Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 we are adults here and expect to be treated as such and with respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 I dont think anyone was calling names fliphaven wrote:No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me <SEE > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 We'll, I can at least say that it is a known fact that Baylor University in Dallas is te # 1 Hospital in the USA for the surgery.. That is true fact and thats where i had my surgery,.. Not everyone can just up and go to the hospital of there choice.. fliphaven wrote:Thus the title COLD HARD FACTS, not warm and fuzzy fru fru ones... > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Fliphaven, I'm not out to play childish games only to learn as much as I can before I have this surgery. Knowledge is something that should be shared. It's great that you have been asked by our members to return to supply us with your knowledge and it's greatly appreciated. Perhaps you have been hardened like you said but.. PLEASE realise there are many new members here that do not know you & therefore your approach could push someone away, I'm not asking you to KILL people with kindness...only to be polite and keep in mind when you respond to a email or decided to pass some advise on you are speaking not just to the people who know you but to our new members too. Out of respect to you and everyone else here... I will not bring this subject up again... Thank you fliphaven wrote: No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me <SEE > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Flip Haven, We are not asking for sugar coating - we are here to help each other and you seem to be upsetting people. You think you know everything and are doubting that some people had drains and some don't. One question: Who the heck do you think you are? If you don't like it here - leave the site - I am sure it would be a welcome to all. What are your medical credentials by the way (oops that was two questions) . I wish you would stay and be more civil to people - lets go back to god- do unto others as they do unto you? Would you like people telling you negative things the whole time - especially if they are not proven true in EVERY CASE. I hope your answer is no. I have about had enough of this nonsense. Lighten up a bit will ya. Sounds like you are very bitter about something - maybe you should seek professional help. Ella fliphaven wrote: Thus the title COLD HARD FACTS, not warm and fuzzy fru fru ones... > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 RE: Ah, my approach. Okay, sorry for all you truly sensitive types who can't take things straight forward. I'll try to sugar coat my posts so you feel better about what I have to say. Is dat otay fo awl you little ones out dere? Ray, I tried to stay out of this because I don't want this to get back to where the site was before. But what a rude .... you are being. Do not ever talk down to any of us the way you just did. I am sorry if you are having a bad day, but do not come on here and take it out on others. You have been rude and you need to check yourself before you put asinine lines like that in your posts. I was on your side last time, but the time away from here seems to have hardened you into a bitter person who can't stand it when not everyone gushes all over you because you give us information that you still have not give us article dates on where you found it. If you are so willing to give us the information because you feel you have done more research than we have then how about coming up with some proof that we can read. You need to step back for a few minutes and take a breath. Dora in Tennessee Lap/Open RNY 9/20/2004 Vanderbilt Hospital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 the last part of your statement is degrading those you made that statement to .... you sound like - - - you can figure out what the dashes are for your so educated until you made that statement i thought you were just an aggressive person .. not no more we now know what you really are fliphaven wrote:Ah, my approach. Okay, sorry for all you truly sensitive types who can't take things straight forward. I'll try to sugar coat my posts so you feel better about what I have to say. Is dat otay fo awl you little ones out dere? -- In Gastric_Bypass_Family , brooke sheilds wrote: > No it wasnt you it was the approach > > wrote:I have not been in this group long, perhaps not long enought to have heard from you before. I was actually taken by your words. You are informative but your approach is somewhat rude if you ask me. There are ways of getting information across without having to come out rude!!! Have you had this surgery before? Are you in the same boat as the rest of us? I thought this group was a place to get information, share information and ask questions to help educate us all by others experiences? I thought no question was a stupid question? > > Please tell me I took this email message wrong! If I did I'm sorry and if I didn't shame on you. > > fliphaven wrote: > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 i did not realize that that was the ray who left because he was misunderstood and ya a few and i mean very few not 1oo people begged him to not leave boy i can't understand that if this is the wasy he was then shirley jackrussellrunner wrote: Nevermind... I read farther through the e-mails and found someone else had mentioned your name. I want you to know Ray that afer you left LAST time that some people were upset. That was before you pulled this shenanigan. You are being ridiculous. Have you had this surgery? you danced around that question pretty well. I understand that you read those medical journals although my uncle is an ER surgeon and has told me numerous times that they are not always factual and 100% correct. He would know too. I studied and read my heart out when my parents first approached me about this surgery. I was against it from the beginning but after reading the statistics and getting info from my uncle and other family members that are doctors I changed my mind. Living obese is far worse than having gastric bypass. The other night I was watching the news and there was a local story of a woman in Cleveland that had the surgery over a year ago. She got down to 150 and from then on lost a lb a day. She was very fragile lookings and very sickly. I freaked out, like many do after reading your insane posts, and called my family members. They asked if the news segment revealed who her surgeon was, where she had the surgery done, and what her lifestyle and regime was like. I told them no. They told me that for all I knew some Joe Schmo did the surgery and she didn't follow postop instructions. Just remember that we are ALL different. What is best for some is not for others, doctors are different, surgeries are different and you may be one with a cold heart online while we are all open, warm, and friendly. I am honestly and bluntly going to tell you how I FEEL. Last time I felt bad for you that someone had asked you to leave, even after you made a joke about me. I still felt bad and thought that it was unfair. I now understand where that person, or those people, had their idea(s). I feel that if you contribute to the group rather than insult and hurt this group than by all means keep contributing. However, if you are going to tell me and all my " family " on this site that we are bad, horrible, miseducated people than you have got another thing coming. Enough said, I think you get all of our opinions. Bethany 281/261/215/150 may 27, 2004 > > > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > > > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are > actually > > > qualified. > > > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post > surgical > > > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up > with > > > all of the above etc. > > > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > > > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe > bet > > to > > > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started > about > > > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world > country > > > for something this serious, SHEESH! > > > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare > > and > > > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how > > you > > > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > > > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on > an > > > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and > > there > > > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > > > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > > > answers, only facts! > > > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > > > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good > > surgeon > > > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > > > worries or advise you medically. > > > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > > > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > > > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 FLIPHAVEN--I AM LISTENING--REALITY BITES....MIMI fliphaven wrote:No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me <SEE > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 there might be over 100 members in this group but there is not nowhere that amout that post ... so how did 1oo members ask you to come back .. i remeber only a couple of members asking ..... i was not one of them... you are wecome to post here but please watch you attitude.. shirley " MIMI R. " wrote: FLIPHAVEN--I AM LISTENING--REALITY BITES....MIMI fliphaven wrote:No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 come on people.. this has been squashed.. lets not get it started again. amy " MIMI R. " wrote: FLIPHAVEN--I AM LISTENING--REALITY BITES....MIMI fliphaven wrote:No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me <SEE > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Filphaven I too am a doctor and I make it clear I do not know it all, nor do I beat others on top of their heads about what the New England Journal of Medicine quotes " . I have also been doing Clinical Research for over 10 years and find I if a doctor does not have a bedside manor then he or she should be in a lab or x-ray for a profession. This is medicine and we treat humans not laboratory animals. There are many ways to give bad news or medicine but with a COLD and Bitter attitude is not well received. Maybe you did not realize that your manor is poor, and your attitude is " acting superior " but it was and I was offended in the way you responded to people here. Yes, many of us here do not want to hear the bad news nor accept our faults, but this is something each and everyone of us must deal with on our own. If we fail or win this battle hearincondescendingng attitudes only make is fall into bad and old habits. This is one of the reasons that this is a tool not thdivinene answer to our prayers in losing weight. If you were aStrongng and more superior than us here you would not have needed the surgery either. Each of us are humans with all the human failings that comes with being a human being. If you can not have your say without beating people over the heads maybe then you should start your own group there cold hard feelings, facts and attitude are the standard and the norm. This is not the group to do this and I for one will not accept nor allow this to continue. Each and everyone (including yourself) fights daily to overcome bad feelings, habits and old shadows. To learn how to become the best person we can be. Knowing we will lose one battle and hopefully not the war on our weight. We are learning we are not comfortable in our new skin and battle each and everyday to accept the new person we have become. Take pride in what we have accomplished each and everyday. Its the small victories that will help us make it through the new learning curve of ourselves. It takes so little to give me a thrill when it comes to " the new me " . I am knowledgeable in medicine and treating patients, but being one really sucks!!!! I laid in the hospital and the physicians and nurses talked without talking when I had problems without the information. Finally I made a statement and their heads turned and realized that I knew exactly what was going on and I did not like the feeling that I didn't need the information or that it was too much for me to handle. All they had to do was speak to me in a human manor and I could accept this even if I didn't have a medical background. So I ask you, if you want to be a part of this group please do it in a kinder manor. I am not asking you to sugar coat anything, just take off the " brass balls " to do it as I do not like being hit in the head with it. Or don't say a word... OK, I had my say finally and if I offended anyone, please except my apology. It was not intended to be directed to anyone but the person who has offended many here. Cherie Rivard Bakersfield, CA " MIMI R. " wrote: FLIPHAVEN--I AM LISTENING--REALITY BITES....MIMI fliphaven wrote:No question is a stupid question and in fact the more you ask and even if that question has been asked before and answered before over and over it is still a good idea to ask your question. I am not an answer man. I researched my surgery for 3 years before getting it done and am a physician myself on the enquiry board for this surgery in D.C. and I was here before. Rude? I didn't know this was a Dear Abby forum. I am not here to kill ANYBODY with kindness but will offer the truth to anybody who wants to listen. I had over 100 members ask me to come back to this list and I have. If anybody needs qualification they should go to the National Medical Archives and New England Journal of Medicine and research the history of actual bypass surgery OF WHICH LAP BAND IS NOT! Laproscopic banding of the stomach compared to RNY or the like is like comparing a manicure to having an limb re-attached. Last time I left because of childish attitudes and name calling. I've been hardened since then because of the growing number of people dying from the silliness they engage in after they have this type of surgery and the poor pre and post op care by so called physicians. I am straight forward and if that seems rude then perhaps you've led a too sheltered life. I love you all, kisses n hugz, me <SEE > Let me give you all some cold hard facts: > Out of 1000 Dr's that may perform this surgery EIGHTY are actually > qualified. > Out of that 80 only 20% do the proper presurgical and post surgical > procedures ie Psych evaluations, dieticians, 2 year follow up with > all of the above etc. > That means that according to the New England Journal of Medicine > only SIXTEEN surgeons out of ONE THOUSAND are actually a safe bet to > work with for any type of GPS...and don't even get me started about > those of you who would be willing to go to some third world country > for something this serious, SHEESH! > Just because the TRUTH about this surgery and the PROPER precare and > post care may not agree with who you used or what you eat or how you > act does not make it any less TRUTH! > This type of surgery has been performed since the early 60's on an > experimental basis and then regularly as of the early 70's and there > is PLENTY of evidence to support all of what is and what is NOT > healthy habits post surgery. Any questions? Too bad, I don't give > answers, only facts! > If ANY of you have any problems post op whether you hear it is > common or not CALL YOUR DOCTOR and don't waste time. A good surgeon > will be happy you called and happy to take a moment to calm your > worries or advise you medically. > and of those of you who are wondering and the hundreds who have > written me asking me to come back here, the answer is YES, it is > me...or rather, I. Sorry for the grammar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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