Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 That's what Doc Fisher tells us to. E. Valencia qcmanager@... pouch capacity The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal takes longer to move on through. Vicki A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 I'm all for the volume issue. I don't care about weight on a food scale, just how much space it takes up. Andy yes, I'm off the 15 minute variety, too. Not that one should gulp, but certainly not make it into a ritual graze. But we were raised on the 1 oz per meal theory. And they highly encouraged measuring. And I do mean e " encouraged. " Typical visit, " So, how do you feel? Good, good,. Still measuring? " LOL! One of my posties worked in a lab and she " measured " each thing carefully. By grams. She KNEW she was getting exactly 30g of protein per serving, because it weighed 30g and she showed me her fingers to indicate the small amt she was getting. Uh oh. That'd be 30g of POWDER, of which 80% would be protein. But it still was not 30g by volume. She'd been shorting herself for months and every time we talked on the phone and mentioned the 30g, she said, yes, yes, getting 30g. My brain " saw " 30g in a cup, and her brain " saw " it on a scale. Wow. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com pouch capacity > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > takes longer to move on through. > > Vicki A. > > > > In a message dated 11/15/03 8:36:43 PM Central Standard Time, > > qcmanager@e... writes: > > > > > So your first bite is gone by the time your last bite has hit > your lips. > > > ------------ > > > > If your first bite is gone by the time the last bite goes > in, then I > > don't see how you have a " functioning " pouch. Based on your > explanation, the > > pouch is useless - food could be eaten in unlimited quantities. > Yes, your > > doctor tells you to STOP eating after 30 minutes (which in my > opinion is too long > > to eat... the longer you eat, the MORE you eat - I say 15 minutes > tops), but > > if your pouch is not sending you any signals of fullness then you > are back the > > old preop diet mentality of strictly using your " willpower. " We > all went > > through the Weight Watcher years of weighing our food and then > telling ourselves > > that we were " done " after eating - only to have our stomachs saying > WHERE IS > > THE REST? > > We have at least one member on our list (I believe it is > Carol?) whose > > stoma has stretched, leaving her pouch nonfunctioning - her first > bite IS > > literally gone from her " pouch " by the time the last bite finds it > way down. I > > know that for her, it's a horrible battle to only eat a measured > portion. > > I guess this has gotten somewhat off the original subject, > which was > > our pouches are measured by volume not weight. I still stand by my > comment - > > if you are trying to fill a space, you must use a volume unit of > measurement > > to do so (an in our case, the volume is after chewing) - a weight > unit of > > measurement is different and will not work - these are just basic > properties of > > physical matter. We could fit two ounces of " chewed " lead into a > two ounce > > pouch, but we could not put two ounces of cotton in the same space. > > > > Beth > > Houston, TX > > VBG - Dr. Srungaram > > 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. > > 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty > > 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. > > 5'10 " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 It's ok. They all have their idiosyncrasies. On another list, a doc told a girl never to touch water. He told her to wash with Vodka. And yes, he was serious. What could she do? She just smiled & nodded and broke all the rules and washed with water anyway. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com pouch capacity > > > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > takes longer to move on through. > > Vicki A. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 I like Vodka with a little roses lime juice! E. Valencia qcmanager@... Re: pouch capacity It's ok. They all have their idiosyncrasies. On another list, a doc told a girl never to touch water. He told her to wash with Vodka. And yes, he was serious. What could she do? She just smiled & nodded and broke all the rules and washed with water anyway. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com pouch capacity > > > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > takes longer to move on through. > > Vicki A. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Would that be for drinking or house cleaning? LOL! Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com pouch capacity > > > > > > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > > takes longer to move on through. > > > > Vicki A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 A little on the floor a little for me!!! It all works out O.K. :-) E. Valencia qcmanager@... Re: pouch capacity Would that be for drinking or house cleaning? LOL! Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com pouch capacity > > > > > > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > > takes longer to move on through. > > > > Vicki A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I would not be too concerned about pouch size. The issue of pouch size versus weight loss success was examined in Flanagan, L. Measurement of Functional Pouch Volume Following the Gastric Bypass Procedure. Ob Surg 1996; 6:38-43. In that study, a large group of gastric bypass patients were given tests that measured the size of their gastric pouch over an 18 month post op period. The gastric pouches stretched from the original one ounce size to a range of three to eight ounces. When a comparison was made as to whether there was any relationship is weight loss and pouch size, there was no difference found. In other words, a person whose pouch stretched to three ounces in size was no more or less likely to achieve a successful weight loss. It seems that it is not the size of the gastric pouch, but rather how the pouch is used that makes the difference in achieving a success weight loss. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com vickiang wrote: > > The way I understand it, the pouch is a dynamic, not static thing. > Think of it more like a funnel than a pot. That's the way my Dr. > explained it when, at 1 week out I could eat a banana after the nurse > had said my stomach was the size of a shot glass. > > You CAN eat unlimited quantities IF you eat slowly or if you eat > multiple times. That's why this surgery is not as successful for > people who graze, and why most Dr.s will limit a person to three set > meals, or five set meals with no grazing inbetween. It's also why > most Dr.s recommend that you not drink during your meals...the liquid > facilitates the food moving through the pouch, whereas a " dry " meal > takes longer to move on through. > > Vicki A. > > > > In a message dated 11/15/03 8:36:43 PM Central Standard Time, > > qcmanager@e... writes: > > > > > So your first bite is gone by the time your last bite has hit > your lips. > > > ------------ > > > > If your first bite is gone by the time the last bite goes > in, then I > > don't see how you have a " functioning " pouch. Based on your > explanation, the > > pouch is useless - food could be eaten in unlimited quantities. > Yes, your > > doctor tells you to STOP eating after 30 minutes (which in my > opinion is too long > > to eat... the longer you eat, the MORE you eat - I say 15 minutes > tops), but > > if your pouch is not sending you any signals of fullness then you > are back the > > old preop diet mentality of strictly using your " willpower. " We > all went > > through the Weight Watcher years of weighing our food and then > telling ourselves > > that we were " done " after eating - only to have our stomachs saying > WHERE IS > > THE REST? > > We have at least one member on our list (I believe it is > Carol?) whose > > stoma has stretched, leaving her pouch nonfunctioning - her first > bite IS > > literally gone from her " pouch " by the time the last bite finds it > way down. I > > know that for her, it's a horrible battle to only eat a measured > portion. > > I guess this has gotten somewhat off the original subject, > which was > > our pouches are measured by volume not weight. I still stand by my > comment - > > if you are trying to fill a space, you must use a volume unit of > measurement > > to do so (an in our case, the volume is after chewing) - a weight > unit of > > measurement is different and will not work - these are just basic > properties of > > physical matter. We could fit two ounces of " chewed " lead into a > two ounce > > pouch, but we could not put two ounces of cotton in the same space. > > > > Beth > > Houston, TX > > VBG - Dr. Srungaram > > 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. > > 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty > > 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. > > 5'10 " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 In a message dated 11/25/2003 9:03:50 AM Central Standard Time, ray@... writes: > It seems that it is not the > size of the gastric pouch, but rather how the pouch is used that makes > the difference in achieving a success weight loss. > ---------------------------------------- AND whether you have a functioning stoma to keep the pouch filled long enuf to ward off hunger pangs. Nobody talks much about the stoma, but as I have found, it's as important, maybe even more so, than the pouch. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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