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When I was in school I dreaded the first day of gym when they would weigh and

measure everyone. It was done in front of the whole class. The humiliation

was so damaging to me, The short boys also suffered. In my day they believed

that embarrassing children would get them to shape up. It looks like our

country is going back to this method. It didn't work then and won't work now.

I

become so outraged at how backwards everything is going,

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I think most people are aware that they are fat. They do not need a

tape measure or BMI number to know you are fat. I think this is

something that will just lead to more problems with eating

disorders. I have overheard 4 year old children talk about being

overweight and dieting. I had a pudgy gym teacher tell me one time

after class that I was overweight. Well Duh! That was kind of

stating the obvious.

Kathy

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Thanks for sharing. I will be curious to see what the opinions of others

are on this.

As a chubby child, my one source of feeling good about myself was my report

card. (I felt that I could never do anything right at home.) I cannot

imagine having the one good thing in my life marred with that black mark .

B from NJ

Article - Kinda Long!

Thought some might find this interesting! Kinda long...delete at

will!

Reba

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Student bodies

BY JENN LONG Northwest Arkansas Times

Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003

With the new school year just days away a new legislative act that

will require schools to record a student's body mass is attracting

support and criticism from parents and school officials in

Washington County.

Passed in April by the Arkansas General Assembly, Act 1220 of 2003

has only recently become an issue as parents get their children

prepared for the first day of school Monday.

The law demands that school personnel figure each student's body

mass index - calculated using a formula that uses height and weight

and compares it to other children - for inclusion on the student's

report card each year. Schools are also required to provide

pamphlets and other materials that explain the health effects of the

body mass index.

Local state legislators who support the bill contend that the new

requirement was intended to help battle childhood obesity, which is

increasingly becoming a health risk in the state and nation,

according to the United States Center for Disease Control. " We are

facing a crisis in this country and in Arkansas with obesity, " said

Arkansas District 7 Sen. Sue Madison. " I realize this is seeming

like a huge invasion of privacy but there is a concern because of

the health crisis and to some extent that crisis will be

[shouldered] by the taxpayers in the future, " she said referring to

potential long-term health care costs resulting from obesity.

According to the local school health officials, childhood obesity

can lead to diabetes, sleep apnea, coronary artery disease and

depression.

Parents and school officials have taken issue with the BMI

measurement, stating that calculating and recording the body mass

index goes beyond a school's mission and responsibility. " This has

absolutely nothing to do with educating my children, " said

Washington County resident Tyrun Bates, who has three children

attending Lincoln Public School. " Our schools have enough funding

problems that we should not spend one dime on something that does

not have to do with education. "

Prairie Grove Superintendent Tom Louks said the district is prepared

to implement the new requirement, but will do so with some

reservations. " We will do it if we are told to do it, " he said. " But

you can't legislate morality and you can't tell someone they can't

be fat. It borders on privacy issues. I think it takes the role of

parent and gives it to the school. "

Implementing the BMI assessment has been put on hold by the Arkansas

Department of Education until a health advisory committee, also

created by Act 1220, has developed recommendations for measuring and

recording BMI.

In a letter to the state's superintendents, ADE Director Ray Simon

told school officials that the Arkansas Department of Health and the

Arkansas Center for Health Improvement are working with the ADE to

seek funding for the BMI assessment and reporting.

The BMI recording is just a small part of Act 1220, which also

creates a child health advisory board that is charged with combating

childhood obesity. Other issues, such as limiting elementary school

students ' access to vending machines, are also addressed in the new

law.

The new mandate has attracted some parental support.

Jill Flood, a Fayetteville resident and parent of a second-grader at

Happy Hollow Elementary School, said she supported schools

calculating body mass index because of potential health risks

associated with childhood obesity. However, she did not believe the

measurement should be included on a report card, she said. " It is

just a gut feeling that it shouldn't be there. Report cards really

aren't private, " she said.

Several school officials have said they are wary of the mandate,

citing privacy and social stigma concerns.

Farmington Superintendent Ron said recently that measuring

and recording body mass index can create embarrassing situations for

young adults who are already dealing with self-image issues.

