Guest guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 > > NOTE: I'm not saying anyone should go on this or that I'm going off SCD or eating anything SCD illegal. I'm also not trying to start a long thread about another diet on this board, but the only way to get an answer to my question is to ask here. > > That said, I wanted to ask if anyone here has done an SCD version of the Budwig diet (anti-cancer diet). I'm having to learn about it now for my Mum (dx with breast cancer on Friday) and I think the only way I'm going to get her to eat that way is if I eat/make/learn about it too. I understand how she feels because I certainly couldn't have started SCD without help. I'm not planning on doing the main part of the BD because it involves SCD illegal but I might do a modified SCD version. I just wanted to know if anyone here is on that diet or has had experience with it and if so I'd really like to talk with you via email. > Thanks, > Stacey > Stacey, I can't see how you could have a problem combining SCD and Budwig. My son's mother-in-law was diagnosed with inoperable/terminal lung cancer. The Oncologist told her there was no point in starting Chemo because she would be dead before it would do any good. She insisted on the Chemo and started the Budwig diet. That was almost five years ago. She has had multiple pet scans, and appears to be cancer free. The doctor wouldn't allow her to have any supplements, but said she wasn't going to worry about what she ate. To the best of my knowledge she ate only organic fruits and vegetables along with the flaxseed oil and cottage cheese. If the cottage cheese is illegal, it may be OK to use the yogurt. Since your mother is not on the strict SCD I would hang with the full diet. The oil with the seed and cottage cheese is the most important part of the diet. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Hey Marilyn, Since when do you have three dogs and not two? Jodi > >I just wanted to know if anyone here is on that > >diet or has had experience with it and if so I'd > >really like to talk with you via email. > > As it happens, I use DCCC and flax oil, and have, > since I got my cancer diagnosis. > > Flax oil is not SCD illegal, but it is often not > recommended because you have to be so careful to get it scrupulously fresh. > > <wry grin> My holistic vet prescribed cottage > cheese and flax oil for my Sunny-girl's heart > murmur, and so, every evening, I fix some DCCC > and flax oil, and hand out bowls to all three > dogs before eating my own. I mean, really! You > don't think Shadow and Babette were going to let > Sunny and me get away with hogging a treat like that, do you? > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Babette the Foundling Beagle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I'm actually thinking about trying to incorporate it into my own diet (using dripped yogurt) since I'm now officially at a higher risk for breast cancer. At the very least it would make my Mum feel better about the protocol and at most it could help me stay cancer-free. Stacey > >I just wanted to know if anyone here is on that > >diet or has had experience with it and if so I'd > >really like to talk with you via email. > > As it happens, I use DCCC and flax oil, and have, > since I got my cancer diagnosis. > > Flax oil is not SCD illegal, but it is often not > recommended because you have to be so careful to get it scrupulously fresh. > > <wry grin> My holistic vet prescribed cottage > cheese and flax oil for my Sunny-girl's heart > murmur, and so, every evening, I fix some DCCC > and flax oil, and hand out bowls to all three > dogs before eating my own. I mean, really! You > don't think Shadow and Babette were going to let > Sunny and me get away with hogging a treat like that, do you? > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Babette the Foundling Beagle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 You might find this interesting: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Thank you...I have watched it. She has other vids and recipes on her site but you have to pay for it :\. I'm hoping I can find other recipes online. Stacey > > You might find this interesting: > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 The Budwig folks (an probably Dr. Budwig herself...but the book hasn't arrived yet) say " ...the omega-3 fatty acids found in flax are not the same as those in fish. Fish oil contains two omega-3 fatty acids known as eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Flaxseed oil, on the other hand, is rich in alpha-linolenic acid, which is the " parent " fatty acid to DHA and EPA. Although similar in structure, the benefits of alpha-linolenic acid, EPA, and DHA are not the same. The body converts alpha-linolenic acid rapidly into EPA, and more slowly into DHA. " So for this particular protocol flax oil has to be the oil used. There's a chance my Mum's cancer has already started shrinking (based on the fact that each time a doc looks at it they give us a smaller measurement...we'll see what happens by the time she has surgery). Stacey > >I'm actually thinking about trying to > >incorporate it into my own diet (using dripped > >yogurt) since I'm now officially at a higher > >risk for breast cancer. At the very least it > >would make my Mum feel better about the protocol > >and at most it could help me stay cancer-free. > > Yep, but also look to fish oils for prevention. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Babette the Foundling Beagle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Wow- this diet is very fascinating to me. My Integrative/Nutrigenomic Doc always told me that our bodies are only able to convert 2% of the ALA to EPA in Flax... how crazy is it that somehow this works with the cottage cheese? I am so happy that this is working for your mom, Stacey. Can't wait to hear how it goes! -Joanna > > >I'm actually thinking about trying to > > >incorporate it into my own diet (using dripped > > >yogurt) since I'm now officially at a higher > > >risk for breast cancer. At the very least it > > >would make my Mum feel better about the protocol > > >and at most it could help me stay cancer-free. > > > > Yep, but also look to fish oils for prevention. > > > > > > — Marilyn > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > No Human Children > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > Babette