

rarely acheived. Right now, my drink of choice is diet Snapple iced

tea.

I'm now 4 pounds over the high end of my 5-pound fluctuation range,

and it's scaring me. Once again, thanks you, , for a great

idea!

in NJ

*****************

>

>

> I usta say if it's wet, it works. Then if it's decaf it works.

After getting to know a coupla urologists way too well, I'd say you

might give water the 3 day try out. Since there are other things in

Crystal Light (which I find harmless), the kidneys still have to

SORT things out to get the water. So, it makes a lil extra effort

there.

>

> 3 days. Come on. How bad can it be?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

In my world, anything with a water base (crystal lite, tea, coffee, etc.) is the

same as water. Plus I drink lots of Diet Snapple. I rarely drink plain water,

it doesn't taste good to me. I even count protein shakes and milk as part of my

daily fluid requirement, as well as diet sodas. I dont know about anyone else,

but it works for me. My personal test for whether I'm getting enough fluids is

the color of my urine. It should be clear. When it's dark I know I need to be

drinking more.

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. and Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

[Guest guest]

There is precisely 1 gram of carbs per an 8 ounce glass of Crystal Lite

and that is probably from the artificial sweetner. You would get the

same effect if you put lemon and a packet of sweetner in water.

Personally, I drink Crystal Lite and count it as water. My major

criteria for eliminating a drink is whether it has caffeine in it or not.

If it has caffeine, I only count it as half (an 8 ounce serving would

only count as 4 ounces toward my water.) JMHO.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/347/hoping for close to 200

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:20:08 EST raltman813@... writes:

> Hey Gang,

>

> I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a

> friendly

> debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It

> involves

> whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS

> program. I am in

> the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high

> protein to

> lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a

> couple of

> weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate

> plain water

> and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator

> claims I need

> to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our

> Grad List

> friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen

> to you

> all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

>

> BobA...aka Kittyman

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I know I was told to drink pure water too and I hate the stuff. Still,

I do 100 oz a day -- more if I drink any caffeine, to offset the dehydrating

effects. I did go thru a spell where I did about half my 100 oz as weak crystal

lite --about twice as much water as directions say. But even that caused an

acidic condition that was distinctly uncomfortable, so I just do the crystal

lite as a rare treat now.

Carol A

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In a message dated 11/20/2003 1:22:03 PM Central Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

>

> There is precisely 1 gram of carbs per an 8 ounce glass of Crystal Lite

> and that is probably from the artificial sweetner. You would get the

> same effect if you put lemon and a packet of sweetner in water.

> Personally, I drink Crystal Lite and count it as water. My major

> criteria for eliminating a drink is whether it has caffeine in it or not.

> If it has caffeine, I only count it as half (an 8 ounce serving would

> only count as 4 ounces toward my water.) JMHO.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

> 479/347/hoping for close to 200

>

> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:20:08 EST raltman813@... writes:

> >Hey Gang,

> >

> >I am coming to you all for some information and help in settling a

> >friendly

> >debate I am having with my co-moderator on several lists in MD. It

> >involves

> >whether Crystal Light is as effective as plain water in the WLS

> >program. I am in

> >the midst of a " Back to Square One " program of low carbs and high

> >protein to

> >lose some of my rebound weight gain but I have hit a plateau for a

> >couple of

> >weeks. I drink 64-80 oz or more of crystal light every day. I hate

> >plain water

> >and don't drink any carbonated beverages. , my co-moderator

> >claims I need

> >to drink pure water and I will lose weight. We are calling on our

> >Grad List

> >friends to set us straight....Water or Crystal Light? I will listen

> >to you

> >all...unless someone recommends buying a cat.

> >

> >BobA...aka Kittyman

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2003 8:40:24 AM Central Standard Time,

jpg1747@... writes:

> My personal test for whether I'm getting enough fluids is the color of my

> urine. It should be clear. When it's dark I know I need to be drinking more.

> ---------------------------------------

I've heard people say this before, but it truly puzzles me. I drink a minimum

of 100 oz PLAIN water every day, and my urine is NEVER clear. Not dark,

exactly, but not clear, for sure.

Carol A

[Guest guest]

I never could take Crystal Light, even before surgery. Always got crampy

and, well, you know the rest. My body never could deal with aspartame,

NutraSweet, Sugar Twin, etc. Thank God for Splenda. I got tired of just

drinking plain water and about a year ago starting drinking Fruit 2-0

water. It is sweetened with Splenda, no calories, carbs, etc, just

flavored water. Comes in all kinds of flavors and my favorite is Berry

Relaxing and the Cherry.

Thought this might help.

Regina