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In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:53:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

photog4fun@... writes:

http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

This is the best I have read on statistics. I hope OH puts it on their site.

Fay Bayuk

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Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

You can't look for truth or anything close to it on any page with her name on

it.

Michele B

This was a great read, thanks for sharing!

Sheila in Chgo

=:-)

> Check out this web site for mortality risks for gastric bypass. It

> was written by a San Diego surgeon.

> http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

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Check the links at the bottom of the page.

And always suspect anything that is a free page at netfirms and is anti-WLS.

Michele

Nope, had no idea it had anything to do with her.... I don't see her name

anywhere on

the site.

> Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

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Research the person in question, and you'll understand more than you do now.

She's famous for " creative editing " , yes and outright lying, there's no

guarantee that this doctor or any doctor wrote what is published there. I

didn't

read it, since I don't read anything that carries the WideLoad brand, but

you'll find her lies and distortions are relatively common knowledge around the

internet. She's never had WLS, but do you know she once responded to a WLS poll

and claimed terrible complications...just to skew the results of the poll in a

negative way. She seems to be totally devoid of any morals or ethics. Do

you want to base YOUR research on anything she puts on a webpage? No Thanks.

Michele B

I couldn't agree more -- it's the best, most balanced assessment of the

risks and rewards I've seen to date.

/johnb

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 3:13:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> Check out this web site for mortality risks for gastric bypass. It

> > was written by a San Diego surgeon.

> > http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

>

>

Thank you so much for posting this; it truly was great reading.

Sandy

Boca Raton, FL

postop ~ 03/27/02

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 11:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

chezmich@... writes:

Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

I didn't see the usual Sue stuff here. Are you sure. I felt the article was

very pro surgery and most on the site.

Fay Bayuk

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> > Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

> > You can't look for truth or anything close to it on any page with her name

on

> > > http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

Hm, I wouldn't have known either, but if you back up to the netfirms.com portion

of the URL, you go to a mostly anti-weight loss surgery page -- all the horror

stories, very few successes.

Oddly, I thought Dr. 's article was pretty balanced. The mortality rate is

indeed that high (as it is for most surgeries of any type), and the reasons for

not having the surgery are as important to take into consideration as the

reasons for having it. I don't think his article would scare anyone off from

having the surgery if they were determined to do so, but it would give them some

food for thought before jumping into something that alters life forever.

I wouldn't say there is nothing close to the truth on this particular section of

the website. On the contrary, this is one of the few pages that don't skew the

results one direction or another. Dr. would be shooting himself in the

foot to discourage *everyone* from having WLS, since it's a major portion of his

practice, but on the other hand, if he's a doctor who cares, he doesn't want to

be cutting just anyone without knowing they are well informed about all the pros

and cons.

~~ Lyn G

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Sorry , don't have any chip. <G> Sue-Wide-Load's antics are legend,

and if you don't know about them, you'll find out...sadly. Nothing damages my

credibility, the truth always wins. However, defending her could well put your

credibility in question, if that concerns you. And , you're better than

that.

Michele

I don't LIKE her, not in the

slightest, nor do I think she's always an ethical person, but calling

her derogatory names reduces YOUR credibility. I know about the chip on

HER shoulder, but what's the one on your shoulder like?

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I couldn't agree more -- it's the best, most balanced assessment of the

risks and rewards I've seen to date.

/johnb

>>> Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

>>> You can't look for truth or anything close to it on any page with

>>> her name on

>

>>>> http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

>

> Hm, I wouldn't have known either, but if you back up to the

> netfirms.com portion of the URL, you go to a mostly anti-weight loss

> surgery page -- all the horror stories, very few successes.

>

> Oddly, I thought Dr. 's article was pretty balanced. The

> mortality rate is indeed that high (as it is for most surgeries of any

> type), and the reasons for not having the surgery are as important to

> take into consideration as the reasons for having it. I don't think

> his article would scare anyone off from having the surgery if they

> were determined to do so, but it would give them some food for thought

> before jumping into something that alters life forever.