Selfesteem and confidence could be damaged at a fragile time, he

said. " I have talked with some of our counselors and they are

concerned because it would be taken at the worst possible time for

this group of kids. Their bodies are changing and they are already

dealing with adolescence and it is just a tough time for them, "

said.

Beth Passmore, Greenland Schools' head nurse, went a step further

with her belief that the new requirement could potentially cause

eating disorders. " There is already evidence of eating disorders in

middle school children here and in the older elementary school

students. Students can be cruel, " she said.

Passmore has been a registered nurse for 15 years, 10 of which were

spent as a school nurse in districts throughout the state. " BMI does

not really provide an accurate picture of a person's health in

regards to weight anyway, " she said, also noting that it would be

impossible for a school to take the measurements that would provide

a complete picture of student health.

According to the CDC, a body mass index measurement is " just one of

many factors " that create a person's health profile. BMI gives no

indication of a child's body fat percentage. According to the CDC's

Web site, a healthy person and an overweight person could have the

same BMI measurement, depending on muscle mass. " I think the

intention of the bill was admirable and there should be concerns

about health issues. However, I am not sure this was the way to have

gone about it, " said, noting that although report cards are

officially considered private documents, they are rarely treated as

such by students.

Some school officials question whether the measurement will help

battle childhood obesity. They argue that parents will already be

aware if their child has a weight problem and that a number listed

on a report card will not give them an understandable factor

concerning their child's health. " We all know about weight. We see

ourselves and our children. I think we can trust parents to make

that decision, " Passmore said.

Local superintendents have fielded few inquiries from parents

regarding the body mass measurement. Madison said she has received

two e-mails with concerns about the issue. Despite the small show of

interest, school officials said they are prepared to field

complaints once the first measurement is posted on report cards. " I

anticipate that once it does come out on a report card there will be

some people who have not heard about this and they will hit the

ceiling when they see it, " said.

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**Sue Madison. " I realize this is seeming

> like a huge invasion of privacy

/////

Uh, yes, it CERTAINLY is!

** I think it takes the role of

> parent and gives it to the school. "

////

And just when have they started to be concerned about THAT?

**Other issues, such as limiting elementary school

> students ' access to vending machines,

/////////////////

So will they be telling parents what they can/cannot pack in their child's

lunch?

** " There is already evidence of eating disorders in

> middle school children here and in the older elementary school

> students. Students can be cruel, "

////////////

Yes, I think this could be devastating to some students. I wasn't a chubby

kid, I just simply starved myself to be thin back then, this would've put me

over the edge I think.

** " We all know about weight. We see ourselves and our children. I think we

can trust parents to make that decision, " Passmore said.

/////////

What? " trust parents to make that decision " wow! this is a shocking

statement. I certainly hope they WOULD since it's THEIR child.

** " I anticipate that once it does come out on a report card there will be

some people who have not heard about this and they will hit the ceiling when

they see it, " said.

//////////

Excuse me? You're going to take and record a child's bmi and the parent

isn't going to know about it until report card time? You can bet the

ceiling being hit isn't the only thing they should be worried about, it's

the FAN!

Gasp! Can you tell I have strong opinions on this one? LOL

Lori NY (who is reminded once again why we homeschool)

Article - Kinda Long!

>

>

> Thought some might find this interesting! Kinda long...delete at

> will!

>

> Reba

>

> ***********************

>

> Student bodies

> BY JENN LONG Northwest Arkansas Times

>

> Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003

>

> With the new school year just days away a new legislative act that

> will require schools to record a student's body mass is attracting

> support and criticism from parents and school officials in

> Washington County.

>

> Passed in April by the Arkansas General Assembly, Act 1220 of 2003

> has only recently become an issue as parents get their children

> prepared for the first day of school Monday.

>

> The law demands that school personnel figure each student's body

> mass index - calculated using a formula that uses height and weight

> and compares it to other children - for inclusion on the student's

> report card each year. Schools are also required to provide

> pamphlets and other materials that explain the health effects of the

> body mass index.

>

> Local state legislators who support the bill contend that the new

> requirement was intended to help battle childhood obesity, which is

> increasingly becoming a health risk in the state and nation,

> according to the United States Center for Disease Control. " We are

> facing a crisis in this country and in Arkansas with obesity, " said

> Arkansas District 7 Sen. Sue Madison. " I realize this is seeming

> like a huge invasion of privacy but there is a concern because of

> the health crisis and to some extent that crisis will be

> [shouldered] by the taxpayers in the future, " she said referring to

> potential long-term health care costs resulting from obesity.

