RE: Digest Number 2516

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Everytime I went to the ER with pain or to my doctor's office I was sent for

a CT scan and it always came back showing nothing wrong. If your having pain

or any symptoms keep telling them until they do something. Some kinds of

hernias won't show up on a CT scan. I had a fever and pain and finally got a

doctor to believe something was wrong. The infection was so bad that they took

out my sternup, part of the bone in my chest, the infected mesh, a lot of

infected tissue. And my intestines were twisted. They said there was so much

infection. I had been telling the doctors I was hurting. They say because I

have

had so much trouble I can't have any TT or other surgeries. The mesh that's

in there makes my stomach stick out so I'll never have a flat stomach.

I went to my infectious doctor today and he cut my antibiotic to one oral

pill a day indefinitely. I may have to take an antibiotic for another year. He

said since I've had the old mesh replaced with new mesh so many times it will

carry bacteria which will lead to infection.

I think I've told you my story before. Love, Sharon

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In a message dated 8/28/2003 8:39:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dollgirl48@... writes:

I think I've told you my story before. Love, Sharon

I think you should keep on telling it as we need reminders to be persistent

since it is our lives that are at stake.

Thank you.

Fay Bayuk

**300/166

10/23/01

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Open RNY 150 cm

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In a message dated 8/28/2003 3:42:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> Message: 22

> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:37 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Veteran post-ops ... REALLY LONG-TERM POST-OPS

>

> Mine was staple line disruption. Very common among us oldies

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

I am doing catchup reading this morning, so I hope I am not asking a question

that has already been asked .... HOW does one get staple line disruption?

Overeating?? Drinking with eating?? Just bad luck???

How aweful was the revision procedure for you? Was it similar surgically to

the original wls ? Was it as risky/complicated/etc. (same percentage of)?

What physical manifestations did you have at the time that suggested to you

there might be a problem with your pouch?

Do I sound paranoid??? (I can answer this --- YES!)

Thanks for your patience!

Lucille

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 12:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ladybostons@... writes:

> Stapling line disruptions are a mechanical failure. NOT something you DO to

> yourself. I also had a staple line disruption. Symptoms were being able to

> eat more, a return of gastric reflux, weight gain (in my case...67

> pounds!)...and a WHOLE lot of denial! I blamed myself...yet I KNEW

> better....but...I was also going through knee replacements at the time and

> just could only deal with so many things at one time. The revision was

> risky. I think it is about the same as the original RNY...or at least the

> same as ANY major surgery, but my recovery was faster and the pain was less.

> The hard part was being compliant about eating. LOL Hated going back to the

> 8 weeks of pureed foods. But, I was definitely up and around a whole lot

> faster. Now, I just need 5 darn pounds to get BELOW 200 which is where I

> have NEVER been! My revision was 2 1/2 years ago. My original RNY was Jan.

> 1999.

>

> Debbie

Thanks Debbie! I appreciate your explanation very much. I hope my

questions didn't suggest that I was implying fault to the patient re:

revisions,

but as someone who occassionally slips up when it comes to drinking too soon

after eating, I was wondering. Besides, I have mild, probably irrational,

anxiety about doing " something " stupid and " ruining " the surgery. Here's a

funny story to illustrate: when I was about 2 or 3 months postop, I started

having major stomach discomfort, very different from what I had felt from my

post-surgical ulcer. I couldn't eat, I felt miserable 24/7, and then I got

nuts.

I became convinced that I had ripped out my staples from lifting and

moving a very heavy table by myself. I kept what I was convinced was my

impending

death from my husband until we were sitting in the GI's office as we waited

for my endoscopy (I " knew " hubby would yell about my furniture re-arranging,

but he didn't and just chastized me for keeping my fear to myself for 2 weeks.)

Long story short: I informed my GI that I had ripped out my staples, I

informed Dr. Gagner that I had ripped out my staples, and not surprisingly they

each looked at me with what can only be described as barely controlled

laughter. Of course, this was impossible to do (ripping out my staples), and

it

turned out, after having a CT scan performed, that I wasn't tolerating the iron

supplementation, which happens from time to time per Dr. Gagner. Went off

the iron for a very short time till things internally calmed down, trialed and

errored until I found a type and dosage of iron that didn't make me miserable,

and resolved not to move around any pianos " just in case. " So obvioiusly,

somewhere way in the back of my mind, there resides a little crazy person who is

convinced she can rip out her staples, maybe not by lifting and moving

furniture, but by some other nefarious means.