>

> I wouldn't say there is nothing close to the truth on this particular

> section of the website. On the contrary, this is one of the few pages

> that don't skew the results one direction or another. Dr. would

> be shooting himself in the foot to discourage *everyone* from having

> WLS, since it's a major portion of his practice, but on the other

> hand, if he's a doctor who cares, he doesn't want to be cutting just

> anyone without knowing they are well informed about all the pros and

> cons.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 5:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

chezmich@... writes:

Sorry , don't have any chip. <G> Sue-Wide-Load's antics are legend,

and if you don't know about them, you'll find out...sadly. Nothing damages

my

credibility, the truth always wins. However, defending her could well put

your

credibility in question, if that concerns you. And , you're better than

that.

No more. Now post to each other. I like and respect both of you, but now it

is getting personal.

Fay Bayuk

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Who or what is Sue Wide-Load?

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> Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

> You can't look for truth or anything close to it on any page with her name

on

> it.

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I wasn't aware of it either. But, I didn't think it was anti-WLS, I

thought it was realistic and honest.

in NJ

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> Check the links at the bottom of the page.

> And always suspect anything that is a free page at netfirms and is

anti-WLS.

> Michele

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You know, I am glad that this was posted, but I am disturbed at the

disrespect shown to Sue Widemark. I don't LIKE her, not in the

slightest, nor do I think she's always an ethical person, but calling

her derogatory names reduces YOUR credibility. I know about the chip on

HER shoulder, but what's the one on your shoulder like?

I agree with Fay; much of the information on this website is positive

about the surgery; some of it offers perfectly reasonable considerations

and concerns, and some of it is anti-surgery, generally from people who

have experienced severe complications. While I don't enjoy reading those

stories, I think silencing those people or hiding that information from

pre-ops is a bad thing. Life after RNY is not magically completely

improved as some people like to project. Do I agree with SueW's methods

and her attempt to dissuade people who might be helped by WLS from

having surgery? No. Do I agree with her that staying morbidly obese

isn't that big a deal, or a big health risk? No. Is the information on

that site automatically bad because of how it was compiled? No.

Intelligent people can read everything that they find about WLS and make

their own choices. Trust them. It's their life, not yours.

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

310/126/142 (goal was 160)

http://www.ziobro.us/index.html

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 11:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

chezmich@... writes:

Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

I didn't see the usual Sue stuff here. Are you sure. I felt the

article was very pro surgery and most on the site.

Fay Bayuk

**300/166

10/23/01

Dr.

Open RNY 150 cm

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http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

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Thank you . Well said.

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>

> In a message dated 9/9/2003 11:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> chezmich@... writes:

> Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

> I didn't see the usual Sue stuff here. Are you sure. I felt the

> article was very pro surgery and most on the site.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> **300/166

> 10/23/01

> Dr.

> Open RNY 150 cm

> Click for My Profile

> http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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hear, hear!

And I didn't make the connection widemark=wideload anyway.

But now that it's been pointed out: I've been the victim of that kind

of ridicule all my life and don't need to see it on this forum.

/johnb

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Ziobro wrote:

> You know, I am glad that this was posted, but I am disturbed at the

> disrespect shown to Sue Widemark. I don't LIKE her, not in the

> slightest, nor do I think she's always an ethical person, but calling

> her derogatory names reduces YOUR credibility. I know about the chip on

> HER shoulder, but what's the one on your shoulder like?

>

> I agree with Fay; much of the information on this website is positive

> about the surgery; some of it offers perfectly reasonable

> considerations

> and concerns, and some of it is anti-surgery, generally from people who

> have experienced severe complications. While I don't enjoy reading

> those

> stories, I think silencing those people or hiding that information from

> pre-ops is a bad thing. Life after RNY is not magically completely

> improved as some people like to project. Do I agree with SueW's methods

> and her attempt to dissuade people who might be helped by WLS from

> having surgery? No. Do I agree with her that staying morbidly obese

> isn't that big a deal, or a big health risk? No. Is the information on

> that site automatically bad because of how it was compiled? No.

> Intelligent people can read everything that they find about WLS and

> make

> their own choices. Trust them. It's their life, not yours.

>

> Z

> Open RNY 09/17/01

> 310/126/142 (goal was 160)

> http://www.ziobro.us/index.html

>

> Re: Re: Mortality WLS risk

>

> In a message dated 9/9/2003 11:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> chezmich@... writes:

> Don't any of you know that's a Sue-Wide-Load site?

> I didn't see the usual Sue stuff here. Are you sure. I felt the

> article was very pro surgery and most on the site.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> **300/166

> 10/23/01

> Dr.

> Open RNY 150 cm

> Click for My Profile

> http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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