>

> According to the local school health officials, childhood obesity

> can lead to diabetes, sleep apnea, coronary artery disease and

> depression.

>

> Parents and school officials have taken issue with the BMI

> measurement, stating that calculating and recording the body mass

> index goes beyond a school's mission and responsibility. " This has

> absolutely nothing to do with educating my children, " said

> Washington County resident Tyrun Bates, who has three children

> attending Lincoln Public School. " Our schools have enough funding

> problems that we should not spend one dime on something that does

> not have to do with education. "

>

> Prairie Grove Superintendent Tom Louks said the district is prepared

> to implement the new requirement, but will do so with some

> reservations. " We will do it if we are told to do it, " he said. " But

> you can't legislate morality and you can't tell someone they can't

> be fat. It borders on privacy issues. I think it takes the role of

> parent and gives it to the school. "

>

> Implementing the BMI assessment has been put on hold by the Arkansas

> Department of Education until a health advisory committee, also

> created by Act 1220, has developed recommendations for measuring and

> recording BMI.

>

> In a letter to the state's superintendents, ADE Director Ray Simon

> told school officials that the Arkansas Department of Health and the

> Arkansas Center for Health Improvement are working with the ADE to

> seek funding for the BMI assessment and reporting.

>

> The BMI recording is just a small part of Act 1220, which also

> creates a child health advisory board that is charged with combating

> childhood obesity. Other issues, such as limiting elementary school

> students ' access to vending machines, are also addressed in the new

> law.

>

> The new mandate has attracted some parental support.

>

> Jill Flood, a Fayetteville resident and parent of a second-grader at

> Happy Hollow Elementary School, said she supported schools

> calculating body mass index because of potential health risks

> associated with childhood obesity. However, she did not believe the

> measurement should be included on a report card, she said. " It is

> just a gut feeling that it shouldn't be there. Report cards really

> aren't private, " she said.

>

> Several school officials have said they are wary of the mandate,

> citing privacy and social stigma concerns.

>

> Farmington Superintendent Ron said recently that measuring

> and recording body mass index can create embarrassing situations for

> young adults who are already dealing with self-image issues.

> Selfesteem and confidence could be damaged at a fragile time, he

> said. " I have talked with some of our counselors and they are

> concerned because it would be taken at the worst possible time for

> this group of kids. Their bodies are changing and they are already

> dealing with adolescence and it is just a tough time for them, "

> said.

>

> Beth Passmore, Greenland Schools' head nurse, went a step further

> with her belief that the new requirement could potentially cause

> eating disorders. " There is already evidence of eating disorders in

> middle school children here and in the older elementary school

> students. Students can be cruel, " she said.

>

> Passmore has been a registered nurse for 15 years, 10 of which were

> spent as a school nurse in districts throughout the state. " BMI does

> not really provide an accurate picture of a person's health in

> regards to weight anyway, " she said, also noting that it would be

> impossible for a school to take the measurements that would provide

> a complete picture of student health.

>

> According to the CDC, a body mass index measurement is " just one of

> many factors " that create a person's health profile. BMI gives no

> indication of a child's body fat percentage. According to the CDC's

> Web site, a healthy person and an overweight person could have the

> same BMI measurement, depending on muscle mass. " I think the

> intention of the bill was admirable and there should be concerns

> about health issues. However, I am not sure this was the way to have

> gone about it, " said, noting that although report cards are

> officially considered private documents, they are rarely treated as

> such by students.

>

> Some school officials question whether the measurement will help

> battle childhood obesity. They argue that parents will already be

> aware if their child has a weight problem and that a number listed

> on a report card will not give them an understandable factor

> concerning their child's health. " We all know about weight. We see

> ourselves and our children. I think we can trust parents to make

> that decision, " Passmore said.