Please bear with me, I am not always a nutcase!

Thanks again,

Lucille

[Guest guest]

Stapling line disruptions are a mechanical failure. NOT something you DO to

yourself. I also had a staple line disruption. Symptoms were being able to

eat more, a return of gastric reflux, weight gain (in my case...67

pounds!)...and a WHOLE lot of denial! I blamed myself...yet I KNEW

better....but...I was also going through knee replacements at the time and

just could only deal with so many things at one time. The revision was

risky. I think it is about the same as the original RNY...or at least the

same as ANY major surgery, but my recovery was faster and the pain was less.

The hard part was being compliant about eating. LOL Hated going back to the

8 weeks of pureed foods. But, I was definitely up and around a whole lot

faster. Now, I just need 5 darn pounds to get BELOW 200 which is where I

have NEVER been! My revision was 2 1/2 years ago. My original RNY was Jan.

1999.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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From: DisDog@...

I am doing catchup reading this morning, so I hope I am not asking a

question

that has already been asked .... HOW does one get staple line disruption?

Overeating?? Drinking with eating?? Just bad luck???

How aweful was the revision procedure for you? Was it similar surgically

to

the original wls ? Was it as risky/complicated/etc. (same percentage of)?

What physical manifestations did you have at the time that suggested to you

there might be a problem with your pouch?

Do I sound paranoid??? (I can answer this --- YES!)

Thanks for your patience!

Lucille

[Guest guest]

Amen. Ditto.

We are a population who is quite adept t blaming ourselves for everything.

We can hook anything to us, because our parents/friends/docs have done an

excellent training job on fat folks.

Did you know that I am single mouthedly responsible for the horrible famine

in Bangladesh? I ate all their food myself. Personally.

Still do. But in 4 oz increments now. But they're still hungry and I am not.

Logical, yes?

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

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Re: Digest Number 2516

> In a message dated 8/30/2003 12:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ladybostons@... writes:

>

>

> > Stapling line disruptions are a mechanical failure. NOT something you DO

to

> > yourself. I also had a staple line disruption. Symptoms were being able

to

> > eat more, a return of gastric reflux, weight gain (in my case...67

> > pounds!)...and a WHOLE lot of denial! I blamed myself...yet I KNEW

> > better....but...I was also going through knee replacements at the time

and

> > just could only deal with so many things at one time. The revision was

> > risky. I think it is about the same as the original RNY...or at least

the

> > same as ANY major surgery, but my recovery was faster and the pain was

less.

> > The hard part was being compliant about eating. LOL Hated going back to

the

> > 8 weeks of pureed foods. But, I was definitely up and around a whole lot

> > faster. Now, I just need 5 darn pounds to get BELOW 200 which is where I

> > have NEVER been! My revision was 2 1/2 years ago. My original RNY was

Jan.

> > 1999.

> >

> > Debbie

>

> Thanks Debbie! I appreciate your explanation very much. I hope my

> questions didn't suggest that I was implying fault to the patient re:

revisions,

> but as someone who occassionally slips up when it comes to drinking too

soon

> after eating, I was wondering. Besides, I have mild, probably

irrational,

> anxiety about doing " something " stupid and " ruining " the surgery.

Here's a

> funny story to illustrate: when I was about 2 or 3 months postop, I

started

> having major stomach discomfort, very different from what I had felt from

my

> post-surgical ulcer. I couldn't eat, I felt miserable 24/7, and then I

got nuts.

> I became convinced that I had ripped out my staples from lifting and

> moving a very heavy table by myself. I kept what I was convinced was my

impending

> death from my husband until we were sitting in the GI's office as we

waited

> for my endoscopy (I " knew " hubby would yell about my furniture

re-arranging,

> but he didn't and just chastized me for keeping my fear to myself for 2

weeks.)

> Long story short: I informed my GI that I had ripped out my staples, I

> informed Dr. Gagner that I had ripped out my staples, and not surprisingly

they

> each looked at me with what can only be described as barely controlled

> laughter. Of course, this was impossible to do (ripping out my

staples), and it

> turned out, after having a CT scan performed, that I wasn't tolerating the

iron

> supplementation, which happens from time to time per Dr. Gagner. Went

off

> the iron for a very short time till things internally calmed down, trialed

and

> errored until I found a type and dosage of iron that didn't make me

miserable,

> and resolved not to move around any pianos " just in case. " So

obvioiusly,

> somewhere way in the back of my mind, there resides a little crazy person

who is

> convinced she can rip out her staples, maybe not by lifting and moving

> furniture, but by some other nefarious means.

