Re: What is the perfect mix of good bacteria?

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanna,

There is a learning curve with SCD. Bifidus is illegal, so none of us should be

using it.

I use SCDophilus, and I also use Dannon and GI prostart. I tend to mix them up

so I get the benefits of all the good bacteria. I keep the GI prostart on hand,

but also use Dannon sometime to get a mix.

PJ

>

> I feel a little ashamed that I am just thinking about these things, but I have

to admit that it's taken me almost a year to just grasp the diet and keep it up

with fairly few mistakes.

>

> So now that I am in the groove, I've been thinking of things to make it even

better and I started wondering about my yogurt.

>

> These are the bacteria strains that the following starters contain

> (I think I did my research right?):

> GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

> Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

> Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus, S.

Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I have been

adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that means I still

don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI Prostart and

Yogurmet starter to get them all?

>

> What do you guys do?

>

> Thanks!

> -Joanna

> SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

>

[Guest guest]

Joanna

You don't want bifidus bacteria in either a yogurt starter or a supplement.

Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and immune

systems. Yogourmet makes two kinds of yogurt starter, the one without bifidus is

the one we use.

Here are the recommended bacterial strains:

For yogurt: S. Thermophilus, L. Bulgaricus (required to coagulate milk); L.

Acidophilus or L. Casei could be included. You don't necessarily need L. Casei

if you are tolerating L. Acidophilus along with the other two strains.

For a supplement: L. Acidophilus.

S. Boulardii is another probiotic supplement that some people find OK, but S.

Boulardii isn't a bacteria but a yeast.

So it is 3 strains of bacteria we want for our yogurt, and one strain for a

supplement.

Kim M.

SCD 6+ years

>

> I feel a little ashamed that I am just thinking about these things, but I have

to admit that it's taken me almost a year to just grasp the diet and keep it up

with fairly few mistakes.

>

> So now that I am in the groove, I've been thinking of things to make it even

better and I started wondering about my yogurt.

>

> These are the bacteria strains that the following starters contain

> (I think I did my research right?):

> GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

> Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

> Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus, S.

Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I have been

adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that means I still

don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI Prostart and

Yogurmet starter to get them all?

>

> What do you guys do?

>

> Thanks!

> -Joanna

> SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

>

[Guest guest]

> Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and immune

systems.

Just a tiny quibble here, Kim.

Some strains of Bifidus clearly work very well for some people with compromise

digestive

and immune systems. The GAPS people, for example, also use it - that is their

major

difference with SCD.

I think it is more accurate to say that bifidus *can* be bad news for those of

us....etc.

Mara

[Guest guest]

I have wondered about this issue... I have my theories about bifidus, personally, like why is it in EVERY commercial yogurt product!? I find that a little strange... I guess they probably all use the same starter. I was browsing the "cultures for health" website - which is excellent - I highly recommend it... they carry strains of different indigenous starters. I found it interesting that when I looked at the actual bacteria in those starters, I didn't recognize ANY of them!! This just supports the idea that just because we know about and have science backing up a few strains, doesn't mean that naturally, there aren't hundreds of different bacterial cultures which can be of benefit to us... so I say the more the better - except for bifidus! Check out cultures for health if you haven't already... they have so many different strains of yogurt starter, it's pretty cool! AMIhttp://www.culturesforhealth.com/splash.phpTo: BTVC-SCD From: kkmumbower@...Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:39:41 +0000Subject: Re: What is the "perfect" mix of good bacteria?

Joanna

You don't want bifidus bacteria in either a yogurt starter or a supplement. Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and immune systems. Yogourmet makes two kinds of yogurt starter, the one without bifidus is the one we use.

Here are the recommended bacterial strains:

For yogurt: S. Thermophilus, L. Bulgaricus (required to coagulate milk); L. Acidophilus or L. Casei could be included. You don't necessarily need L. Casei if you are tolerating L. Acidophilus along with the other two strains.