>

> Local superintendents have fielded few inquiries from parents

> regarding the body mass measurement. Madison said she has received

> two e-mails with concerns about the issue. Despite the small show of

> interest, school officials said they are prepared to field

> complaints once the first measurement is posted on report cards. " I

> anticipate that once it does come out on a report card there will be

> some people who have not heard about this and they will hit the

> ceiling when they see it, " said.

>

>

>

>

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Wellllllllll, someone I know has a son of 18 or so who is pushing 400 lbs.

He has developed secondary gender characteristics, which is pretty bad in

puberty. He just needs to exercise more & quit eating chips, she says.

Um, hello? He might need to do those things and indeed, might drop 40-50#,

but this boy is in serious trouble and mom is on another station in la-la

land, cuz he's gonna outgrow his baby fat.

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> I think most people are aware that they are fat. They do not need a

> tape measure or BMI number to know you are fat. I think this is

> something that will just lead to more problems with eating

> disorders. I have overheard 4 year old children talk about being

> overweight and dieting. I had a pudgy gym teacher tell me one time

> after class that I was overweight. Well Duh! That was kind of

> stating the obvious.

>

> Kathy

>

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In a message dated 9/1/2003 7:29:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, watnext@...

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As others have said, learning good eating habits comes at an early

age from within the home

, If you truly believe that MO is a disease, learning has nothing to do

with it. I have two daughters trained in healthy eating. One can control

her weight because she does not have the disease the other had surgery over a

year ago. I have 1 sister and three bothers all thin to skinny.

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I should have clarified that this would benefit those who have a chance at

controlling their weight early on. A disease is a disease. If we have a

genetic or chemical abnormality, eventually, it will probably rear its ugly

head.

in NJ

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In a message dated 9/1/2003 7:33:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FBayuk writes:

> In a message dated 9/1/2003 7:29:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> watnext@... writes:

>

> >> As others have said, learning good eating habits comes at an early

>> age from within the home

>

> , If you truly believe that MO is a disease, learning has nothing to

> do with it. I have two daughters trained in healthy eating. One can control

> her weight because she does not have the disease the other had surgery over a

> year ago. I have 1 sister and three bothers all thin to skinny.

>

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In a message dated 8/31/03 10:54:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

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> So will they be telling parents what they can/cannot pack in their child's

> lunch?

>

I had this happen to me when my son was in daycare!! There are state laws

regarding certain things that they must feed to the children, even if the parent

is bringing the lunch. I sent my toddler lowfat yogurt, lima beans (go

figure..the kiddo loved them then!), fruit and crackers. I got a nasty letter

saying that I must include a " protein source " in his lunch. I fired back and

told

them that the yogurt and the beans WERE a protein source. They had to call

the state and get the " okay " to count the yogurt as protein. My neighbor, who

sent her kid Vienna sausages and potato chips had a perfectly acceptable,

state sanctioned lunch!

Beth

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Well, as one who went through hell as a fat child, and knowing the

prevalence of eating disorders among teenagers and even pre-teens, my

heart aches for the kids. Putting a BMI on their reports cards is

just cruel and unusual punishment and promoting eating disorders. If

they feel they must tell the parents, then do just that...send

letters out to them, but whatever actions (or lack of) the parents

take will not change by putting these kids emotional wellbeing on the

line. There's absolutely no reason or benefit to placing these

numbers on report cards and, in fact, will almost certainly prove to

be detrimental to the physical and emotional health of these

children, possible forever.

I would raise holy h*ll if my child was in this school district. If

we have had insurance pay for our WLS because we have determined that

we can not lose and keep off weight by traditional methods, then we

have (and our insurance companies) have determined that obesity is a

disease. There is no question that putting a child's BMI on a report

card is no different than putting a diagnosis of cancer or AIDS on

that report card. It is an absolute invasion of privacy. Do they

put a diagnosis of drug or alcohol abuse on report cards? Many

children have serious issues with these diseases, too.

As others have said, learning good eating habits comes at an early

age from within the home. If parents are not prepared to teach their

kids a healthier way to eat, a BMI on a report card certainly won't.

Just my .02,

in NJ

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As a routine part of the health program at my school way back in the dark

ages (1951-52), all first- and second-graders (perhaps older kids, too - I

don't know) had their heights and weights measured and recorded. I still

have my " report card " - in the shape of a milk bottle (yes, children... milk

came in bottles back then, not cartons). I weighed 52# in second grade; I

don't remember how tall I was, but taller than any of the other girls. Back

then, no one had come up with the BMI concept.