>

> Please bear with me, I am not always a nutcase!

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Mine was staple line disruption. Very common among us oldies

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > Vitalady, Inc. T

> > www.vitalady.com

> >

>

> I am doing catchup reading this morning, so I hope I am not asking a

question

> that has already been asked .... HOW does one get staple line disruption?

> Overeating?? Drinking with eating?? Just bad luck???

*********** the body rejects the staples. In fact, a stapler mfr was

expaling how pressure builds up in the old stomach and backpressure causes

the SL to disrupt from the bottom up. Longer story than that, but I always

knew it was much like a flat tire. It happens. That's all. Yu can't out eat

it, undereat it, burst it or any such thing by will. Car accident or

something, yes. But no, you can't behaviorally break it down.

>

> How aweful was the revision procedure for you?

******** walk in the park, except for the 6 weeks of naps. I was 100 X

healtheir than originally, was only 12# over goal wt, had pre-loaded protein

and vites.

Was it similar surgically to

> the original wls ?

************ yes, just a repair, though inside. Outside felt the same, but

*I* was in better shape

Was it as risky/complicated/etc. (same percentage of)?

********** leak is triple the risk of original

> What physical manifestations did you have at the time that suggested to

you

> there might be a problem with your pouch?

********* for 5 yrs I had no reflux or acid, then I did. Like a geyser.

Which then caused the chain reaction of nausea, marginal ulcer, and as the

sl unzipped, more acid, etc.

>

> Do I sound paranoid??? (I can answer this --- YES!)

********** aren't we all? There is no FAULT in this one, or a stretched (I

prefer RELAXED) stoma, or a relaxed pouch, or a ring/band that erodes or,

or, or......... There are a whole lot of mechanical failures for which we

are not responsible and cannot control. WE can control suugar, grazing and

protein intake. That's about it.

>

> Thanks for your patience!

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lucille, Don't worry..... I knew you weren't implying fault. We are BIG into

blaming ourselves for everything. I was BIG into denial! Ask The Vita

Gal....she was there when I was going through it. She knew....she knew, I

knew....but that I wasn't ready to admit it. When it FINALLY hurt so bad I

couldn't ignore things...well, I went and got fixed. Been NEW and IMPROVED

for 2 1/2 years now. I get " twinges " now and then and start thinking...is

this the twisted intestines others have talked about? OR....has my hiatle

hernia come back....there are always things lurking in the back of my

mind....WHAT else can go wrong? LOL I am not a hypochondriac...but I do have

an anxiety disorder. LOL

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

-----Original Message-----

From: DisDog@...

Thanks Debbie! I appreciate your explanation very much. I hope my

questions didn't suggest that I was implying fault to the patient re:

revisions, but as someone who occassionally slips up when it comes to

drinking too soon after eating, I was wondering. Besides, I have mild,

probably irrational, anxiety about doing " something " stupid and " ruining "

the surgery. Here's a funny story to illustrate: when I was about 2 or

3 months postop, I started having major stomach discomfort, very different

from what I had felt from my post-surgical ulcer. I couldn't eat, I felt

miserable 24/7, and then I got nuts. I became convinced that I had ripped

out my staples from lifting and moving a very heavy table by myself. I

kept what I was convinced was my impending death from my husband until we

were sitting in the GI's office as we waited for my endoscopy (I " knew "

hubby would yell about my furniture re-arranging, but he didn't and just

chastized me for keeping my fear to myself for 2 weeks.) Long story short:

I informed my GI that I had ripped out my staples, I informed Dr. Gagner

that I had ripped out my staples, and not surprisingly they each looked at

me with what can only be described as barely controlled laughter. Of

course, this was impossible to do (ripping out my staples), and it turned

out, after having a CT scan performed, that I wasn't tolerating the iron

supplementation, which happens from time to time per Dr. Gagner. Went off

the iron for a very short time till things internally calmed down, trialed

and errored until I found a type and dosage of iron that didn't make me

miserable, and resolved not to move around any pianos " just in case. " So

obvioiusly, somewhere way in the back of my mind, there resides a little

crazy person who is convinced she can rip out her staples, maybe not by

lifting and moving furniture, but by some other nefarious means.

Please bear with me, I am not always a nutcase!

Thanks again,

Lucille