For a supplement: L. Acidophilus.

S. Boulardii is another probiotic supplement that some people find OK, but S. Boulardii isn't a bacteria but a yeast.

So it is 3 strains of bacteria we want for our yogurt, and one strain for a supplement.

Kim M.

SCD 6+ years

>

> I feel a little ashamed that I am just thinking about these things, but I have to admit that it's taken me almost a year to just grasp the diet and keep it up with fairly few mistakes.

>

> So now that I am in the groove, I've been thinking of things to make it even better and I started wondering about my yogurt.

>

> These are the bacteria strains that the following starters contain

> (I think I did my research right?):

> GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

> Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

> Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I have been adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that means I still don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI Prostart and Yogurmet starter to get them all?

>

> What do you guys do?

>

> Thanks!

> -Joanna

> SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

>

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[Guest guest]

I have been using the SCDophilus nearly this whole first year, and

it's great. No problems at all. I've only made yogurt once, but I

used the legal Yogourmet strain and it worked beautifully. Alas, no

yogurt or cheese yet awhile for me, so I need to try coconut yogurt,

which sounds delicious, and I'm assuming the same starter will work

for that, too. I don't worry very hard about getting a mix of

bacteria, just use my L. Acidophilus.

[Guest guest]

I never thought I'd touch an illegal but my doc and comp. pharmacist agreed I

should try and stop if I had any prob and I really feel it helped as I'm LOADED

with yeast and acidophilus only worked on the small intestines primarily - BUT I

am on 2 1/2 years and started it recently -and don't recommend people just add

illegals by any means - unless there is some real good reason -most often it's

not worth it

eileen

>

> > Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and immune

systems.

>

> Just a tiny quibble here, Kim.

>

> Some strains of Bifidus clearly work very well for some people with compromise

digestive

> and immune systems. The GAPS people, for example, also use it - that is their

major

> difference with SCD.

>

> I think it is more accurate to say that bifidus *can* be bad news for those of

us....etc.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen,

Which product are you talking about that you are taking?

Jodi

> >

> > > Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and immune

systems.

> >

> > Just a tiny quibble here, Kim.

> >

> > Some strains of Bifidus clearly work very well for some people with

compromise digestive

> > and immune systems. The GAPS people, for example, also use it - that is

their major

> > difference with SCD.

> >

> > I think it is more accurate to say that bifidus *can* be bad news for those

of us....etc.

> >

> > Mara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh sorry, it's bifidus

eileen

> > >

> > > > Bifidus is bad news for those of us with compromised digestive and

immune systems.

> > >

> > > Just a tiny quibble here, Kim.

> > >

> > > Some strains of Bifidus clearly work very well for some people with

compromise digestive

> > > and immune systems. The GAPS people, for example, also use it - that is

their major

> > > difference with SCD.

> > >

> > > I think it is more accurate to say that bifidus *can* be bad news for

those of us....etc.

> > >

> > > Mara

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:17 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote:

I think it is more accurate to

say that bifidus *can* be bad news for those of us....etc.

I know that the GAPs people use bifidus. I'm aware that some folks

think it's (I'm using a generic " it " here, since there are

multiple strains of bifidus) wonderful. I also have known too many people

who became extremely ill because bifidus is more likely to overgrow that

just acidophilus or s. boulardii, which are the SCD-legal

strains.

Yes, it CAN be bad news. And having tested it, I can say it's serious bad

news for me. I don't want to go through the gut cramps it caused ever

again.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 11:52 AM 7/13/2010, you wrote:

These are the bacteria strains

that the following starters contain

(I think I did my research right?):

GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus,

S. Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I

have been adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that

means I still don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI

Prostart and Yogurmet starter to get them all?

Well, on the Yogourmet, you have the wrong Yogourmet starter. The one you

want is S. thermophilus, l. bulgaricus, and l. acidophilus.