We have standards for measuring eyesight (20/20), learning (A,B,C,D),

hearing, etc. We don't think twice about evaluating ourselves and our

children against the " norm " as a way of determining where we may need to pay

more attention or seek help. As long as the measurements are not made public

to the other children, I don't see any problem with this " new " policy. I

don't see any way in the world it can hurt, and it might open *some*

parents' eyes to developing problems before it's too late to correct them.

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> **Sue Madison. " I realize this is seeming

> > like a huge invasion of privacy

> /////

> Uh, yes, it CERTAINLY is!

> ** I think it takes the role of

> > parent and gives it to the school. "

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What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report cards

are permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest of

their lives. How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road?

How would a college or prespective employer use this info? I

believe that letters to a parent would be more realistic.

Reba

> Well, as one who went through hell as a fat child, and knowing the

> prevalence of eating disorders among teenagers and even pre-teens,

my

> heart aches for the kids. Putting a BMI on their reports cards is

> just cruel and unusual punishment and promoting eating disorders.

*********snip*********

> disease. There is no question that putting a child's BMI on a

report

> card is no different than putting a diagnosis of cancer or AIDS on

> that report card. It is an absolute invasion of privacy. Do they

> put a diagnosis of drug or alcohol abuse on report cards? Many

> children have serious issues with these diseases, too.

>

> As others have said, learning good eating habits comes at an early

> age from within the home. If parents are not prepared to teach

their

> kids a healthier way to eat, a BMI on a report card certainly

won't.

>

> Just my .02,

> in NJ

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then that darn FAT gene hit and she unfortunately needs the

surgery. It breaks my heart that she got this from me. You know, she still

cooks healthy

So well put. I remember Erma Bombeck saying " how do you tell a 6 foot tall

well built teenage boy that a bag of potato chips is not a meal. " or something

like that. Turn that around, why does everyone assume a child is fat from

poor parenting or lack of knowledge. In fact I am surprised at some of the

postings today from some members I dearly respect. Of course, that is the

trouble

with e-mail, how you say something is not always read as the writer intended.

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Absolutely! If a child who murders someone can have their record

expunged when they hit 18 years of age, why should some poor

overweight child have this painful disease follow him or her

throughout life? It's disgusting.

in NJ

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> ,

>

> What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report

cards

> are permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest of

> their lives. How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road?

> How would a college or prespective employer use this info? I

> believe that letters to a parent would be more realistic.

>

> Reba

>

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I grew up in the era of the Presidential Physical Fitness testing - it was

humiliating and embarrassing for those of us who were pudgy. I can't

imagine that calculating BMI (which one person in the article noted is not

a completely accurate picture of health anyway) and making it part of their

record is going to do much for self-esteem or health.

I think providing palatable, healthy school lunches instead of the greasy,

starchy fare the kids get now, teaching healthy eating in heath education

classes, and ditching the vending machines full of junk while encouraging

outdoor activities might be a more sensible approach.

Sally

298 (BMI 49)/-136/162

Goal: 145-150ish

lap RNY 7/10/02

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What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report cards are

permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest of their lives.

How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road? How would a college or

prespective employer use this info? I believe that letters to a parent

would be more realistic.

Reba

//////

Good point Reba, not to mention future life/health insurance policies.

Lori NY

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> ,

>

> What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report cards

> are permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest of

> their lives. How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road?

> How would a college or prespective employer use this info? I

> believe that letters to a parent would be more realistic.

>

> Reba

>

>

>

> > Well, as one who went through hell as a fat child, and knowing the

> > prevalence of eating disorders among teenagers and even pre-teens,

> my

> > heart aches for the kids. Putting a BMI on their reports cards is

> > just cruel and unusual punishment and promoting eating disorders.

> *********snip*********

> > disease. There is no question that putting a child's BMI on a

> report

> > card is no different than putting a diagnosis of cancer or AIDS on

> > that report card. It is an absolute invasion of privacy. Do they

> > put a diagnosis of drug or alcohol abuse on report cards? Many

> > children have serious issues with these diseases, too.