the Foundling Beagle > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 It is fascinating and confusing as heck how many different opinions there are out there! I am sure there are many foods that complement each other like the flax oil and cottage cheese. I am reading " Food Synergy " right now trying to see if there's anything interesting. Although it's tough to validate a book when they are recommending things like soy products... talk about confusing. Luckily I have 100% faith in SCD all by itself Thanks for that info Marilyn- I never knew about Beta Carotene! -Joanna I never thought about vegetarians not wanting to take fish oils- that would be tough. > >Wow- this diet is very fascinating to me. My > >Integrative/Nutrigenomic Doc always told me that > >our bodies are only able to convert 2% of the > >ALA to EPA in Flax... how crazy is it that > >somehow this works with the cottage cheese? I am > >so happy that this is working for your mom, > >Stacey. Can't wait to hear how it goes! > > It may have something to do with mixing the flax oil with the cottage cheese. > > One book I read on Omega 3s said that flax oil > (and flax seed, which is a problem for us SCDers > because of the high lignins in the seeds, which > can feed bad bacteria) is the best source for Omega 3s. > > However, another book I read said that some > people cannot convert from ALA to DHA and EPA, > and must get it from an animal source. The same > thing can be true of beta carotene (Vitamin A > precursor. Beta carotene has uses in its own > form, and when it's converted to Vitamin A. But > some people can't convert to Vitamin A and must > find a source for both beta carotene and pre-formed Vitamin A. > > You have to keep in mind that in some cases, the > recommendation for flax oil comes from > vegetarians who consider fish oils (or any animal product) bad. > > That said, I do have DCCC and flax oil several times a week. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Babette the Foundling Beagle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Marilyn, do you happen to know how a person can find out if they can't convert beta carotene to vitamin A? I have these awful little red bumps all over my thighs (and less bad on the backs of my arms). I've heard that this can be a sign of not being able to convert beta carotene. Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > >Wow- this diet is very fascinating to me. My > >Integrative/Nutrigenomic Doc always told me that > >our bodies are only able to convert 2% of the > >ALA to EPA in Flax... how crazy is it that > >somehow this works with the cottage cheese? I am > >so happy that this is working for your mom, > >Stacey. Can't wait to hear how it goes! > > It may have something to do with mixing the flax oil with the cottage cheese. > > One book I read on Omega 3s said that flax oil > (and flax seed, which is a problem for us SCDers > because of the high lignins in the seeds, which > can feed bad bacteria) is the best source for Omega 3s. > > However, another book I read said that some > people cannot convert from ALA to DHA and EPA, > and must get it from an animal source. The same > thing can be true of beta carotene (Vitamin A > precursor. Beta carotene has uses in its own > form, and when it's converted to Vitamin A. But > some people can't convert to Vitamin A and must > find a source for both beta carotene and pre-formed Vitamin A. > > You have to keep in mind that in some cases, the > recommendation for flax oil comes from > vegetarians who consider fish oils (or any animal product) bad. > > That said, I do have DCCC and flax oil several times a week. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Babette the Foundling Beagle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hi, If I were you I'd probably try to avoid any cow milk products; if you can find the cheese made with goat or sheep milk, the better. Cow's milk naturally has some growth hormone that can have a growth impact on cancer, lymph nodes and alikes. That was at least the info my doctor gave me. Best luck with your mom. Stay strong! > > >I just wanted to know if anyone here is on that > > >diet or has had experience with it and if so I'd > > >really like to talk with you via email. > > > > As it happens, I use DCCC and flax oil, and have, > > since I got my cancer diagnosis. > > > > Flax oil is not SCD illegal, but it is often not > > recommended because you have to be so careful to get it scrupulously fresh. > > > > <wry grin> My holistic vet prescribed cottage > > cheese and flax oil for my Sunny-girl's heart > > murmur, and so, every evening, I fix some DCCC > > and flax oil, and hand out bowls to all three > > dogs before eating my own. I mean, really! You > > don't think Shadow and Babette were going to let > > Sunny and me get away with hogging a treat like that, do you? > > > > > > — Marilyn > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > No Human Children > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > Babette the Foundling Beagle > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think that the technical name for these bumps is keratosis pilaris. I'm having a little difficulty finding where I read that the inability to convert beta carotene can cause this condition. However, I have found several sites that mention that a vitamin A deficiency can be a cause of these bumps. It makes sense that if you can't convert beta carotene, you might be deficient in vitamin A. This site ( http://www.healthy-vitamins-rx.com/html/beta-carotene.html ) says people with celiac have a hard time converting beta carotene, and that some can't do it at all. And this site ( http://the-medical-dictionary.com/keratomalacia_article_2.htm ) says the reason is that celiac's intestines have a hard time absorbing fat (which is needed for the conversion to vitamin A). That could be a potential source for your friend's problem. Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > > > > > > > > Marilyn, do you happen to know how a person can find out if they can't convert beta carotene to vitamin A? I have these awful little red bumps all over my thighs (and less bad on the backs of my arms). I've heard that this can be a sign of not being able to convert beta carotene. > > > > Holly > > Crohn's > > SCD 12/01/08 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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