Bifidus can be a serious problem for many people with IBS/IBD, and so it

is excluded from SCD. GAPs people include bifidus, but frankly, while I

think it might be good for people with healthy guts, after several

experiences with violent reactions to it, I'm going to follow Elaine's

regimen.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Hate to ask a but anyone have information on why bifidus would cause this in only certain people?  I had the same reaction with an illegal probiotic.  Only took it once.

 

Debbie 41 cd

 

 I don't want to go through the gut cramps it caused ever again.

— Marilyn    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001    Darn Good SCD Cook

    No Human Children    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund     Babette the Foundling Beagle       

[Guest guest]

At 10:34 AM 7/16/2010, you wrote:

Hate to ask a but anyone have

information on why bifidus would cause this in only certain people?

I had the same reaction with an illegal probiotic. Only took it

once.

Well, all of the flora in our individual guts is... individual.

Apparently, the reason Elaine did not wish us to use bifidus is because

her studies indicated that bifidus is not a team player. If the

conditions are right, it will overgrow like mad.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Hate to ask a but anyone have information on why bifidus would cause this in only certain people? I had the same reaction with an illegal probiotic. Only took it once. Debbie 41 cd I don't want to go through the gut cramps it caused ever again. because we all have idiosyncratic bacterial/viral environments in our guts. very similar to food intolerances being unique, I imagine. HealthYour Poop Is Unique: Gut Viruses Different in Every Personhttp://www.livescience.com/health/gut-viruses-unique-fingerprint-100715.html?utm_source=feedburner & utm_medium=feed & utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience.com+Science+Headline+Feed%29http://tinyurl.com/2ednq7d

[Guest guest]

I'll tell you my theory: namely, that each of us has a different mix of

good and bad bacteria in our guts. So, some will do well with a certain

thing, say bifidus, and some will not. Same with other strains.

Perhaps as we heal and get rid of the bad guys (and maybe candida if we

have it) we will grow closer to a normal mix of good bacteria, whatever

that is.

Hate to ask a but anyone have information on why bifidus would cause

this

in only certain people? I had the same reaction with an illegal

probiotic.

Only took it once.

Debbie 41 cd

[Guest guest]

Yogourmet freeze-dried starter has sucrose in it...is that o.k. for the SCD

diet?

> >

> > I feel a little ashamed that I am just thinking about these things, but I

have to admit that it's taken me almost a year to just grasp the diet and keep

it up with fairly few mistakes.

> >

> > So now that I am in the groove, I've been thinking of things to make it even

better and I started wondering about my yogurt.

> >

> > These are the bacteria strains that the following starters contain

> > (I think I did my research right?):

> > GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

> > Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

> > Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> >

> > So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus, S.

Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I have been

adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that means I still

don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI Prostart and

Yogurmet starter to get them all?

> >

> > What do you guys do?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > -Joanna

> > SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

> >

>

[Guest guest]

it gets eaten up - gi prohealth has one - pricey -but no dairy only 1/8 tsp

needed per 2 quarts

eileen

> > >

> > > I feel a little ashamed that I am just thinking about these things, but I

have to admit that it's taken me almost a year to just grasp the diet and keep

it up with fairly few mistakes.

> > >

> > > So now that I am in the groove, I've been thinking of things to make it

even better and I started wondering about my yogurt.

> > >

> > > These are the bacteria strains that the following starters contain

> > > (I think I did my research right?):

> > > GI Prostart: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus and L. Casei

> > > Yogurmet: L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus

> > > Dannon & Fage: L. Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> > >

> > > So from the perspective that we want all 5 good strains (L. Bulgaricus, S.

Thermophilus, L. Casei, Acidophilus and Bifidus), how do we do it? I have been

adding SCDophilus to my yogurt made from GI Prostart, but that means I still

don't get the Bifidus. Is that okay? Can you combine the GI Prostart and

Yogurmet starter to get them all?

> > >

> > > What do you guys do?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > -Joanna

> > > SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

> > >

> >

>