> >

> > As others have said, learning good eating habits comes at an early

> > age from within the home. If parents are not prepared to teach

> their

> > kids a healthier way to eat, a BMI on a report card certainly

> won't.

> >

> > Just my .02,

> > in NJ

>

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My Daughter was raised with healthy eating habits. Little to no sugars

allowed in the house, no sugary cereals (unlike her friends). NOT that we

were sugar nazi's ... But our dentist LOVED us. LOL She grew up eating

vegetables that even I didn't like, because I told her....just because I

don't like it doesn't mean YOU won't...so always give it a try and she did.

She rarely used salt (now that is a bit weird LOL) and that was on her own

initiative...I don't use much salt in my cooking and let others season as

they wish. We didn't NOT have cookies or ice cream or the occasional

candy...but it wasn't used as a reward. She was skinny until going through

puberty...then that darn FAT gene hit and she unfortunately needs the

surgery. It breaks my heart that she got this from me. You know, she still

cooks healthy. But, like many of us...that FULL trigger doesn't work. She

exercises (doing 9 flights of stairs in her office building when she arrives

and leaves) and walks with her co-workers at lunch. My heart is just hurting

for her. She isn't happy like she is, but to me she is still beautiful,

still my darling daughter and all I can do is support her in her decisions.

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> What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report

cards are permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest

of their lives. How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road?

How would a college or prespective employer use this info? I believe

that letters to a parent would be more realistic.<<<

This is obviously a topic that has sparked strong emotions. I don't

want to get into the middle of the emotional aspects of having the

BMI calculated and put on report cards, or the invasion of privacy

issue, or whether parent are teaching/feeding their kids correctly.

This is a complex issue where there isn't a simple answer.

Having worked for the school system for years (and years and years!

LOL), I did want to mention, though, that while the report cards may

be a part of someone's permanent record, they cannot be accessed

without permission. And beyond that, colleges and employers are

interested in 1)successful completion of high school, documented by

the diploma, and 2) overall GPA as documented by the final transcript.

On rare occasions, a university or employer with want proof of

success in a specific area, such as science or math, which again is

documented on the final transcript, or participation in various clubs

and service organizations, which aren't noted on the report cards and

are documented in various ways according to high school policy. I

have never heard of a university or employer even requesting to look

at report cards.

The other thing I wanted to comment on is the practicality of doing

this. I have found over the years that issues like this usually

simply die because, whether the are well founded or not, they are not

feasible to carry out on an ongoing basis. Kids get their report

cards several times a year. Are the schools going to be able to

weigh, measure and calculate BMI's for each child for every report

card? Even if it's only once a year, that's a huge undertaking. For

example, there are between 400 and 2500 kids in each of the 40+

schools in our county - and we don't have a huge populace. It would

take forever to get this done. Schools are overwhelmed with just

trying to get the basics in with fewer resources. I would guess that

this is an issue that will die quickly when the politicians see the

reality of what it takes to impliment it.

Again, I just wanted to share my thoughts about the school side of

this issue.

Sheri

In Sunny Florida

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And as you know Fay, you can teach your children what is right and wrong,

good and bad, but once they leave the house.....you just have to hope what

you taught them sticks! I know for a fact that her friends felt sorry for

her that we didn't have ding dongs or candy in the house all the time and

would give this stuff to her. Soda wasn't allowed. Water was good....sugar

free Kool Aid... The OCCASIONAL soft drink was a treat not the usual. I

would find soda cans hidden under her bed. Again her friends were feeling

sorry for her. Then when she got allowances or baby sitting money....I had

no control on how she spent what she didn't save. With those darn soda

machines and stuff at schools...what are you going to do? I tried....shoot I

was always on a diet, her Father was in the Navy so had to maintain his

weight too. I cooked healthy...gained weight...lol but DARN IT.... We ate

nice healthy foods. No frying...I am the queen of baked chicken and fish!

Stir fry....I can do it with little oil (chicken broth works wonders when

stir frying). Tried to use fresh ingredients as much as possible. I

sometimes wonder where I went wrong...but sheesh......I gained on eating

good. My skinny sister who eats JUNK food...WHEN she eats...is a twig and I

ate less then she did! I turned to gourmet cooking, because I wanted GOOD

tasting healthy food. And I gained weight. Husband maintained...daughter did

too (at that time....before puberty), but I gained weight! So, I know it

wasn't my cooking!

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Very interesting point. Not to mention that in some cases ... agreed

probably not most ... there are extenuating circumstances. School districts

often bend over backwards to accommodate those with learning disabilities.

... which opens a whole other can of worms. Could childhood obesity be

considered a disability? If so, than it would be discrimination to have

this noted on a report card. I can see the ACLU having a field day with

this. Especially with the fact that so much in recent studies has been

linking obesity to genetics.

Re: Article - Kinda Long!

> Absolutely! If a child who murders someone can have their record

> expunged when they hit 18 years of age, why should some poor

> overweight child have this painful disease follow him or her

> throughout life? It's disgusting.

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> > What bothers me, along with what you mentioned, is that report

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> > are permanent records. This will follow a person for the rest of

> > their lives. How about trying to get a job 10 yrs down the road?

> > How would a college or prespective employer use this info? I

> > believe that letters to a parent would be more realistic.

> >

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State requirements become a laugh. State funding (or is it federal .. not

sure) in New Jersey has now decided to count ketchup as a vegetable! go

figure. And I wonder how much they will have to pay a supposed expert to

check each child's lunch. When I taught in a public school with many

low-income families who received state subsidized lunches the students often

threw away the apples, celery and carrot sticks, etc. And had the money for

the ice cream and other junk in the vending machines. The ice cream was one

of the allowed junk foods in the vending machines because it has calcium in

the milk. uh huh. yeh sure. They could also buy chips and pretzels and

cookies out of the machines. And drinks filled with sugar.

from NJ

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> In a message dated 8/31/03 10:54:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

> cherish5@... writes:

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> > So will they be telling parents what they can/cannot pack in their

child's

> > lunch?

> >

>

> I had this happen to me when my son was in daycare!! There are state laws

> regarding certain things that they must feed to the children, even if the

parent

> is bringing the lunch. I sent my toddler lowfat yogurt, lima beans (go

> figure..the kiddo loved them then!), fruit and crackers. I got a nasty

letter

> saying that I must include a " protein source " in his lunch. I fired back

and told

> them that the yogurt and the beans WERE a protein source. They had to

call

> the state and get the " okay " to count the yogurt as protein. My neighbor,

who

> sent her kid Vienna sausages and potato chips had a perfectly acceptable,

> state sanctioned lunch!

> Beth

> Houston, TX

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In a message dated 9/1/2003 11:38:35 AM Central Daylight Time,

ladybostons@... writes:

> She exercises (doing 9 flights of stairs in her office building when she

> arrives

> and leaves) and walks with her co-workers at lunch. My heart is just hurting

> for her.

> ----------------------------------

> I have 4 girls. 2 are " normal. " So's their dad. 2 struggle constantly, but

> so far (at 30 and 36) have managed to stay just slightly overweight. But let

> me tell you, they are ALL very vigilant, having watched my own struggle. There

> is not one bite of excess food in their homes--not even the " good " stuff.

> And there are no " goodies. " They don't do sugar or milk except on rare

> occasion. 3 of the 4 are nominal vegetarians but will sometimes eat fish. The

4th

> won't touch red meat but eats lean poultry. They all exercise like fiends.

Every

> single day. Seems like a lot of work and sacrifice to just stay within

> normal or nearly-normal bounds. I feel so sorry for them, even the 2 who take

> after their dad. Bcuz even they watch every bite that goes into their mouths.

It

> just ain't fair and my heart hurts for them bcuz of that. Where is the fun if

> you have to be so obsessed with weight? Once in awhile the 2 with " my " genes

> will balloon up for a time and then my heart is in my mouth till they get a

> grip again bcuz I worry SO that they will end up like their mom. Even WLS did

> not end my struggle bcuz of the relaxed stoma.

>

> Carol A

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Fay, I think you are the queen of the freudian slip! I loved this! In fact,

I have a sister that is a real bother!! LOL!

Hugs~

Jacque

I have 1 sister and three bothers all thin to skinny.

Fay Bayuk

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